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Other than the obvious complaint about the idiocy of the 3 year lease, which has all of the worst features of a subscription with none of the benefits, here are some of my other observations.

Even though it was a 20 generation jump over the version I use in Snow Leopard, most of the essential features work the same and are easy to find.

Missing and missed is the 'Color Variations' feature. This provided an easy way to deal with crossover. In the later versions you may be able to solve crossover by playing with HSL, but more likely you will need to select the deep shadows and do a levels change on only that portion of the photo.

Still no multi channel curves which would give on an alternative approach to crossover.

A couple of irritants. Somehow going from 32bit-4core to 64bit-gads-of-cores Adobe managed to introduce a slight lag when making adjustments in Levels and HSL. This can really slow things down when you have to wait a couple of seconds to determine where an adjustment landed. Typically I will go down, up and back down through Levels channels making as many as half a dozen changes on any one channel. So a 15 second tweak can now take a couple of minutes.

Another irritant is the tool control bar. It takes up valuable real-estate at the bottom of the display and will more than double in height without either reason or request. The crop tool will often arbitrarily try to pick a crop, usually neither an aspect ratio or area I am interested in. I am guessing this is some sort of Anti-Intelligence feature.

Now this is installed on our second computer, it's used mainly for internet and email browsing. It's there so my wife has a reasonably familiar photo editor without moving over to our older computer. I had Elements set-up in my profile and her profile. I then needed to use it in a test profile so I could do some comparisons. Adobe killed Elements in both of the other profiles. Did not tell me it was doing that nor did it offer me a choice of removing Elements from just one profile. Literally only one of us can use it at a time, but Adobe chose to limit its use to only 2 profiles on the same computer.
 
Have you ever considered the PS Elements plugin ElementsXXL? It will extend Elements with loads of new features that are usually reserved for Photoshop users. Might be worth a look.

 
Other than the obvious complaint about the idiocy of the 3 year lease, which has all of the worst features of a subscription with none of the benefits, here are some of my other observations.

Even though it was a 20 generation jump over the version I use in Snow Leopard, most of the essential features work the same and are easy to find.

Missing and missed is the 'Color Variations' feature. This provided an easy way to deal with crossover. In the later versions you may be able to solve crossover by playing with HSL, but more likely you will need to select the deep shadows and do a levels change on only that portion of the photo.

Still no multi channel curves which would give on an alternative approach to crossover.

A couple of irritants. Somehow going from 32bit-4core to 64bit-gads-of-cores Adobe managed to introduce a slight lag when making adjustments in Levels and HSL. This can really slow things down when you have to wait a couple of seconds to determine where an adjustment landed. Typically I will go down, up and back down through Levels channels making as many as half a dozen changes on any one channel. So a 15 second tweak can now take a couple of minutes.

Another irritant is the tool control bar. It takes up valuable real-estate at the bottom of the display and will more than double in height without either reason or request. The crop tool will often arbitrarily try to pick a crop, usually neither an aspect ratio or area I am interested in. I am guessing this is some sort of Anti-Intelligence feature.

Now this is installed on our second computer, it's used mainly for internet and email browsing. It's there so my wife has a reasonably familiar photo editor without moving over to our older computer. I had Elements set-up in my profile and her profile. I then needed to use it in a test profile so I could do some comparisons. Adobe killed Elements in both of the other profiles. Did not tell me it was doing that nor did it offer me a choice of removing Elements from just one profile. Literally only one of us can use it at a time, but Adobe chose to limit its use to only 2 profiles on the same computer.
I use the full LR version and the lag is terrible. But I think it’s because of my 2018 Mac Mini. Due an upgrade this year.
 
I use the full LR version and the lag is terrible. But I think it’s because of my 2018 Mac Mini. Due an upgrade this year.
Point is an older versions is lag free, on my MacPro4,1, running 32bit in Snow Leopard. My brand new Mac mini with 16GBs RAM and 10 cores running at 64bits is showing enough lag to be irritating. That's a lot of backsliding in the past 17 years.

NOTE: I have disabled all of the AI feedback, so it is the app itself that is the problem.
 
