Just curious if anyone have anyone tried out or bought the new Leica M8.
I am very interested to put it mildly. But since it is a lot of money I would like to hear if anyone of you guys have any personal experience of the camera.
I actually held it in my hand a week ago. My credit card kept screaming until I let it go. You are correct in that hardware doesn't do the photo, but it sure helps.I've been going to the Leica site about twice a week just to look at it and drool.
Overrated? Sour grapes I say.No but it is tempting. I think I may call some buddies and see if they can hook me up with a visit. With that said, I've used an M7 and I love it. Personally, I think people may believe Leica is a bit overrated, but I simply adore then and their digital line is to die for.
But I am biased, I love a good rangefinder.
First of all, I doubt you are able to see any difference in a normal sized photo taken by a 6Mpx and a 12Mpx camera with the same technology in the optic sensor. I am equally sure that you would be able to see a difference between photos taken with the same optic sensor but different optics.Leica's premise is that today's 10 megapixel sensor is going to last you a lifetime...okay. But digital technology is going to move fast. Five years ago, 3 and 4 megapixel cameras were everywhere. Today the norm is 6 to 8. Fairly soon, 10 MP will be entry-level. Yes yes, megapixels aren't everything, but there is an upward trend in megapixels.
Deal! ...and when I win, I'll buy you a noctilux,When I win the lottery, this will be one my first purchases. And if you're nice to me I might buy you too
I know I'll be riddled with an AK-47 or a BFG-9000, but what's all the fuss about rangefinders? What is the unique benefit of a rangefinder?
Leica mentions that the M8 is "the first timeless digital camera..." However, the words "digital" and "timeless" don't seem to go together. Unlike film, which improved over the years and decades, and was still fully compatible with 35mm film cameras, digital is a different paradigm.
Digital sensor technology is about a decade old, and advances are going to be dramatic in the next 10 years, with improved sensitivity (dynamic range) and reduced noise and whatever else. You cannot remove and replace the sensor as you could do with film.
Leica's premise is that today's 10 megapixel sensor is going to last you a lifetime...okay. But digital technology is going to move fast. Five years ago, 3 and 4 megapixel cameras were everywhere. Today the norm is 6 to 8. Fairly soon, 10 MP will be entry-level. Yes yes, megapixels aren't everything, but there is an upward trend in megapixels.
I know I'll be riddled with an AK-47 or a BFG-9000, but what's all the fuss about rangefinders? What is the unique benefit of a rangefinder?
I mostly agree, but it's unwise to use absolutes like "WILL end." The future can be full of surprises. If sensor size stays the same, there is a practical limit to the number of pixels that can (or should) be squeezed into that space. However, new sensor technologies (such as the Foveon sensor) can improve image quality by eliminating the Bayer-type sensor and its demosaicing artifacts.First off, the megapixel race WILL end. THere is no point in sampling more then about 80 lines per milimeter and that means about 200 pixels per mm. For a 24mm frame that means 4800 pixels across the long ways. After that there is no point. So if you have a full frame (36mm x 24mm) sensor that is about 35MP there is nothing to be gained with more pixels. Actually I doubt they will go past 24MP in consumer cameras.
A Bayer-type sensor is relatively inefficient because the pixels for each of the primary colors are co-located on the same plane. A Bayer sensor's total photosite area is about 1/3 that of a Foveon sensor. In the future there may be entirely new sensor technologies using more exotic materials and boasting higher packing densities.THere is a limit to how much you can reduce noise. The limit is because light comes in packets call photons and photons are random events. Current CCDs are close to the limit there is nothing like a 10X factor of improvement left we are already close to counting photons. The way you imprve noise and dynamic range is by making the pixels larger. Market forces want to drive the pixels smaller. My guess is that there forces will balance at about a 24MP full frame sensor. When this happens digital will match the best film for image quality.
I saw this when it first came out. I nearly had a heart attack. And I don't even like rangefinders. I use a 30 year old+ cannon SLR (AE-1) but not much can compare to the quality, both in the build and in the pictures, of a leica. When I win the lottery, this will be one my first purchases. And if you're nice to me I might buy you too
I know about the problem with the too thin IR filter in front of the CCD. I don't know if it has been fixed, or if you still are eligible to get two filters for free.I love rangefinders, and while I'm a contax guy, the M8 looks nice. Still, there were serious color cast & IR issues with the camera, which were fixed by Leica by putting a filter in front of the lens. Do you know if this has changed in the newer production cameras or are you still required to use these filters?