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chambrial

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Hello everyone,
I am submitting a problem under El Capitan Mac pro 3.1, I cannot reinstall El Capitan from a bootable usb. It is the same via Recovery.
In Recovery mode when it connects to Appstore with my identifier an error type 403 forbidden during the signature phase of my account. While I can connect very well to this account. And it annoys me .....
When I create a bootable key with the install file coming from the apple site and with their method everything is fine. I restart in alt mode, I see the boot menu, the key is there ok. I click on it, the screen goes gray and the machine seems to take it into account but hop it brings me back to the desktop of my hard drive under El Capitan.

Any idea?
Thank you
Have a good day everyone
Olivier
 
Post the configuration of your 3,1. Is it original HDD and graphics card?
 
Hello Bigwaff, it's not the original HDD and graphics card.

My last test are when I create a bootable key with the install file from the Apple site and with their method everything is fine. I restart in alt mode, I see the boot menu, the key is there ok. I click on it, the screen turns gray and the machine seems to take it into account but it brings me back to the desktop of my hard drive running El Capitan.

I used this one:

sudo /Applications/Install\ OS\ X\ El\ Capitan.app/Contents/Resources/createinstallmedia --volume /Volumes/MyVolume --applicationpath /Applications/Install\ OS\ X\ El\ Capitan.app


see: Creating a bootable installer for macOS - Apple Support (UK)

I tried again with Recovery and the result is still the same. After reaching the phase where I have to enter my Apple ID and password, the following message is displayed:

"An unexpected error occurred while signing in. The server gave an error during download: 403 Forbidden."

Thanks for your help
Best regards
Olivier


Configuration:
Model: MacPro 3,1

BootROM MP31.006C.B05

OS X El Capitan version 15G22010

8 processors, Quad-Core Intel Xeon, 2,8 GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon

SMC 1.25f4

Not originale graphic card
Graphics: ATI Radeon HD 5870, ATI Radeon HD 5870, PCIe, 1024 MB

Type : Contrôle du moniteur
ATI Radeon HD 5870 :

Nom : ATY,Uakari
Type : Contrôleur du moniteur
Gestionnaire installé : Oui
MSI : Oui
Bus : PCI
Logement : Slot-1
Identifiant du fournisseur : 0x1002
Identifiant du périphérique : 0x6899
Identifiant du fournisseur du sous-système : 0x174b
Identifiant du sous-système : 0xe140
Identifiant de révision : 0x0000
Largeur du câble : x16
Vitesse de la liaison : 5.0 GT/s

Type : ATY,UakariParent
ATI Radeon HD 5870 :

Nom : ATY,UakariParent
Type : ATY,UakariParent
Gestionnaire installé : Non
MSI : Non
Bus : PCI
Logement : Slot-1
Identifiant du fournisseur : 0x1002
Identifiant du périphérique : 0xaa50
Identifiant du fournisseur du sous-système : 0x174b
Identifiant du sous-système : 0xaa50
Identifiant de révision : 0x0000
Largeur du câble : x16
Vitesse de la liaison : 5.0 GT/s

RAM Memory:
24 GB
Memory Module: DIMM Riser B/DIMM 1, 4 GB, DDR2 FB-DIMM, 667 MHz, 0x0198, 0x4B494E4753544F4E20202020202020202020
Memory Module: DIMM Riser B/DIMM 2, 4 GB, DDR2 FB-DIMM, 667 MHz, 0x0198, 0x4B494E4753544F4E20202020202020202020
Memory Module: DIMM Riser A/DIMM 1, 8 GB, DDR2 FB-DIMM, 667 MHz, 0x802C, 0x333648544631473732465A36363743314436
Memory Module: DIMM Riser A/DIMM 2, 8 GB, DDR2 FB-DIMM, 667 MHz, 0x802C, 0x333648544631473732465A36363743314436

Bluetooth: Version 4.4.6f4, 3 services, 17 devices, 1 incoming serial ports

Network Service: Ethernet 1, Ethernet, en0

PCI Card: PXS2, USB eXtensible Host Controller, Slot-2

PCI Card: ATI Radeon HD 5870, Display Controller, Slot-1
PCI Card: ATI Radeon HD 5870, ATY,UakariParent, Slot-1

Serial ATA Device: Crucial_CT256M550SSD1, 256,06 GB Os X El Capitan HD

Serial ATA Device: WDC WD10EARS-00Z5B1, 1 TB
Serial ATA Device: MAXTOR STM3500320AS, 500,11 GB
Serial ATA Device: WDC WD1003FZEX-00MK2A0, 1 TB

