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Just my personal opinion but in seeing Tim in various appearances over the past 18 to 24 months, I feel he is looking unhealthy and much older. He is only 60 and looks much older and haggard. Far too old for a healthy 60 year old. He claims he loves his job but visually it appears to be taking a toll. I am not trolling or trying to stir things up, just interested if anyone shares my opinion.
 

TiggrToo

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Just my personal opinion but in seeing Tim in various appearances over the past 18 to 24 months, I feel he is looking unhealthy and much older. He is only 60 and looks much older and haggard. Far too old for a healthy 60 year old. He claims he loves his job but visually it appears to be taking a toll. I am not trolling or trying to stir things up, just interested if anyone shares my opinion.

He looked fine to me on Monday. Hardly unhealthy in my eyes.
 

Cosmosent

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Just my personal opinion but in seeing Tim in various appearances over the past 18 to 24 months, I feel he is looking unhealthy and much older. He is only 60 and looks much older and haggard. Far too old for a healthy 60 year old. He claims he loves his job but visually it appears to be taking a toll. I am not trolling or trying to stir things up, just interested if anyone shares my opinion.

I've noticed the exact same thing !

His aging has in-deed accelerated !

It's the type of accelerated aging that, in the past, I've ONLY noticed with U.S. Presidents.

Have NO idea, OR Insight into, why is aging so fast right now.

Phil Schiller, on the other hand, appears to have lost alot of weight recently, & looks great right now compared to before.

And by great, I simply mean much healthier !

Who knows, maybe Tim steps down soon & Phil takes over as interim-CEO.

Just throwing that out there (to stir things up) ...
 

zakarhino

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I think he looks fine lol. I'm sure it's a stressful job but it's probably one of the world's best jobs to have. I doubt he's leaving anytime soon. He'll either stick around for as long as possible or leave early to pursue something in a passion field (politics? education?)
 
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I'm not sure about his aging, but Tim definitely seemed weird on Monday. Like he was nervous or even scared. His body language was different.
 

PlayUltimate

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I'm not sure about his aging, but Tim definitely seemed weird on Monday. Like he was nervous or even scared. His body language was different.
IMO, he just looked awkward. But I think he has looked awkward at most of these keynotes. Public speaking/sales/presentations is not his forte; but SJ established the custom of the CEO speaking at these events. I'm glad that his role was minimal.
 
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bobmans

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Didn't he announce that he won't be CEO for another 5 years anymore a while ago? This man has been CEO for 10 years now, which is pretty long tbh in the tech world.
 

iDaniel88

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Didn't he announce that he won't be CEO for another 5 years anymore a while ago? This man has been CEO for 10 years now, which is pretty long tbh in the tech world.

I believe it was ten years.

"Ten more years?" said Cook. "Probably not. But I can tell you that I feel great right now and the date is not in sight. But ten more years is a long time — and probably not ten more years."
- NYT
 
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fastbagger

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I've noticed the exact same thing !

His aging has in-deed accelerated !

It's the type of accelerated aging that, in the past, I've ONLY noticed with U.S. Presidents.

Have NO idea, OR Insight into, why is aging so fast right now.

Phil Schiller, on the other hand, appears to have lost alot of weight recently, & looks great right now compared to before.

And by great, I simply mean much healthier !

Who knows, maybe Tim steps down soon & Phil takes over as interim-CEO.

Just throwing that out there (to stir things up) ...
Stress
 

ouimetnick

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I've noticed the exact same thing !

His aging has in-deed accelerated !

It's the type of accelerated aging that, in the past, I've ONLY noticed with U.S. Presidents.

Have NO idea, OR Insight into, why is aging so fast right now.

Phil Schiller, on the other hand, appears to have lost alot of weight recently, & looks great right now compared to before.

And by great, I simply mean much healthier !

Who knows, maybe Tim steps down soon & Phil takes over as interim-CEO.

Just throwing that out there (to stir things up) ...
I have‘t seen Phil Schiller recently…
 

romanof

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I would like Tim Cooks future to be "retirement", and I'd like it to begin sooner rather than later.
Given the history of companies that are super successful, their founders and followers with the same thoughts are eventually (always) replaced by a bean counter in the CEO position. (Boeing, Intel, IBM, Dell - the list goes way on). This person cares nothing about customers or quality, but only what he can present at the next quarterly stockholders meeting. As long as the bottom line is bigger than the last, all is well with him.

