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shepx13

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I'm a lifelong PC user. Got my first iPhone 2 years ago and am never going back to Android. Now have an Apple Watch and Airpod Pros.

I am self-employed. I currently have a Dell XPS 13 laptop and a home-built desktop PC. 70% of my work is done on my home desktop. When I'm working at my office I work with my laptop docked and about the only time it's used undocked is when I'm on a trip. But even with the very little bit of undocked use, the age of my XPS's battery is becoming a problem.

My computer use is as follows:
  • Web-based applications and email
  • MS office (word and Excel mainly)
  • Occasional Photoshop Lightroom
  • Very rare video editing
I'm considering replacing my XPS with a Macbook as a test, probably an Air 256GB as I keep my photos and such on secondary drives and in the cloud. But I am open to Pro model if necessary. If I grow to like or love it, then I'd use it as a replacement for my desktop as well with an appropriate dock (Caldigit TS3) and backup storage drives as needed. My main reasons for considering the switch are the battery life and iMessage use from it as I send a TON of business text messages throughout the day.

Am I crazy for considering this route? Has anyone else done this? I am not an emotional purchaser; I have been weighing this decision and the outcomes over a few weeks, watched tons of videos, etc. and I can't find any reason why this may not be a great solution for me long-term considering my uses for it.

Any feedback appreciated.
 

vanillaspice

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While Win boxes have gotten much better, even in this regard, it's the seamless integration and cross-operability between devices (phone, lappy, tablet) that keeps me pretty happily in these golden handcuffs.
 
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throAU

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An M1 MacBook Air will do all of that with ease (they will even edit 4k video with no proxies, and 8k with half res proxies just fine).

Pick how much storage you want and go for it!

A pro will be nicer (keyboard, screen, speakers) but they're significantly more expensive. Just depends how much you're willing to spend for "nice" vs. what you need :)
 
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I agree go with an M1 Air as a great starting point and use it for a year. You can then trade it in with Apple if you decide you really need all the high-end features of Macbook Pros. My guess is you'll be happy with the Air.

If you want to save a bit of money, do what some of us do here and buy an Apple refurb. An M1 Air 8/256 is $849 and a 16/256 is $1059 (although a little harder to find in stock). Other configurations are also available. Refurbs come with the same return policy, one year warranty, and Applecare+ option. In the US they ship overnight or two-day.

 
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chengengaun

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Your decision seems very sensible to me. The MBA will fit into the rest of your devices and work together nicely (Messages across devices, unlock with Watch, Handoff etc.). Office 365 apps run natively on Apple Silicon. The MBA might end up replacing your desktop while being highly portable, powerful and silent.
 
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Jl006p

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I'm a lifelong PC user. Got my first iPhone 2 years ago and am never going back to Android. Now have an Apple Watch and Airpod Pros.

I am self-employed. I currently have a Dell XPS 13 laptop and a home-built desktop PC. 70% of my work is done on my home desktop. When I'm working at my office I work with my laptop docked and about the only time it's used undocked is when I'm on a trip. But even with the very little bit of undocked use, the age of my XPS's battery is becoming a problem.

My computer use is as follows:
  • Web-based applications and email
  • MS office (word and Excel mainly)
  • Occasional Photoshop Lightroom
  • Very rare video editing
I'm considering replacing my XPS with a Macbook as a test, probably an Air 256GB as I keep my photos and such on secondary drives and in the cloud. But I am open to Pro model if necessary. If I grow to like or love it, then I'd use it as a replacement for my desktop as well with an appropriate dock (Caldigit TS3) and backup storage drives as needed. My main reasons for considering the switch are the battery life and iMessage use from it as I send a TON of business text messages throughout the day.

Am I crazy for considering this route? Has anyone else done this? I am not an emotional purchaser; I have been weighing this decision and the outcomes over a few weeks, watched tons of videos, etc. and I can't find any reason why this may not be a great solution for me long-term considering my uses for it.

Any feedback appreciated.
Absolutely you should try it out. Go pick one up tomorrow. Bestbuy's return policy is extended to January 16th. Ask them to price match Costco. They currently have the 13" MacBook Pro $150 off. On a good day you can get the MacBook Air $100 off too.

Continuity is the reason why I love apple. The way all your devices work together makes your day that much more productive.
 

CalMin

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You might want to try something used before you go all in. I’ve persuaded several folks to switch but one didn’t work out.

