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After seeing this post, do you still think the notch interferes with video?

  • No. This post convinced me that video on the iPhone X is just fine.

  • No. I've always thought video on the iPhone X was fine.

  • Yes. I still think video on the iPhone X is a problem. (please say why)


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Hello fellow Macrumors members.

I continue to see the same old argument regarding why the iPhone X's notch is terrible. The argument goes like this:

When you play video in "fullscreen" on the iPhone X, the notch cuts into the side of the video thus losing that portion of the video due to the notch.


I put quotation marks around the word "fullscreen" in the argument because fullscreen usually refers to a video being played to fit to the screen it is being played on i.e maximise the size of the video without losing any pixels, whereas what they mean in the argument is immersive fullscreen or zooming-in-to-fill

I thought it was a terrible argument and decided to do some maths and a little photoshop to show you why.

(please ignore the fact that the top and bottom red bars are not equal in height, it doesn't change any of the numbers or arguments in this post)


iphone_XLandscape_Video.jpg


As you can see, playing any video in fullscreen on a device that does not follow the native aspect ratio of said video will automatically cause the video to be cut off at the top and bottom or left and right of the video depending on the ratio difference. I understand that this notch only adds to the amount of pixels lost, but you're already losing 18.346% alone from the top and bottom of the video, what is an extra 1.648%? Also, since it's scaled up, it is bound to not look as good as its native resolution.

In the case of the iPhone X I see no reason why anyone would want to zoom-in-to-fill the screen with their videos, especially considering they would lose 20% of the video and the fact that the iPhone X can play 16:9 video natively in full resolution (1920x1080), hell, it would even play 2:1 videos natively with 0% loss in pixels natively (2160x1080).

I think Apple actually thought the iPhone X's display's aspect ratio through very well. Allowing even 2:1 video to be played fully without losing any pixels, not even to the rounded corners of the display.

What do you think? If you find any incorrect calculations in my image, please let me know.
 
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Jetcat3

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Nice job! It is pretty interesting how nice the 19.5:9 aspect ratio has turned out. I’m only a little disappointed that the 16:9 videos are only 5” diagonal on the X. The iPhone X Plus will be 16:9 at 5.53” diagonal matching the 8 Plus for area so that will be nice.

I think 18:9 is my favorite aspect ratio for the iPhone X as the notch doesn’t interfere at all and that aspect ratio looks great.
 

Shanghaichica

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Apr 8, 2013
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I don’t like it but it’s obviously not a deal breaker for me as I have the X and I’m very happy with it. When I get the X plus it won’t be an issue.
 

FFR

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Nice job! It is pretty interesting how nice the 19.5:9 aspect ratio has turned out. I’m only a little disappointed that the 16:9 videos are only 5” diagonal on the X. The iPhone X Plus will be 16:9 at 5.53” diagonal matching the 8 Plus for area so that will be nice.

I think 18:9 is my favorite aspect ratio for the iPhone X as the notch doesn’t interfere at all and that aspect ratio looks great.

Can’t wait for the iPhone X plus.

Op thanks for doing the work.
 

The Game 161

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Dec 15, 2010
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I’m fine with it personally..like watching videos with the notch than not have it full screen.
 

MEJHarrison

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That for the great explanation! I've brought this same point up before, but without the numbers to back it all up. It's nice to see someone went to the effort to make it so clear. Nice visual aids too.

If you're looking for another topic :D, how about screen size, screen distance and field of view. That's the other one that gets under my skin. The old "That screen is too small to watch video on" argument. A small screen (phone, table) at a short distance can effectively be the "same size" as a large screen (big tv) at a large distance. Some people don't grasp that concept.
 
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Ralfi

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Hello fellow Macrumors members.

I continue to see the same old argument regarding why the iPhone X's notch is terrible. The argument goes like this:

When you play video in "fullscreen" on the iPhone X, the notch cuts into the side of the video thus losing that portion of the video due to the notch.


I put quotation marks around the word "fullscreen" in the argument because fullscreen usually refers to a video being played to fit to the screen it is being played on i.e maximise the size of the video without losing any pixels, whereas what they mean in the argument is immersive fullscreen or zooming-in-to-fill

I thought it was a terrible argument and decided to do some maths and a little photoshop to show you why.

