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MP 7,1 UK 2019 Mac Pro desirability?
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You don’t mention any prices…..
Personally I have been very tempted with the iPowerResale models (even with shipping to the UK they are darn cheap).
But in reality I don’t really need it….🥲
Personally I have been very tempted with the iPowerResale models (even with shipping to the UK they are darn cheap).
But in reality I don’t really need it….🥲
First off. If you do decide to get this, the 8TB SSD is perhaps the most important part. All other parts are easily upgradable to some extent. The SSD is not so easy. Because of extremely limited supply, (and price?).
Apple sells a different version for the AS SSD, which is more square, and does not fit in the Intel machine.
I see Amazon.se selling the 8TB SSD kit, with no discount.
I did pick up a brand new kit on ebay for about half the price, compared to the price Apple had when it still sold the kits in Sweden. Actually for less than I paid Apple for the 4TB upgrade kit.
The Vega II card has thunderbolt/usb-c, which can drive your DIY 5k Display 👍. The 580X can not with the two hdmi ports.
Why do you say this❓You can easily add a myriad of M.2 SSDs with PCI Cards or 2.5" SSDs with an internal cage👍🏻
Lou
It is possible, but has also caused a lot of issues for many users.
The proprietary Apple SSDs are fully functional without any issues. So that is my reasoning, as to why they might be very important for some users. But I am not claiming everyone cares how large the Apple SSD storage is.
Personally I would never purchase a unit with only 256GB storage. And in the Mac Pro, I want as much as I can get.
Do you not agree that potential users should be aware of the options available for the Intel Mac Pro 7.1?
^^^^Of course they should. I was just asking why you stressed that the "SSD was the most important part"? IMHO, It's not very important for the reasons I stated in my post above. I have had my 7,1 NcMP for over four years and have no issues with SSDs. I have a total of ten SSDs in my Mac. Six are on PCI cards, three are in a cage, and the Apple one. All my SSDs except the Apple and Samsung.
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Lou
edited my answer, as I should have been more polite.
So here is one video that might be useful? It is a base Mac Pro with the 8-core Xeon. A far cry from the 16 or 28 cores.
The 8-core can't run the installed memory at full speed
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Maybe two years of OS support? That is the key issue IMO. Lovely computers though. To run Win 11 later on may be involved too.
IMO it's the Mac supported GPUs and MPX modules and the Apple specific SSDs which are the serious issue.
And nobody has any way to make a W7900 Radeon Pro work in MacOS. So it is no alternative other than going to Windows in the end.
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All machines will reach end of support at some date. Even the M-series. But they can still be used, as proven by all the users who have 10+ year old machines.
The Mac Pro can also have very large hard disks for back-up and act as a file server.
Any Apple silicon machine will not give us the option to add to the storage capacity internally. So how long service will they provide?
Seems to me that most are sold with 256 GB up to 1 TB storage capacity. Hence, external storage options will be required in those cases. Perhaps a Mac Pro will provide that
The Intel Mac Pro long term options is one reason why I feel it is desirable. At the comparably low price levels it is starting to be offered at.
There are other reasons as well, but as we all know. People have different ideas of what is valuable to them, and varying compute and storage needs.
The Mac Pro can also have very large hard disks for back-up and act as a file server.
Any Apple silicon machine will not give us the option to add to the storage capacity internally. So how long service will they provide?
Seems to me that most are sold with 256 GB up to 1 TB storage capacity. Hence, external storage options will be required in those cases. Perhaps a Mac Pro will provide that
The Intel Mac Pro long term options is one reason why I feel it is desirable. At the comparably low price levels it is starting to be offered at.
There are other reasons as well, but as we all know. People have different ideas of what is valuable to them, and varying compute and storage needs.
You must be a Jedi. That's literally why we bought a Mac Pro 7,1 almost 4 years ago for business use, with vaguely similar spec to your ownAll machines will reach end of support at some date. Even the M-series. But they can still be used, as proven by all the users who have 10+ year old machines.
The Mac Pro can also have very large hard disks for back-up and act as a file server.
Any Apple silicon machine will not give us the option to add to the storage capacity internally. So how long service will they provide?
Seems to me that most are sold with 256 GB up to 1 TB storage capacity. Hence, external storage options will be required in those cases. Perhaps a Mac Pro will provide that
The Intel Mac Pro long term options is one reason why I feel it is desirable. At the comparably low price levels it is starting to be offered at.
There are other reasons as well, but as we all know. People have different ideas of what is valuable to them, and varying compute and storage needs.
Hoping it can last 10 years plus. Time flies!
I had issues with nvme ssd drives but it seems to be fixed in sequoia macOS.