Smart tech savvy guy but just couldn’t get used to the Mac way of doing things. Could never find his files, hated ejecting his external HD and didn’t like how MacOS kept the menu bar on the top.

I never looked back but it’s not for everyone.
 

All.in.4.Apple

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I'm a lifelong PC user. Got my first iPhone 2 years ago and am never going back to Android. Now have an Apple Watch and Airpod Pros.

I am self-employed. I currently have a Dell XPS 13 laptop and a home-built desktop PC. 70% of my work is done on my home desktop. When I'm working at my office I work with my laptop docked and about the only time it's used undocked is when I'm on a trip. But even with the very little bit of undocked use, the age of my XPS's battery is becoming a problem.

My computer use is as follows:
  • Web-based applications and email
  • MS office (word and Excel mainly)
  • Occasional Photoshop Lightroom
  • Very rare video editing
I'm considering replacing my XPS with a Macbook as a test, probably an Air 256GB as I keep my photos and such on secondary drives and in the cloud. But I am open to Pro model if necessary. If I grow to like or love it, then I'd use it as a replacement for my desktop as well with an appropriate dock (Caldigit TS3) and backup storage drives as needed. My main reasons for considering the switch are the battery life and iMessage use from it as I send a TON of business text messages throughout the day.

Am I crazy for considering this route? Has anyone else done this? I am not an emotional purchaser; I have been weighing this decision and the outcomes over a few weeks, watched tons of videos, etc. and I can't find any reason why this may not be a great solution for me long-term considering my uses for it.

Any feedback appreciated.

Your workflow doesn’t seem to be an issue moving to a MacBook. Give it a shot and return the MacBook if it doesn’t work out for you. Th extended Holiday return window at Best Buy or Apple Store should give you more time to come to a decision.

I was in the same situation with an XPS 13. I have an iPhone, iPad, Apple Watch, Apple TV and Apple One. Started with an iPod, iPhone 3S, iPad 3, Apple TV 3rd generation and finally an Apple Watch S2. I’ve continued to upgrade Apple products through the years but remained hesitant to go all in.

Not having the Apple full ecosystem led me to loath using my XPS and moving to my iPad for some functions. I rely on my iPad Pro for 60% of my daily use. The PC was for work, multitasking and other needs.

I also have struggled with the XPS 13” screen. I needed more real estate. So I took the significant pivot to a MacBook and also went with the 16” MBP M1 Pro.

While I’ve been exposed to using MacOS in the past, I have used Windows OS since Windows 95. Moving to a Mac would not only be a learning curve, but also what apps I’d need. Virtualization isn’t ideal and not being able use a VM (Parallels) due to ARM and lack of x86 compatibility was a significant factor.

It took me 5 years to make this decision and had my MBP 6” delivered at launch day. 2+ weeks later, I’m adjusting, enjoying the UX and integration, finding most of the apps I need with my workflow and network engineer centric apps/tools.

I still have an XPS 8930 Studio desktop and I’ll keep this to bridge the gap for now. I’ll RDP into my PC desktop when needed.

It’s been a positive switch. Just looking forward to adjusting to the shortcuts, navigating the UI, exploring the additional features and not having to tinker or find an app that I realize I needed. The next Monterey patch release and features should take care of a couple roadblocks and minor nuisances.

Good luck with your decision
 

throAU

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You might want to try something used before you go all in. I’ve persuaded several folks to switch but one didn’t work out.

Smart tech savvy guy but just couldn’t get used to the Mac way of doing things. Could never find his files, hated ejecting his external HD and didn’t like how MacOS kept the menu bar on the top.

I never looked back but it’s not for everyone.

I'd caveat that with "make sure its an M1 based machine".

The intel MacBooks are so, so less good. It may be a 6 month time difference between say, an early 2020 Intel MacBook Air and a late 2020 M1 MacBook Air, but the performance difference is colossal.

If you do buy an M1 based MacBook Air, you'll easily get most of your money back for at least 6 months or so is my bet - if it doesn't work out.

But you'll still get the "best" Mac experience, rather than a hot, loud machine that is not really representative of the premium Mac experience any more.
 

Fishrrman

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If you do get a MacBook, some advice:

DON'T immediately abandon the PC.
Instead, keep it up-and-running for at least a month or longer as you "transition over".