So, you might find yourself able to purchase plastic tinkertoy Walmart-like Macbooks and paying a monthly subscription for the use of iOS, MacOs and such, and all equipped (for greater customer satisfaction, of course) with a T(x) security chip that will greet you with the message, "Operation denied - Software not approved by Apple."

Like the wise old Grandmothers would say, "Be careful what you wish for - you might get it."
 

ouimetnick

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Even though I have mixed feelings about Tim Cook, his successor isn’t going to be a Steve Jobs style CEO either. For every post I read that Timmy is a bean counter, his successor could be even worse. Better to deal with the devil you know than the one you don’t.
 
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romanof

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Even though I have mixed feelings about Tim Cook, his successor isn’t going to be a Steve Jobs style CEO either. For every post I read that Timmy is a bean counter, his successor could be even worse. Better to deal with the devil you know than the one you don’t.
Unfortunately, I absolutely agree. Tim Cook is far more 'beanish' than Jobs was, but at least he seems to keep his MBA leanings in check. But, my point is that ALL super successful companies eventually get a dude that only cares about the bottom line and turns that entity into another Microsoft - very successful, very large, but will never again lead their industry. A battleship that is powerful, but can't turn, speed up, slow down or decide to shoot in any reasonable span of time.

Dell came back somewhat, but only because Michael bought back the wreckage of his company after the MBA wrecking crews squeezed out every last dollar for the next stockholder meeting. There are very few examples of any other major company returning to the front of the innovating column.

But, I have much hope that maybe Apple will stave off that mediocrity for another generation or so of CEOs.
 

ouimetnick

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Unfortunately, I absolutely agree. Tim Cook is far more 'beanish' than Jobs was, but at least he seems to keep his MBA leanings in check. But, my point is that ALL super successful companies eventually get a dude that only cares about the bottom line and turns that entity into another Microsoft - very successful, very large, but will never again lead their industry. A battleship that is powerful, but can't turn, speed up, slow down or decide to shoot in any reasonable span of time.

Dell came back somewhat, but only because Michael bought back the wreckage of his company after the MBA wrecking crews squeezed out every last dollar for the next stockholder meeting. There are very few examples of any other major company returning to the front of the innovating column.

But, I have much hope that maybe Apple will stave off that mediocrity for another generation or so of CEOs.
That’s why I hope the next CEO is someone with in Apple that understands the special culture that Jobs created and try not to steer far from the current Tim Cook direction.

It’s easy to say “Steve would never let this happen” but 2011 was 10 years ago. Streaming music was in it’s infancy, iTunes purchases were how people got music, Netflix was still shipping DVDs, MobileMe just became iCloud, iPad was only a year old and didn’t really have a direction, and people still bought iPods.

I’m sure Jobs wouldn’t like everything that has happened since, but I’m sure he’d be proud. He did like the quote “I skate to where the puck is going to be, not to where it has been.” What worked back in 2011 doesn’t really apply today. Jobs also knew (from keynotes and leaked emails) that the Mac wasn’t going to be the “digital hub” but rather just another device like the iPad and the cloud was going to be the digital hub.

Who knows what he would have thought about Apple TV+ or Apple Arcade, but he oversaw the failure of iTunes Ping…
 

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Even though I have mixed feelings about Tim Cook, his successor isn’t going to be a Steve Jobs style CEO either. For every post I read that Timmy is a bean counter, his successor could be even worse. Better to deal with the devil you know than the one you don’t.
In the very least, I expect Tim Cook's replacement to also have worked his way up via the supply chain. It's the reality facing Apple today. Any product that Apple makes has to be able to ship in the millions in the very least.
 

Falhófnir

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In the very least, I expect Tim Cook's replacement to also have worked his way up via the supply chain. It's the reality facing Apple today. Any product that Apple makes has to be able to ship in the millions in the very least.
That's a COOs job though, not a CEO. I just hope it's someone internal who's been brought on in Apple's internal culture (likely) and that it's also someone who will stay in the post for at least 5 years (more difficult if it's going to be one of Jobs' remaining old guard).
 

Abazigal

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That's a COOs job though, not a CEO. I just hope it's someone internal who's been brought on in Apple's internal culture (likely) and that it's also someone who will stay in the post for at least 5 years (more difficult if it's going to be one of Jobs' remaining old guard).

