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ApplesAreSweet&Sour

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I've had APP since May 2021 and have suddenly been experiencing weird, temporary, tinnitus-like symptoms after using them:

Yes, I know what you're thinking, that I'm using them for too many hours per day, with the volume set too high. Or that I'm also playing in a band or attending live-concerts when I'm not using them. But that is not the case. There's been as much lockdown here as anywhere else and I can't remember when I've last listening to any kind of live music, or even just the stereo in a night club. Must have been years.

No, I have not been listening too loud or too often. In fact, I have been very conscious about my usage and repeatedly check that I'm never going above 50% volume. One of the things that initially impressed me with APP was how low I could set the volume and still have a good listening experience. So I'm mostly using them in the 30%-40% volume range.

The Apple Health report also tells me that I've never exceeded the "7-day limit" that you can enable (it has been enabled since day one).

On a more subjective note, I would mention that I also don't listen to "loud" genres of music. No heavy metal, no hardcore electronic music, no rock with tons of distortion, or heavy hip hop with rumbling 808 kicks and sub bass.

The loudest and most straining listening I do on them is watching blockbuster movies, action, horror, sci-fi stuff. But still rarely at more than 40%, very rarely up to 50%.

Now I'm getting weird temporary tinnitus symptoms every single time I use APP: A high pitched ringing that lasts a couple of hours or the rest of the day. Then I wake up the next day and most or all of it's gone.

I'm in no way knowledgable enough to say if ANC could be the culprit. But I can't help but think that it's not the audio I'm listening to but the "audio feed" of the microphones that create the ANC that's somehow triggering something within my ears or brain.

I mean, isn't ANC constant noise of my environment being fed into my ears?

I noticed that this temporary tinnitus seems to be worse when I use the APP and no audio is playing, aka ANC is switched on but nothing is playing back on the output device.

Yes, I realise that I could try to use them again with ANC turned off. But now I'm very reluctant to use them at all and really would not like to put them in again if I can avoid it.

On a side-note, I'd say I've been very happy with them otherwise and though most features and the ANC worked very well. So it's not a case of me hoping to find a reason to return them or anything like that.

Anyone else had these issues with APP or any other ANC headphones?
 

Julien

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....I mean, isn't ANC constant noise of my environment being fed into my ears?...
No, it is not adding environmental noise, it is reducing it. Sound is a pressure wave with a peak and a trough. ANC sends a wave of opposite phase. When the two out of phase (opposite) waves "hit" each other it causes distractive interference and significantly lowers the peaks and the troughs which results in lower sound pressure level hitting the ear drums.

So it will not ADD any volume to your ears.
 
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ApplesAreSweet&Sour

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No, it is not adding environmental noise, it is reducing it. Sound is a pressure wave with a peak and a trough. ANC sends a wave of opposite phase. When the two out of phase (opposite) waves "hit" each other it causes distractive interference and significantly lowers the peaks and the troughs which results in lower sound pressure level hitting the ear drums.

So it will not ADD any volume to your ears.
Thanks for explaining.

It still seems like they're impacting my hearing to some extent as this ringing will occur if I just put them in without anything playing back and have them in for a couple of minutes or longer.
 

Julien

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Thanks for explaining.

It still seems like they're impacting my hearing to some extent as this ringing will occur if I just put them in without anything playing back and have them in for a couple of minutes or longer.
Likely relative. You don't notice normally because the noise floor masks the ringing but when you put them in it reduces the noise floor and then you "notice" the ringing more. Once you become aware of the ringing it will be at the front of your attention and will seem louder even after you remove them.
 

barkomatic

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I'm brining back this thread because I too have experienced a noticeable ringing in my ears -- but using AirPods 3. I use the volume limiter to keep it at approximately 75db and only use my AirPods at the gym for about an hour 4x a week. My use is far from excessive.

I have stopped using them, went back to my old earbuds and the ringing subsided. I then went back to the AirPods and the ringing returned. I may try a few more times to make sure.

Perhaps there is something different about my ears but I'm thinking these may have to go back sadly. It's a shame because I'm otherwise quite please with the audio quality and other features. I still have a few more weeks to think about it though.
 