You may find some tasks transition to the Mac easily, perhaps others not so much.
You want the PC to "fall back on", if need be.
 

Ruggy

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I think a lot of us have done it. I'd used PCs since they were running DOS and it felt like a really big step.
I bought a copy of Windows and installed it on its own partition as I was sure I'd use it all the time and in fact after the first couple of weeks never touched it again.
You've done the homework so you know what you are letting yourself in for and I don't think you'll get any nasty surprises. Honestly, they pretty much do everything out of the box just like they say they do and there is a learning curve but they are pretty easy to pick up.
There definitely aren't as many programs for Macs but don't be alarmed. In my experience you may have 20 programs on Windows and when you try them out a lot of them are buggy and aren't very well designed. The couple that work well are expensive. On the Macs you will have two or three but because they just won't run unless they are well written you'll find both of them will be pretty good.
Have a look at Affinity Photo for example. Look at the price of it!!
It might be worth checking things like printer though. It's probably ok but some hardware especially older ones might not have drivers.
The Air is a really good machine and plenty powerful enough for your needs. Very snappy and totally silent too!
I would definitely recommend it.
The battery life is insane!! I changed recently from a 2016 Macbook pro and the battery on this thing is amazing.
Yes imessage works really well and hand off is great as you have an iphone you will appreciate the integration.
I haven't tried the XPS but I don't think anything in the Windows world has a trackpad that can hold a candle to the trackpad on Macs. That might be something you haven't realised: just how good that is. (Maybe I'm out of date on that but I've never seen one.)
And you won't miss that awful uninstall program or Windows update or all those nag screens or anti-virus updates.
 
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Minimuz

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I have similar situation. I was going to buy a used MacBook Air with M1 16/512, but was not able to find one on second hand market. So I ordered a MacBook Pro 14 Base model and migrate all workflows on this machine.
 

SRQrws

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Best of luck if you try out the Mac. I think you will be pleasantly surprised. I switched from PC to Mac about 15 years ago or so, but periodically try out a new Windows machine just to keep up with changing technology. I recently picked up a new XPS 9510 15", but returned it after a week. The big issues for me were: 1) Trackpad was nowhere near as good as a Macbook. Sensitivity around the periphery was inconsistent and overall feel not as good. 2) Display. In order to get anything above 1920 x 1080 you have to pay big bucks whereas Macs have the retina display. 3) Windows. Yes there are pros/cons to both operating systems, but the two cons that drive me nuts with Windows are the scatter-brained logic behind preferences (some in Settings, some in Control Panel, no logic to either) and the redundant system controls that Dell, HP, Lenovo, etc. incorporate. It's a pain deciding whether to control system functions with the manufacturer programs or directly through Windows. Yes, you can delete many of the mfr programs, but why deal with it?
 

pmiles

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Just to play devils' advocate here... I switched from a PC to a Mac years ago. It was an expensive undertaking as I had to replace all my Windows software with Mac software. In addition, some hardware wouldn't work on the Mac due to lack of software written for it, so that had to be replaced as well. In my case, I still had some software that wasn't available for the Mac at all, so I had to maintain a bootcamp partition to run that.

As noted by someone else earlier, don't just swap over and toss your old device. You'd be surprised at how much stuff you really have and use but don't even realize. I call it it working in auto-pilot mode. Since it's set up on the one machine, you don't even realize that you are using it half the time. But when you switch to a different platform and it's not there, then, poof, oh yeah, I completely forgot about that software or hardware.

And don't get all caught up in the M1 hype. It's a little over the top. You have to understand that unlike PCs which are constantly seeing new CPUs and GPUs et al made available, the Mac side releases such changes at what some might consider a snails' pace by comparison. Macs have long since been behind their PC brethren on the GPU/CPU side of things because Apple chooses when to offer you an upgrade. They are always much better than the previous Macs, but not necessarily equal to the PC counterparts (talking pre-SoC designs).

SoCs are new to Macs. By design, you can't NOT have better performance over a non-SoC design. Once everything is SoC based, that initial leap in performance from a non-SoC will simmer down a bit. PCs are already looking to add SoC designs, so Apple's speed boost won't be that huge for very long. Don't get me wrong, it was a huge leap... just as the leap to OSX was when it was first introduced. But if you look at the history of things, PCs have the winning track record of constant upgrades.