It will likely be someone who has worked their ranks up in Apple, rather than parachuted in from outside. In this regard, that person should be fairly familiar with Apple’s design-led product culture, and should not stray too far from those values.
 

skaertus

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Given the history of companies that are super successful, their founders and followers with the same thoughts are eventually (always) replaced by a bean counter in the CEO position. (Boeing, Intel, IBM, Dell - the list goes way on). This person cares nothing about customers or quality, but only what he can present at the next quarterly stockholders meeting. As long as the bottom line is bigger than the last, all is well with him.

So, you might find yourself able to purchase plastic tinkertoy Walmart-like Macbooks and paying a monthly subscription for the use of iOS, MacOs and such, and all equipped (for greater customer satisfaction, of course) with a T(x) security chip that will greet you with the message, "Operation denied - Software not approved by Apple."

Like the wise old Grandmothers would say, "Be careful what you wish for - you might get it."

Even though I have mixed feelings about Tim Cook, his successor isn’t going to be a Steve Jobs style CEO either. For every post I read that Timmy is a bean counter, his successor could be even worse. Better to deal with the devil you know than the one you don’t.

Unfortunately, I absolutely agree. Tim Cook is far more 'beanish' than Jobs was, but at least he seems to keep his MBA leanings in check. But, my point is that ALL super successful companies eventually get a dude that only cares about the bottom line and turns that entity into another Microsoft - very successful, very large, but will never again lead their industry. A battleship that is powerful, but can't turn, speed up, slow down or decide to shoot in any reasonable span of time.

Dell came back somewhat, but only because Michael bought back the wreckage of his company after the MBA wrecking crews squeezed out every last dollar for the next stockholder meeting. There are very few examples of any other major company returning to the front of the innovating column.

But, I have much hope that maybe Apple will stave off that mediocrity for another generation or so of CEOs.

That’s why I hope the next CEO is someone with in Apple that understands the special culture that Jobs created and try not to steer far from the current Tim Cook direction.

It’s easy to say “Steve would never let this happen” but 2011 was 10 years ago. Streaming music was in it’s infancy, iTunes purchases were how people got music, Netflix was still shipping DVDs, MobileMe just became iCloud, iPad was only a year old and didn’t really have a direction, and people still bought iPods.

I’m sure Jobs wouldn’t like everything that has happened since, but I’m sure he’d be proud. He did like the quote “I skate to where the puck is going to be, not to where it has been.” What worked back in 2011 doesn’t really apply today. Jobs also knew (from keynotes and leaked emails) that the Mac wasn’t going to be the “digital hub” but rather just another device like the iPad and the cloud was going to be the digital hub.

Who knows what he would have thought about Apple TV+ or Apple Arcade, but he oversaw the failure of iTunes Ping…

In the very least, I expect Tim Cook's replacement to also have worked his way up via the supply chain. It's the reality facing Apple today. Any product that Apple makes has to be able to ship in the millions in the very least.
I think Apple's next CEO is going to be Tim Cook style and not Steve Jobs. That is what Apple needs right now.

Just look at Steve Jobs. He was the visionary leader, the guy who changed Apple's culture, a one-of-a-kind sort of person. From 1997 to 2011, when he was back at Apple, he managed to bring the iMac, iTunes, iPod, iPhone, MacBook Air, and iPad.

I remember that when Steve Jobs was sick, many people were worried about succession and what would be of Apple in the future. Where would Apple find another guy like Steve Jobs to fill his shoes? That kind of thought brings a lot of uncertainty to the future of a company.

But then came Tim Cook. Tim Cook is not a visionary genius. He seems to be just an incredibly efficient guy, a super-executive that checks all the boxes and gets an A in every grade. He has not come up with any revolutionary product. Tim Cook's Apple is not as innovative. It is entering into new existing businesses and not creating new ones. The big leaps, such as the M1, comes from efficiency and not from wholly rethinking a product.

And that is what Apple needs now. Apple does not need to be saved from bankruptcy nor to have a new corporate culture. It needs to reliably and effectively launch new products to keep its leadership position. And, more importantly, it needs to keep reliable as a company and that is the reason why it is worth $2 trillion. Tim Cook, not being a one-of-a-kind type of guy, is replaceable by the next highly efficient CEO.
 