A couple of irritants. Somehow going from 32bit-4core to 64bit-gads-of-cores Adobe managed to introduce a slight lag when making adjustments in Levels and HSL. This can really slow things down when you have to wait a couple of seconds to determine where an adjustment landed. Typically I will go down, up and back down through Levels channels making as many as half a dozen changes on any one channel. So a 15 second tweak can now take a couple of minutes.

A lagging Levels or Curves would absolutely kill my workflow... I can't imagine having to wait seconds for the adjustment to update. :eek:

Have you ever tried PhotoLine? It's more complex (on the level of Photoshop), but it responds snappy and quick - even on older machines.
 
I am curious as to the cost of PE versus Affinity Photo (what I use); is there a trick to seeing their costs in the App Store without clicking the "Get" button?
 
If there is I haven't found it, but for Elements you can get the current price from Adobe's site.
With Elements keep your eyes on the site and it's sometimes available with a big discount. I paid $99CDN for Elements (discounted), I think Affinity Photo2 is $79CDN again watch for discounts. Affinity is yours for as long as your current computer supports it. Elements is that ridiculous 3 yr 'lease'.

Pixelmator is also 79$ CDN, again yours as long as it works with your current computer. As it's now under the Apple umbrella I would not expect any discounts.

Honestly if Affinity does everything you need I would not even consider Elements. I also have AffinityPhoto 1 and have found the selection tools a bit weaker than PS Elements. Text tools are also weaker. Other than that I am comfortable in either. I do find Affinity's curves tool somewhat trickier to use than apps like Acorn8 or even PhotoLine.

Acorn8 is so cheap I keep it around just because I find it so easy to use, but you'd almost certainly want some other app as well.
 
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A lagging Levels or Curves would absolutely kill my workflow... I can't imagine having to wait seconds for the adjustment to update. :eek:

Have you ever tried PhotoLine? It's more complex (on the level of Photoshop), but it responds snappy and quick - even on older machines.
I am currently testing PhotoLines, relatively poor English documentation has slowed down exploring some of its potential considerably. Unfortunately that is my wifes computer so I have maybe an hour per day where ambient light is not an issue.
 
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Should add this to my 'bonkers' list. Elements contains an entire regiment of self contained fonts. Thankfully they don't show in other applications. Still the result is the Font pallet in Elements is obscenely bloated.
 
Should add this to my 'bonkers' list. Elements contains an entire regiment of self contained fonts. Thankfully they don't show in other applications. Still the result is the Font pallet in Elements is obscenely bloated.
I don't have elements, but if you go to the preferences panel/menu there might be an option to hide some of them.
 
No joy there. Next time I'm on that computer I'll look at that acre or so of options at the bottom of the screen when the text tool is selected. Maybe there's a way to hide the app fonts there.
 
My recommendation is to give Graphic Converter from Lemke Software a try. I believe Lemke is a German software developer (?). While it is quite a powerful app that may take some time to master it, it costs around $39.00 USD ($34.00 in Europe). It also includes a small pdf manual. Upgrades are free for a few years.

While I do have this app fully updated in the iMac I use for photo editing-just in case- I mostly use DXO Photo Lab (v.8 is the latest) along DXO's NIK's Software Bundle these days. By the way, DXO has a free update to Photo Lab v.8, in this case update 8.5.

I stopped using Adobe apps when they abandoned PS5 & PS6 users.
 
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I use Graphic Converter a lot. It's the one third party photo app to be found in all three of my computer worlds. It's my go to for slide shows, and a Godsend for renaming large batches of files when cull and sort madness descends upon me. That said I've found I prefer other apps more useful for actual editing.

I'm starting to like Pixelmator, as well. I am pretty sure my wife will stick with Elements on the new computer. That gives me three years to find something with which she is equally as comfortable. That said I am sure I will pick something else for my own photoediting on the new machine. Of course 90+% of photoedits can be done on just about any app. It's that other 5-10% that have me looking and comparing what's available.

Since I am no longer making a living or even supplementing my income with my cameras, I've been avoiding the costlier alternatives. That may change, but I can afford to be patient.
 
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