Another thing to consider there is literally nothing you can do to upgrade a Mac (these days), on your own. They've soldered the SSD to the board. The RAM, et al. What you order is pretty much it. It's not like you can buy a Mac with less RAM and buy some RAM later to beef it up. Your stuck with Apple's devices and Apple's pricing. You pay far more for these components than you would on your average PC. So you have to consider cost into this as well. Most PC users don't outright replace their hardware, they upgrade it. That isn't going to be an option with Macs. Talking the new SoC Macs. Although we have yet to see any tower design from Apple, so far every one of these new SoC Macs have zero upgradeability.

All things to consider. Again, I made the switch years ago because I hated Windows OS that much. OSX was a dream OS by comparison. Monterey however wouldn't have gotten me to switch. The OS has gone to hell if you ask me. So if I were in your shoes today, I wouldn't even consider the Mac platform because I'm not interested in non-upgradable hardware. Some people are. The pull to the Mac needs to be a strong one and a valid one. As in, you'd rather poke your eyes out with a fork than stay on the PC platform kind of pull. Otherwise you may find yourself regretting the switch.

It sounds like your only real reason for the switch is battery life. Was your battery life terrible when you first got your laptop? Because every battery is great when brand spanking new. As time goes on, it's less great. It encourages people to buy new batteries or for those who can't be bothered... a new computer instead. Battery life is better on the SoC because the SoC was designed with such usage in mind. So yes, an SoC based laptop will get better battery life than an non-SoC based laptop. If battery life is the only reason you would choose a Mac over a PC, then you have your reason... your pull.
 

throAU

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And don't get all caught up in the M1 hype. It's a little over the top. You have to understand that unlike PCs which are constantly seeing new CPUs and GPUs et al made available, the Mac side releases such changes at what some might consider a snails' pace by comparison. Macs have long since been behind their PC brethren on the GPU/CPU side of things because Apple chooses when to offer you an upgrade. They are always much better than the previous Macs, but not necessarily equal to the PC counterparts (talking pre-SoC designs).

As someone who has owned a bunch of intel macs prior…. Do you own an m1 based machine?


The hype is real.

Lack of fan noise under all but the most extreme workloads is a game changer. As is the battery life. And the performance is a huge step compared to previous machines.

You may find PC laptops with better GPUs in them but they won’t have the silence or battery life. Which is what matters in a portable.
 
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EdwardC

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As a user of Mac's since '95 as a remote Sales-Engineer I have always enjoyed using them but........I have always had to have a Win box as well to run things like CAD that just are not that great on a Mac. I do use iWork for my business and it works quite well but then all my documents are exported as .PDF so compatibility is not an issue. I do own a copy of Office on my PC but don't feel the need to use it very often. I would say go for an M1 air but keep a PC around.
 

theluggage

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Just to play devils' advocate here... I switched from a PC to a Mac years ago. It was an expensive undertaking as I had to replace all my Windows software with Mac software. In addition, some hardware wouldn't work on the Mac due to lack of software written for it, so that had to be replaced as well.
Yes - it is vital to do the homework on what software and hardware you need. Many areas are well-supported on Mac, some (e.g. audio production) arguably better supported - others (CAD has been mentioned) mean you should probably stick with PC. Also, although M1 is an improvement in most respects, that's at the expense of easily being able to run X86 Windows in bootcamp or VM (yes you can run Win11 for ARM in a VM - but with a long list of caveats, such as being stuck with a 'developer preview' version and highly ambiguous licensing).

SoCs are new to Macs. By design, you can't NOT have better performance over a non-SoC design. Once everything is SoC based, that initial leap in performance from a non-SoC will simmer down a bit. PCs are already looking to add SoC designs, so Apple's speed boost won't be that huge for very long.
PCs are still going to be hampered by the need for backwards compatibility, which means that every x86 processor has to carry around a big chunk of circuitry to translate x86 code to RISC micro-ops that ARM ISA-based systems just don't need. It's a pretty good bet that ARM will always be able to fit more cores & accelerators into the same space & thermal/power envelope as x86.