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Shanghaichica

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I think Apple's next CEO is going to be Tim Cook style and not Steve Jobs. That is what Apple needs right now.

Just look at Steve Jobs. He was the visionary leader, the guy who changed Apple's culture, a one-of-a-kind sort of person. From 1997 to 2011, when he was back at Apple, he managed to bring the iMac, iTunes, iPod, iPhone, MacBook Air, and iPad.

I remember that when Steve Jobs was sick, many people were worried about succession and what would be of Apple in the future. Where would Apple find another guy like Steve Jobs to fill his shoes? That kind of thought brings a lot of uncertainty to the future of a company.

But then came Tim Cook. Tim Cook is not a visionary genius. He seems to be just an incredibly efficient guy, a super-executive that checks all the boxes and gets an A in every grade. He has not come up with any revolutionary product. Tim Cook's Apple is not as innovative. It is entering into new existing businesses and not creating new ones. The big leaps, such as the M1, comes from efficiency and not from wholly rethinking a product.

And that is what Apple needs now. Apple does not need to be saved from bankruptcy nor to have a new corporate culture. It needs to reliably and effectively launch new products to keep its leadership position. And, more importantly, it needs to keep reliable as a company and that is the reason why it is worth $2 trillion. Tim Cook, not being a one-of-a-kind type of guy, is replaceable by the next highly efficient CEO.
He’d doesn’t get enough credit for the AirPods and Apple Watch.
 

skaertus

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He’d doesn’t get enough credit for the AirPods and Apple Watch.
Well, it is basically all he has launched in terms of new products in 10 years as CEO. And they are both accessories to go with other Apple products. The AirPods are really great, but the Apple Watch, although successful, is just a follow-up to other smartwatches the market already had. There was also the HomePod, another product following existing ones.

And there are services. Apple Music and Apple TV+, for instance. Both services copied business models already existing and added little to them.

Apple is far less innovative under Tim Cook, that is for sure. But that is a good thing. Tim Cook is a great CEO. Apple's products are now generally better and he has made the company worth over two trillion dollars. Tim Cook's efficiency and reliability, as boring as it may sound, is far more important for Apple today than all creativity in the world.
 

romanof

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t will likely be someone who has worked their ranks up in Apple, rather than parachuted in from outside. In this regard, that person should be fairly familiar with Apple’s design-led product culture, and should not stray too far from those values.
That is not always a good thing. When Tom Watson (think Steve Jobs of IBM) retired, IBM always replaced from inside. Unfortunately, these were all old men who were far behind in any technology learning that they might have once had. They were car mechanics continually trying to improve the Model A from year to year, and wondering why people didn't want a 1982 roadster, available only in black.

My first program was written 1n 1964, submitted on punched cards to an IBM 1401. (One of the larger ones - it had 12k of main memory) Over the many years since, I have seen one company after another rise to stardom, then make its inevitable descent to mediocrity. To wit...

IBM deliberately threw away the PC market that it almost entirely owned , with statements from on high that these new toy computers were a fad.
The story of Xerox showing their graphical desktop as a glitzy plaything is well known, but again, controlled by men who were too set in standard corporate ways to see the gold mine in front of them.
Novell ignored their mainstream product, playing around with trivialities until upstart Microsoft killed it with a vastly inferior product.
Boing once had a worldwide saying by airline passengers, "It it ain't Boing, I ain't going." Now it is, "We deliver 98 percent of our passengers alive."
Dell drove off a cliff after a cluster of Wall Streeters took the wheel.
An MBA CEO of Home Depot got the idea that firing most of the employees at the checkouts would really boost the bottom line. It did, but at Lowes.
Sears, of course, is the perfect (horrible) example that a bean counter CEO should be locked in his office and his PC disconnected until he leaves for the day.
etc, etc, etc.

If Apple selects a younger, forward looking CEO from within, that could possibly be wonderful, but if you try to get Las Vegas odds on it, they might be pretty long against.
 

Eric Idle

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Without innovation, Apple will die in the long term. The iPhone will not sustain a 2 trillion dollar company forever. Kodak was once a Dow 30 company, one of the largest in the US. Now they are nothing. Nokia once owned the cell phone world. What goes up, can and will come down. Innovation will sustain Apple, if they have the leader to lead them there. Tim Cook is not that person.
 
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