(please ignore the fact that the top and bottom red bars are not equal in height, it doesn't change any of the numbers or arguments in this post)


iphone_XLandscape_Video.jpg


As you can see, playing any video in fullscreen on a device that does not follow the native aspect ratio of said video will automatically cause the video to be cut off at the top and bottom or left and right of the video depending on the ratio difference. I understand that this notch only adds to the amount of pixels lost, but you're already losing 18.346% alone from the top and bottom of the video, what is an extra 1.648%? Also, since it's scaled up, it is bound to not look as good as its native resolution.

In the case of the iPhone X I see no reason why anyone would want to zoom-in-to-fill the screen with their videos, especially considering they would lose 20% of the video and the fact that the iPhone X can play 16:9 video natively in full resolution (1920x1080), hell, it would even play 2:1 videos natively with 0% loss in pixels natively (2160x1080).

I think Apple actually thought the iPhone X's display's aspect ratio through very well. Allowing even 2:1 video to be played fully without losing any pixels, not even to the rounded corners of the display.

What do you think? If you find any incorrect calculations in my image, please let me know.
Good work.

I've always watched my videos without zooming as the picture lost along all four edges is the largest hindrance to enjoying the video.

I'd love an X-styled iPhone that natively displayed 16:9 video in full screen, even if the notch were the only blockage, as for me personally, I'm only watching Youtube on my phone & won't mind the notch encroaching.

But to achieve that - & thanks for depicting it - the phone would have to be so wide that it may be impractical to carry?

Fair to say the X-Plus (or even the 6.1") coming out later this year still won't be able to display 16:9 content natively on full screen? Not sure of its resolution are we??
 
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Techman82

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Guys it's becoming an annoyance, these stretched screens, all the manufacturers are doing it now, Samsung started all this trend with manufacturers, it wasn't customers that wanted it, what gets me is why did they think that this was better, just to say a phone has a bigger screen at the cost of stupid non standard aspect ratios, everyone was happy with the 16:9 aspect ratio, why couldn't they (all manufacturers) just make a bloody phone smaller around the standard 16:9 aspect ratio, that's what people wanted, right?
 

RicoRich196

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Apr 28, 2011
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When I watch videos in zoom-to-fill the notch/rounded corners make it feel more immersive. Also possible unintended result but the notch is a pretty good spot to hold the phone when watching videos in landscape.
 
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The-Real-Deal82

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Do people really watch videos on such tiny screens? Seems incredibly bizarre to me!

I would say the vast majority of smartphone users watch YouTube vids or those within social media on their tiny screens. When you consider you watch TV from around 12 foot from your TV set, holding a small screen a few inches from your face isn’t that bizarre.

I watched the World Cup final on my iPhone 6S the other week while I was working because it was convenient. Smartphones are designed for media consumption too.
 

mrochester

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Man, i'm on the go most days. My phone's with me all the time. If i've got a video to watch (most likely YT), that's what a decent smartphone's there for.

Interesting question into human behaviour, but when do you ever have a video that you can’t wait to watch on a more appropriate screen at a later time?
 

Shanghaichica

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Interesting question into human behaviour, but when do you ever have a video that you can’t wait to watch on a more appropriate screen at a later time?
My commute to work on the train. I usually take an iPad with me but sometimes it’s really busy so it’s not the comfortable to pull out my iPad so I’ll just use my iPhone.
 

Shanghaichica

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I’d be looking out the window enjoying the world going by!
Nothing exciting to see on my commute just empty fields but once you’ve seen the journey a few times it gets boring. I do different things though. Sometimes I sleep, sometimes I read, sometimes I surf the web, sometimes I watch videos.
 

mrochester

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Nothing exciting to see on my commute just empty fields but once you’ve seen the journey a few times it gets boring. I do different things though. Sometimes I sleep, sometimes I read, sometimes I surf the web, sometimes I watch videos.

I’m so glad my commute is a 10 minute bike ride or 6 minute drive.
 
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