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jamface

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Once you’ve begun to hear it, that’s it - tinnitus is coming for you. It’s caused by damage and degradation. it’s not something emitted by anything, AirPods or otherwise. So, regardless of the cause, and regardless of its seemingly temporary nature, it won’t go away. Maybe for a while, but it’ll be back.
 
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star-affinity

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(Sorry for wall of text, but I felt I had to get this out of me… again)

Be careful!
Tinnitus comes in many forms and many that have it aren't too bothered by it, but let me tell you – it can suck really bad!

I have high-pitched hiss sound (sometimes it oscillates up in pitch a little) that sounds pretty similar to what you hear close to the charging station when an electric car is being charged – an electrical kind of hiss/sizzle.

This was likely obtained (in conjunction with some other things) not by any loud levels of sound, but long term listening to music during night (sweeping synth and piano) with my iPhone in speaker mode next to my pillow. I did this to mask out my other ”mostly just disturbing at night" tinnitus sounds. But this one night my left hear seemed to just have gotten enough and I could hear a ”warped chirp” for a couple of seconds that then immediately turned in to the new tinnitus. :(

This last one I've had for about nine months now is intrusive large parts of my day. It really has changed my perception of reality in a bad way. It's torture. Sort of like a constant itch you can't scratch.

I so regret that I didn't just set a bloody timer when going to sleep – the ears has to rest and be able to recover! :mad:

I don't know if AirPods are worse than other in-ear headphones (here's a long thread at Apple Discussions about it), but I do think it's important to take listening brakes especially with these kind of headphones. With headphones it's difficult to ”hear” and ”feel” the ears when they let you know they're getting fatigued by starting to feel ”hollow” or make warnings in case of (most often) temporary tinnitus sounds.

One good thing is that hearing research seem to point at that we'll eventually be able to restore hearing in the shape of getting the progenitor cells that sits next to each hear sell do their job again (they can in fish and birds, but for some reason not in mammals), i.e. create a new hair cell if they get damaged. Biopharma companies are also trying to get synapses (that transport neurons) to connect back to the hair cell they once were attached to – this ”disconnect” is something that can happen due to noise and is one of the things that is suspected to generate tinnitus.

While there is hope for the future when it comes to hearing some think tinnitus is not just an ear problem, but something that's generated in the brain. The reason for this is that some people with hearing-loss don't necessarily have tinnitus.

At the same time OTO-313 from the biotech company Otonomy is in trial and seems it has the chance to dampen tinnitus for at least some patients: https://www.otonomy.com/pipeline/

In short; it's not work risking damage to your ears! But at the same time one should not of course walk around and be afraid. But be aware. Take listening breaks now and then. Go to a quite place and listen to the ears. If you can ”feel” them or ”hear” them it's time for a break until these things go away. If you keep going the risk is there will be permanent damage in the form of hearing-loss and possibly also tinnitus at that. :eek:
 
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Lightning Bolt

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FWIW, I experienced this ringing over 2 years ago when I first tried AirPod Pro's After reading some information here, I decided to return them. The high pitched ringing in my ears went away after a few days of not using them.

Fast forward to now... I didn't do any research and bought them again. Somehow, I'd completely forgot about the problem it caused previously.

So of course I wore them out for a walk with the dog last night. I get home, and then I notice the ringing. It's worse in my left ear for some reason. I was not listening at a high volume either. Hopefully, this ringing will go away again in a few days.

With that, does anyone know of any BT stereo headphones that do not cause this problem? Is it just Apple's ANC that causes it?

My friend uses some nice Bose units that I'm thinking of trying, but thought there might be some other suggestions here. As important, are there any other brands/models to avoid due to the same (or similar) issue?

Thanks for any input!

Dave

PS. I think these AirPods are going back to the store today.
 
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Absrnd

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FWIW, I experienced this ringing over 2 years ago when I first tried AirPod Pro's After reading some information here, I decided to return them. The high pitched ringing in my ears went away after a few days of not using them.

Fast forward to now... I didn't do any research and bought them again. Somehow, I'd completely forgot about the problem it caused previously.

So of course I wore them out for a walk with the dog last night. I get home, and then I notice the ringing. It's worse in my left ear for some reason. I was not listening at a high volume either. Hopefully, this ringing will go away again in a few days.

With that, does anyone know of any BT stereo headphones that do not cause this problem? Is it just Apple's ANC that causes it?

