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chicagofan00

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I preordered a new Ultra 2 in black and received it on 9/20 without any issues. I then preceded to turn off Find My on my old Ultra 2, wipe it, boxed it up, and sent it off to Apple as I normally do as a part of the trade-in program. Then on 10/10 I get an email from Apple saying that my trade-in credit has been reduced to zero with the reason being “data erasure unsuccessful”. My only option at that point was to either accept the adjusted value or decline and have the device sent back to me in the same condition it was received by them. I know for a fact I performed all the necessary steps to wipe the device prior to sending it in so I rejected the adjusted offer and asked for it to be sent back to me thinking I could just turn around and sell it privately instead. Fast forward to today and I get the watch back only to see that the entire backside of the watch is now smashed as if it had been hit with a hammer.

I called Apple and explained to them that this was not the condition I noted the watch being in when I sent it off to them. I also asked if it was received damaged by them then why wasn’t the reason for the trade in credit being adjusted noted as damaged rather than “data erasure unsuccessful”? The individual I spoke to over the phone was sympathetic and agreed that the damage looked odd and said he escalated the matter to management and they were opening an investigation.

Well not more than 3hrs later I get a follow up email that says “It has been determined that no damage occurred to the device during shipment to Apple, or during its return shipment to you. Therefore, we cannot accept liability where condition of delivery has been confirmed.”

I’m at a loss of what to do now. This is clearly a matter of my word against theirs and I’ve obviously now learned that photos and videos of any trade-in device will need to be done to very carefully document the condition the device is in when sending it out, but if find this very disheartening given that I treat all my devices with the utmost care and have never damaged a single iPhone or watch going back to the first version of each.

Anyone else have a similar experience and was successful in getting the proper trade-in credit applied? Apple of course has already charged me back for the device credit that was initially given at the time of purchase.
 

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sunapple

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That's insane! The first thing I'm thinking, are you able to determine that this is in fact your device and not swapped by mistake?

Their reply "no damage occurred during shipment" does not indicate whether it had damage or not while it was in their possession, which makes it a useless statement.
 
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chicagofan00

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That's insane! The first thing I'm thinking, are you able to determine that this is in fact your device and not swapped by mistake?

Their reply "no damage occurred during shipment" does not indicate whether it had damage or not while it was in their possession, which makes it a useless statement.
I did check the serial number and it does in fact match the one I traded in.

Agree that this surely seems as though it was damaged in their possession. Almost as if sometime took a hammer to the back of it. I can’t speak for the condition the box was in when they received the device but the box it came in back to me was in perfect condition without any damage so it doesn’t seem to have been damage that occurred in transit back to me.
 

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I did check the serial number and it does in fact match the one I traded in.

Agree that this surely seems as though it was damaged in their possession. Almost as if sometime took a hammer to the back of it. I can’t speak for the condition the box was in when they received the device but the box it came in back to me was in perfect condition without any damage so it doesn’t seem to have been damage that occurred in transit back to me.
In the same way it would be safe to assume they also received a box without huge damage, that would be standard procedure. This kind of damage looks like it was dropped, I've seen similar damage in pictures.

That leaves the kind of insane scenario where an Apple employee opened the box, dropped and broke the Watch, didn't act on it in any way and then maybe someone else repackaged it without asking questions.

Very curious if someone might have had a similar experience. Not sure what to do other than to escalate again and repeat your story. Not damaged by you, no damage during shipping, leaves one option.
 

Beards

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Legal assistance will only enrich the lawyer. There is little you can do. If you took images while packing it up for shipment a second call might be worth it but it is your word vs theirs.
I disagree. Whilst lawyers can be a greedy option it depends on who you contact. I had a case a few years back with an expensive camera and a camera company that took them in for cash. I declined their offer and it came back defective and the company refused blame. The solicitor I spoke with in the UK charged me £50 to write two letters (one to the company CEO and one to the companies law firm). My solicitor got it all sorted by the end of the week. Yes, it cost me £50 but he not only got me my money for the camera but an additional £200 as compensation……. Which take away the £50 I was still £150 in pocket AND the full amount for my £3000 camera.
 

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I disagree. Whilst lawyers can be a greedy option it depends on who you contact. I had a case a few years back with an expensive camera and a camera company that took them in for cash. I declined their offer and it came back defective and the company refused blame. The solicitor I spoke with in the UK charged me £50 to write two letters (one to the company CEO and one to the companies law firm). My solicitor got it all sorted by the end of the week. Yes, it cost me £50 but he not only got me my money for the camera but an additional £200 as compensation……. Which take away the £50 I was still £150 in pocket AND the full amount for my £3000 camera.
Lawyers love people like you!
 

steve123

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Escalate the matter all the way to Tim Cook if you have to. Apple's return system is contracted out to third parties and there does not appear to be any quality controls in place. I returned an iPad Pro on trade in and Apple's return processor did the same thing, offered me zero or return it. They said there was burn in but there was none. It seems as if the return processor has a financial incentive to reject returns.
 

axantas

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This just convices me to never ever use the Apple Trade-In program. If I look at the watches, the way we treat them and discussions from users here, I am absolutely sure, no one of the members would ever do this to their watches.