Even if Windows-on-ARM takes off, it still has to satisfy a huge, conservative corporate market that will demand high-levels of backward compatibility with old code, old technologies, protocols etc. and a developer culture that has always presumed that code will be running on x86. Apple, have always had much more freedom to drop old standards - and a lot of the advantages of the M1 come from things like having a lot of software optimised for modern frameworks like Metal etc. Last I looked, MS were still supporting 32 bit Windows which could run binaries from the 1990s - Apple are quite happy to kill compatibility with 10 year-old code, and have been (indirectly) leading their developers to develop CPU-agnostic code for years (switching to a radically different CPU every decade or so can do that). Also, Apple now have the luxury of being able to design processors just for the computers and operating systems that they want to make - probably even prioritising their own software like FCPx and Logic. So, yeah, the gap will narrow, and maybe eventually PC will take the lead, but if Apple play their cards right they should have the lead for a few years yet. Rumours so far have a successor to the M1 coming out next year.

Another thing to consider there is literally nothing you can do to upgrade a Mac (these days), on your own. They've soldered the SSD to the board. The RAM, et al. What you order is pretty much it. It's not like you can buy a Mac with less RAM and buy some RAM later to beef it up.
As for RAM - you need to compare like for like: no computer with LPDDR RAM will have user-upgradeable RAM, because LPDDR relies on surface-mounting and ultra-short tracks to the CPU for the "low power" bit, and simply isn't available in plug-in form.

I'm not going to defend the soldered-in SSDs on Intel Macs - they're a perishable component and should be on a blade, even if it isn't standard M.2/PCIe. Reality is, you'd probably have to try hard to wear it out.

With the M1, though - there's now a user-payoff in having unified RAM built in to the SoC package and a proprietary SSD interface in the form of hyper-fast RAM and SSD access.

And don't get all caught up in the M1 hype. I

Again - it's a case of comparing like-with-like. What M1 is really giving you is the performance of a middling desktop i7 PC with a basic discrete PCIe GPU burning 300W of power - but in a ~15W ultra-thin laptop. It thrashes Intel's ultra-mobile processors with integrated GPUs - and probably gets an even bigger boost on tasks that can take advantage of the built-in hardware video codecs and neural engine. What it means is that a thin'n'crispy laptop with decent battery life is now good enough for pretty much all "general" tasks and occasional "heavy lifting" like media production.

Once you've got desktop-levels of performance at such low power there's a good chance that you can scale to workstation-level performance by adding more cores and specialist acceleration hardware (most x86 CPU and GPUs from the mid-desktop level up rely mainly on increasing the core count) - which we've seen with the M1 Pro and Max. No, the new MBPs are not the fastest things to be called "laptops", but the competition tends to be from brick-thick "mobile workstation/mobile gaming" space heaters with 1 hour battery life.
 

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if you new to Mac then look at some of these Mac sites:

1. MacUpdate.com - download site that tracks Mac programs from smaller developers whom don't like paying to list their app!
2. Acclerate Your Macintosh - reviews on Mac accessories for years now
3. LoopInsight.com - Blog post on Apple news from former Macworld employees
4. BarBeats.com - Speed test every Mac made these last 20 years sand still going with testing
 
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Moakesy

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Your use case is fine for a M1 mac. I’m in a similar position to you and it’s so easy.

One thing nobody has mentioned is ports, as you appear to do a bit of photography / video, the new MacBook Pro’s may suit you better than the Air. That assumes you’ll be plugging in a SD Card.

Either way, you’ll be fine. There is nothing PC wise that can come close to the M1’s power efficiency.
 

shepx13

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Thank you so much everyone for the feedback, it's much appreciated. Some 16GB M1 Air units showed up on Apple's refurbished site, so I jumped on it. With the 10% veteran discount on top, it was a too good to pass up. Was going to just get the standard version but there's multiple videos out there showing Lightroom getting laggy with some brush tools and that's a huge pet peeve of mine (WTF Adobe, will you ever get your unoptimized crap together on ANY platform?).

Will get delivered Monday. I'll follow up later in the week with my thoughts.
 

EdwardC

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Thank you so much everyone for the feedback, it's much appreciated. Some 16GB M1 Air units showed up on Apple's refurbished site, so I jumped on it. With the 10% veteran discount on top, it was a too good to pass up. Was going to just get the standard version but there's multiple videos out there showing Lightroom getting laggy with some brush tools and that's a huge pet peeve of mine (WTF Adobe, will you ever get your unoptimized crap together on ANY platform?).

Will get delivered Monday. I'll follow up later in the week with my thoughts.
Smart move on 16GB. I had a M1 Mini with 8 and traded it back to Apple and bought a 16GB model. MUCH better machine in my opinion.
 
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