For Australia I had to pay an import duty when it arrived.
FedEx was used for shipping and they were excellent with full tracking. FedEx took care of the duty and then I reimbursed them.
Could you give me a ballpark figure…..
Is it based on local VAT/Tax rates..?
Don’t want to get a bill for an additional £500 if the import duty is based on original price.
For me it was 10% - this is based on local regulations.
Anything above AUD$1000 will attract that import duty.
For the UK, it would be your VAT or value added tax, at a minimum I would guess. If you have import taxes or duties, it might incur an extra cost. You could always ask both the courier company, or the customs people.
No service or official support if not sold in your own country. Unless its brand new - then service for the warranty period, but AppleCare is not available if purchased from another country (ie the UK I guess). After than warranty period, no support.
The complication is with a video card and the base Apple SSD drive I presume. Apple would repair / replace one if it fails. But if its from another country, they would not IMO. The video cards from Apple for the 7,1 are no longer available from Apple. Third party ones run though - but I do not know if they are just pop in the slot and they'll work in the 7,1 - I don't know that. 7 series AMDs also are not supported. I presume in Windows, no such restrictions. Win 11 has some issues though.
I like the 7,1 because of its quality, the still powerful CPUs with lots of threads, its OS (Mac has two years to go make?) and also because I have a PCIe RAID card that would love to be in a 7,1.
No service or official support if not sold in your own country. Unless its brand new - then service for the warranty period, but AppleCare is not available if purchased from another country (ie the UK I guess). After than warranty period, no support.
The complication is with a video card and the base Apple SSD drive I presume. Apple would repair / replace one if it fails. But if its from another country, they would not IMO. The video cards from Apple for the 7,1 are no longer available from Apple. Third party ones run though - but I do not know if they are just pop in the slot and they'll work in the 7,1 - I don't know that. 7 series AMDs also are not supported. I presume in Windows, no such restrictions. Win 11 has some issues though.
I like the 7,1 because of its quality, the still powerful CPUs with lots of threads, its OS (Mac has two years to go make?) and also because I have a PCIe RAID card that would love to be in a 7,1.
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In Windows the newer ones will work, provided they physically fit inside the Mac Pro.
In MacOS, limited to outdated/superseded AMD GPUs. Anything newer won't work and nobody can do anything to solve that problem. Maybe when the 5,1 Mac Pros all start failing from extreme old age that might change, someone may find a way to address the situation, who knows.
I have a second 2019 mac Pro still under Apple Care so I expect if anything happens it should be possible to get it fixed while in that period.
It’s probably not for me then…….
With 20% VAT + import costs, it increases the price a good 30%.
I was only tempted by ‘shiny things’ as it appeared a bargain (which it would definitely be if I lived in the US).
I don't know though - I'm in Australia.It’s probably not for me then…….
With 20% VAT + import costs, it increases the price a good 30%.
I was only tempted by ‘shiny things’ as it appeared a bargain (which it would definitely be if I lived in the US).
I would have thought the courier company would tell you before you bought.
It's a bit annoying really ... you could fly to the USA and bring a notebook back without any extra charges ... you could probably put a 5,1 in your case and declare it, and bring a 7,1 back instead.
... oh, I picked up the wrong one!!
Not so easy from Australia, our airfares to the USA are very costly. As is the huge shipping cost. Yet from Europe our shipping costs are comparatively cheap. In Australia they also put the duty on top of the shipping charge ...
I reckon that seller might be able to tell you as well ... I know with B&H purchases, the tell you your net $Aus delivered to one's door ...
I am posting this comment in this thread, because it is related to the desire for support of newer GPUs.
There was a thread calling for a petition asking Apple to provide drivers for RDNA cards, 3 weeks ago.
But it looks to me that the whole thread has been removed. How did this happen?
Did we break some macrumors policy? I have not received any message from macrumors, no word on the thread being deleted, along with my comments there.
Can the OP have the discussion removed, when others have commented? If we didn't violate any rule?
The petition has only 84 signatures, so a huge failure. But still? No reason to delete the discussion here, was it?
There was a thread calling for a petition asking Apple to provide drivers for RDNA cards, 3 weeks ago.
But it looks to me that the whole thread has been removed. How did this happen?
Did we break some macrumors policy? I have not received any message from macrumors, no word on the thread being deleted, along with my comments there.
Can the OP have the discussion removed, when others have commented? If we didn't violate any rule?
The petition has only 84 signatures, so a huge failure. But still? No reason to delete the discussion here, was it?
I have no idea. The thread was created to notify macrumors forum users that a petition had been created, with a link to the specific change.org page