Someone just treated the watch with a hammer.

Just out of interest: What does it look at the dial side?
 

chicagofan00

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Escalate the matter all the way to Tim Cook if you have to. Apple's return system is contracted out to third parties and there does not appear to be any quality controls in place. I returned an iPad Pro on trade in and Apple's return processor did the same thing, offered me zero or return it. They said there was burn in but there was none. It seems as if the return processor has a financial incentive to reject returns.
I called Apple Support and was told the decision was final and no further escalation could be done and was also denied the opportunity to speak with a manager. After that call I sent an email to Tim so we’ll see if anything comes from that.
This just convices me to never ever use the Apple Trade-In program. If I look at the watches, the way we treat them and discussions from users here, I am absolutely sure, no one of the members would ever do this to their watches.

Someone just treated the watch with a hammer.

Just out of interest: What does it look at the dial side?
All other aspects of the watch have zero signs of damage and are in mint condition just as when it was originally in my possession prior to sending it in for trade-in. It’s very strange…
After hearing horror stories, I do my trade-ins in the store (not just Apple but anyone).
I will now likely be doing the same, that is if I even decide to stick with Apple Watches going forward. This leaves a pretty bad taste in my mouth and very little desire to upgrade again or get any additional Apple Watches for the family.
 

axantas

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I called Apple Support and was told the decision was final and no further escalation could be done and was also denied the opportunity to speak with a manager. After that call I sent an email to Tim so we’ll see if anything comes from that.

All other aspects of the watch have zero signs of damage and are in mint condition just as when it was originally in my possession prior to sending it in for trade-in. It’s very strange…

I will now likely be doing the same, that is if I even decide to stick with Apple Watches going forward. This leaves a pretty bad taste in my mouth and very little desire to upgrade again or get any additional Apple Watches for the family.

You willingly would have to bang the watch on concrete to damage it that way - maybe even several times to get that result.
 

chicagofan00

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You willingly would have to bang the watch on concrete to damage it that way - maybe even several times to get that result.
My thought as well. The damage was intentional and yet Apple is claiming no responsibility so far and it would appear that if nothing comes of my email to Tim, I am left with zero recourse.
 

BugeyeSTI

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Over the years reading about issues like the OP is having to deal with when trading in through the mail makes my decision to always trade in at an actual Apple Store seem justified. OP, hope you get this sorted out in a timely manner and a response from Tim Cooks executive team will definitely happen. They always respond to emails in my experience
 

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What a horror story. This is why I have the following procedure when trading in anything to any company, or selling something online:

1. Have the device turned off
2. From start to finish film the following in one go:
- switch the device on
- show it working
- show the exterior from all angles
- shut it down
- package it
- seal it
3. When handing off the package to the courier, film it as well.
4. Always use tracked shipping.

There you go, free useless words of wisdom after the fact 😉🤗

As for Apple: in my experience they always came up with a solution, as long as I was politely stubborn and persistent.
 

chicagofan00

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Over the years reading about issues like the OP is having to deal with when trading in through the mail makes my decision to always trade in at an actual Apple Store seem justified. OP, hope you get this sorted out in a timely manner and a response from Tim Cooks executive team will definitely happen. They always respond to emails in my experience
I’m hoping it will get satisfactorily resolved but we’ll see. Not too sure how long it takes to actually receive a response from the executive customer relations team but so far nothing as of this evening. I’ll give it another couple of days before trying my luck again.
What a horror story. This is why I have the following procedure when trading in anything to any company, or selling something online:

1. Have the device turned off
2. From start to finish film the following in one go:
- switch the device on
- show it working
- show the exterior from all angles
- shut it down
- package it
- seal it
3. When handing off the package to the courier, film it as well.
4. Always use tracked shipping.

There you go, free useless words of wisdom after the fact 😉🤗

As for Apple: in my experience they always came up with a solution, as long as I was politely stubborn and persistent.
I’ll definitely adjust my process for doing trade-ins going forward.
 

weather34

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another horrible experience dealing with apple services. those famous or familiar words “ escalate “ basically means your on a losing path no matter how honest you are . kind of makes me wonder if apple has an internal incentive program to employees to categorically reject any incident of transit damage. whilst i have had two poor experiences of dealing with apple services when a product develops an issue my case aiprods pro2 with only one connecting and iphone battery replacement both instances where product under warranty. your experience is becoming very common. apple products in last year’s are now becoming deemed as disposable items unfortunately . i hope you get a satisfactory outcome but unlikely a quick resolution will come your way just have to keep chasing and wether its in your nature to be a pain in the ass to get a satisfactory outcome is down to you.
 
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