My friend uses some nice Bose units that I'm thinking of trying, but thought there might be some other suggestions here. As important, are there any other brands/models to avoid due to the same (or similar) issue?

Thanks for any input!

Dave

PS. I think these AirPods are going back to the store today.

Just - Turn - down - the - VOLUME.
 
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chrfr

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FWIW, I experienced this ringing over 2 years ago when I first tried AirPod Pro's After reading some information here, I decided to return them. The high pitched ringing in my ears went away after a few days of not using them.
It's more likely you just have the volume turned up to a damaging level. The Airpods don't make a different sound compared to other headphones/earbuds. Have you verified the problem does not occur for you with other earbuds?
 

chrfr

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Not saying that Airpods are worse than other in-ear headphones, but it's pretty interesting, no?

The problem I think is that for some people even a volme that's concidered safe will be too much in the long run.
I‘m not sure I’d call it interesting. It is still unlikely that AirPods are really causing this and that other types aren’t. Nothing in this thread or the one on Apple’s forum can ever be anything other than anecdotal.
For what it’s worth, I’ve had tinnitus for many years, likely to exposure at concerts and from overly loud cars, and no headphones make the tinnitus better or worse. I do take care to keep the volume as low as possible to minimize further hearing damage.
 
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profcutter

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I have tinnitus that comes and goes. It’s worse after listening to loud music, and it got much worse after a sinus infection a couple years ago. I’ve used APP for a couple years now, can’t say I’ve noticed it was worse after wearing them unless I was playing music too loud. Your ears chnage over time, it could be you’re just aging and tinnitus is a symptom. It could be that the APPs are causing it, it’s so hard to say.
 

star-affinity

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I‘m not sure I’d call it interesting. It is still unlikely that AirPods are really causing this and that other types aren’t. Nothing in this thread or the one on Apple’s forum can ever be anything other than anecdotal.
For what it’s worth, I’ve had tinnitus for many years, likely to exposure at concerts and from overly loud cars, and no headphones make the tinnitus better or worse. I do take care to keep the volume as low as possible to minimize further hearing damage.

No, I think it's mostly about in-ear headphones in general.

Anecdotal is one thing, but anecdotal x1000 another. ;)

Someone I know also got slight tinnitus from lots of Airpod usage matching the stories at Apple Discussions pretty well. Again, not blaming Airpods per se, but I do think there are too few warnings about potential damage from long term listening at "moderate" volume – almost only talks about loud sounds and loud music.

I have tinnitus that comes and goes. It’s worse after listening to loud music, and it got much worse after a sinus infection a couple years ago. I’ve used APP for a couple years now, can’t say I’ve noticed it was worse after wearing them unless I was playing music too loud. Your ears chnage over time, it could be you’re just aging and tinnitus is a symptom. It could be that the APPs are causing it, it’s so hard to say.

Of course tinnitus can happen for many reasons, but that it so often is triggered in conjunction with sound exposure definitely means that – in many cases – both correlation and causation is at effect here, I think.
 

Lightning Bolt

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Just to give anyone following this thread an update, I’m still getting some ringing in my ears. Sometimes just my left, sometimes both ears. As I think I previously mentione, I did try the Air-Pods with the volume a little lower the second time, but the ringing still came back.

i guess I wasn’t meant to have air-pods at all. :(:confused: Oh well... on a brighter note, I’m typing this on a new 5th gen 64GB IPad Air that I just bought to replace my original air from 2013 (or 2014)
 

jamface

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Just to give anyone following this thread an update, I’m still getting some ringing in my ears. Sometimes just my left, sometimes both ears. As I think I previously mentione, I did try the Air-Pods with the volume a little lower the second time, but the ringing still came back.
Yes you have tinnitus now. It will continue to appear at various times through your life, and will most likely get worse.
 

ArchEtech

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Tinnitus is logically going to feel worse sometimes with ANC on because it quiets things up just like plugging your ears. I think it is worse in the APP2 because the noise cancelling is soooo intense. I don't have tinnitus bad, but because of ear wax, and blood pressure sometimes, I do have some. I'm very sensitive to ear pressure, and too tight of a fit, even though the sound is better with a tighter seal. Experiment with the different size ear buds and ANC intensity setting as to what is comfortable. I do know exactly what you guys are talking about.
 
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