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Ifti

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Referring to this Apple article : https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/mac-help/mh35860/mac

Time machine backs everything up to an external disk, but it also creates a snapshot on the local internal disk? Is that correct??
I don't want anything created on the internal disk, I thought Time Machine only saved all data to the dedicated external drive?

Please clarify...?
 

KALLT

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Local snapshots are kept only for 24-48 hours and are also removed if the system runs out of space. You shouldn’t notice anything.
 

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Can I use TM to backup only my profile and not create any snapshots etc?
I have a clone for disaster recovery, just after a more regular backup of my documents etc......

EDIT: Bit of research and think I've answered my own question.
Apparently running the below command will stop local snapshots:

sudo tmutil disablelocal

Anyone ever tried this?

Source: https://www.howtogeek.com/212207/ho...d-by-time-machines-local-backups-on-your-mac/
 
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Soba

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Can I use TM to backup only my profile and not create any snapshots etc?
I have a clone for disaster recovery, just after a more regular backup of my documents etc......

The local snapshots are created automatically and there is no reason to disable them even if you could do so (to my knowledge, you cannot, even from Terminal). They are automatically deleted each day or two and are also automatically deleted if macOS perceives that you are short of disk space. There is no reason to mess with them 99.9%+ of the time and you will never even know they are there. It's just a part of how Time Machine works.

You can exclude specific folders from a Time Machine backup using the Time Machine preference pane in System Preferences.

A clone of your drive is great to have, but in many situations, restoring from a Time Machine backup will get you up and running more quickly than restoring from a clone and then restoring your documents/photos/et cetera piecemeal. In the event your system drive dies and is replaced with a blank (or you have to get an entirely new Mac), you can boot directly from your Time Machine drive and restore the entire system to its prior state (with a backup taken, at most, one hour prior to the system crash) with just a few mouse clicks.

For most people, it's best to just back up everything unless you have huge piles of unwieldy, frequently-changed files that make Time Machine impractical as a backup method.
 

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The local snapshots are created automatically and there is no reason to disable them even if you could do so (to my knowledge, you cannot, even from Terminal). They are automatically deleted each day or two and are also automatically deleted if macOS perceives that you are short of disk space. There is no reason to mess with them 99.9%+ of the time and you will never even know they are there. It's just a part of how Time Machine works.

You can exclude specific folders from a Time Machine backup using the Time Machine preference pane in System Preferences.

A clone of your drive is great to have, but in many situations, restoring from a Time Machine backup will get you up and running more quickly than restoring from a clone and then restoring your documents/photos/et cetera piecemeal. In the event your system drive dies and is replaced with a blank (or you have to get an entirely new Mac), you can boot directly from your Time Machine drive and restore the entire system to its prior state (with a backup taken, at most, one hour prior to the system crash) with just a few mouse clicks.

For most people, it's best to just back up everything unless you have huge piles of unwieldy, frequently-changed files that make Time Machine impractical as a backup method.

Thank you for your detailed response - I actually just edited my post just above yours - but I now read that command functionality has been disabled by Apple anyways!

When I have restored my Mac in the past, or set up a new Mac, Ive always used my clone as part of the setup process and migration assistant copies everything across, just like it would from a TM backup. Ive found it to be very quick.
Ive never actually used it to boot off of it and clone back across to the internal drive - just as a means for Migraton Assistant to copy everything across - has always worked well for me this way.....

I just wanted to use TM as a more up-to-date option, since the clone always relies on me manually creating it, but don't want to use my internal drive space for any backups at all.....

So, if local snapshots are created with automatic backups, if I manually create Time Machine backups instead, I assume local snapshots are no longer created? Considering the TM drive is a NVMe in my dock, which is always connected anyway, created a TM backup manual would be quicker and easier then a clone, which needs to to connect another external drive and wait for the entire process to complete. I don’t need hourly backups - one at the end of the day would be fine, so seems a manual TM backup may be the way to go for me....
 
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Soba

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Thank you for your detailed response - I actually just edited my post just above yours - but I now read that command functionality has been disabled by Apple anyways!

When I have restored my Mac in the past, or set up a new Mac, Ive always used my clone as part of the setup process and migration assistant copies everything across, just like it would from a TM backup. Ive found it to be very quick.
Ive never actually used it to boot off of it and clone back across to the internal drive - just as a means for Migraton Assistant to copy everything across - has always worked well for me this way.....

I just wanted to use TM as a more up-to-date option, since the clone always relies on me manually creating it, but don't want to use my internal drive space for any backups at all.....

So, if local snapshots are created with automatic backups, if I manually create Time Machine backups instead, I assume local snapshots are no longer created? Considering the TM drive is a NVMe in my dock, which is always connected anyway, created a TM backup manual would be quicker and easier then a clone, which needs to to connect another external drive and wait for the entire process to complete. I don’t need hourly backups - one at the end of the day would be fine, so seems a manual TM backup may be the way to go for me....

My understanding is that local snapshots are created mostly (but not exclusively) when the Time Machine drive is disconnected or unavailable. They are used sparingly when the Time Machine drive is connected. (This is not well documented, so the exact mechanics of it are a bit of a mystery.) Local snapshots are always created in certain situations, such as when installing a macOS update (on Sierra or later).

You are correct in that the "disablelocal" option for tmutil was removed in Catalina, so this is now out.

If this helps, you can remove all local snapshots by disabling Time Machine backups temporarily; just open the Time Machine system preference, turn Time Machine off, wait a few minutes, then turn Time Machine back on.

More to the point, can you explain why you're concerned about local snapshots? They're just a part of the operation of macOS and should not cause any trouble. Time Machine is meant to be a "set it and forget it" backup that you never think about. That is one of its major advantages. Manual backups tend to be forgotten about and go out of date, thus end up being no backup at all. With Time Machine, it's just there in the background always doing its job, always up to date, maintaining a backup history of every file revision going back as far as your backup disk's space will allow.

In effect, local snapshots do not actually use space on your internal drive; they do use space in a literal sense, but because macOS automatically purges them (silently) if the space is needed, you will not know that they are there and they should never get in the way of your work.

Having a separate clone is a good practice and I'm not trying to discourage you from doing this in addition to Time Machine; redundant backups are important, given that any drive can fail at any time. I clone my Time Machine backup drive every week and I'm actually planning to buy an LTO drive and start backing up to tape again (which I have not done at home in over 15 years) to simplify offsite backup media rotation. Perhaps I'm something of a throwback. :p
 
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KALLT

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So, if local snapshots are created with automatic backups, if I manually create Time Machine backups instead, I assume local snapshots are no longer created? Considering the TM drive is a NVMe in my dock, which is always connected anyway, created a TM backup manual would be quicker and easier then a clone, which needs to to connect another external drive and wait for the entire process to complete. I don’t need hourly backups - one at the end of the day would be fine, so seems a manual TM backup may be the way to go for me....

The local/APFS snapshots are created regardless as long as Time Machine is enabled.

APFS snapshots are not comparable to the previous local backups that Time Machine used to create (hence the removal of the obsolete tmutil disablelocal command). It is not a backup in the sense that it writes a lot of data to the internal disk as backup.

An APFS snapshot is more like an index of files at a particular point in time. APFS will ensure that the files on that index are not actually deleted as long as the snapshot itself exists. Once the snapshot is removed (after 24–48 hours or as space runs out), the files that are no longer used by any other snapshots are deleted. Think of it as a trash functionality (as in, moving files to trash) with automatic removal, just for the whole disk. APFS snapshots have a negligible intrinsic size on disk.
 
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