USB Device: USB Bus
USB Device: USB Bus
USB Device: USB Bus
USB Device: Bluetooth HCI
USB Device: USB Bus
USB Device: USB 2.0 Bus
USB Device: USB 2.0 Hub
USB Device: Keyboard Hub
USB Device: 2.4G Receiver
USB Device: Apple Keyboard
USB Device: USB 3.0 Bus

FireWire Device: built-in_hub, Up to 800 Mb/sec

Thunderbolt Bus:


 
Hello and thanks for your ideas.

I was finally able to reinstall OS X El Capitan under OS X El Capitan with a bootable key.

I don't know yet if it came from my key (16gb and which works as a USB support) but I remade a boot system on a key (32gb but I don't think the size is important beyond 16gb) and under a Terminal method (see tutorial Creating a bootable installer for macOS - Apple Support (FR)) with the command line:

sudo /Applications/Install\ OS\ X\ El\ Capitan.app/Contents/Resources/createinstallmedia --volume /Volumes/MyVolume --applicationpath /Applications/Install\ OS\ X\ El\ Capitan.app

I first disconnected my MP from the internet by unplugging the cable and changed the date in System Preferences (03/02/2018 here) and unchecked the automatic date setting.

Then I applied the method to create my key. The DMG is that of version 15G31. (I don't know if this matters)

The Mac Os X DMG was put in the trash and deleted.

Once finished I restarted with the alt key (Option). The boot menu displays the key. Click on it and the installation program starts. And normally goes to its end.

For info I tried to redo the installation with the key that works but having reconnected the ethernet cable and put the connection and the normal date back.

The installation cannot complete. A message appears at the end of the installation:

"Unable to verify this copy of the Install OS X El Capitan application. It may have been damaged or altered during installation."

However, it is still impossible to install via Recovery and therefore the internet, the result is always the same:

"An unexpected error occurred while signing in. The server gave an error during download: 403 Forbidden."

A user ( Djams ) suggested two hypotheses to me:

1-a problem related to my box: blaklisted error of my IP. (quite possible)

2-by an interesting repost that gave me an idea to get around the problem by going through a local server where the installer would be stored, therefore to configure my machine so that in mode N at startup it goes to the server. (I summarize) And can install it. But I am not savvy enough to try, you have to create a local subnet with another machine that can act as a server if I have followed a little.

Here is the result of this research.

Thank you and have a nice day

Olivier

PS: to complete and open to other old OS here are 3 points to read carefully:


- How to fix an error that occurs when you want to install old versions of Mac OS X on necessarily old Macs that do not support the latest Mac OS X Sierra or Yosemite. The error occurs when launching the application, indicating for example with El Capitan "Unable to verify this copy of the Install OS X El Capitan application. It may have been damaged or altered during installation." To correct this, the solution is very simple and as strange as it may seem, just set your Mac to the release date and time of the system you want to install.

For El Capitan it is: January 9, 2016 at 8:00 p.m.

For OS X Mavericks: October 22, 2013 at 8:00 p.m.

For OS X Yosemite: October 16, 2014 at 8:00 p.m.

Disconnect the internet first.

Go to "Utilities" then "Terminal" and enter in this order:

date {month}{day}{hour}{minute}{year}

Example: date 0318125013

Then validate by pressing "Enter".

Or in System Preferences uncheck the automatic date setting, and change the date and time.


- Disable SIP just in case.

System Integrity Protection (SIP)

To disable SIP, restart your Mac on the recovery partition, holding down the ⌘ and R keys at startup. Launch the Terminal with the Utilities > Terminal menu, then type the command:

csrutil disable

The message Successfully disabled System Integrity Protection. Please restart the machine for the changes to take effect should appear to confirm the operation.

Restart your Mac: SIP is now disabled. For the sake of it, you can always check it in the Terminal with the command:

csrutil status

The message System Integrity Protection status: disabled appears.

To reactivate SIP. After restarting your Mac on the recovery partition and launching the Terminal, this time enter the following command:

csrutil enable

- if you want to downgrade your OS, i.e. go from El Capitan to Yosemite on your HD, before finalizing the installation you will have to go through Utilities - Disk Utility and erase the disk on which El Capitan is located otherwise the installer will refuse to do it by indicating
 
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