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T Coma

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I’m rethinking whether or not to hold out for the assumed forthcoming big imac replacement.

TL; DR.

I stopped in a local apple store since my just-out-of-warranty ipad would not turn on. That turned out pretty well with a replacement ipad for $99.

But as often happens in the car biz, I was there getting some service work and I walked through the showroom “just to have a look.” There was a whole slew of those eye-rollingly pastel imacs lined up for the fashionable offices or kids or whoever is going to buy them, BUT... I made an unplanned stop and grabbed a yellow-tinted mouse.

Keep in mind I’ve been doing everything computer-related on the same i5 27” imac since 2011. So when that screen fired up, my eyes were lovingly assaulted by the most wonderful combination of color and resolution i think i’ve seen outside of a springtime arboretum with my new glasses on. And that was just the desktop. Each of the demo photos brought a new level of clarity and color it seemed. Ok apple, the picture is pretty but I need a work machine. I opened up a handful of apps which seemed to open and be ready just a nanosecond before i completed the click on the mouse (including Pixelmator Pro - is that included software now?) which was pretty impressive speed but again, remember where i’m coming from.

So I needed a test that i could compare to my trusty old workhorse at home. The majority of common apps I use at home for work and play, like office suites, browsers, pixelmator, sketchup, and other typical media apps work fine and entirely fast enough even on the old imac, at least with its user-modified SSD and RAM. The real test for me would be video compiling or converting or whatever you call it. I’ve used imovie and handbrake enough to know that video-crunching really taxes my mid-2011 by measure of heat, time, and system monitor details. But really - time. I opened imovie, in less than a heartbeat of course, and performed by non scientific test by converting one of the included 60 second “projects” to a MOV file at 1080p and high quality vs fastest speed. Took a total of 11 seconds. (side note: i tried the same on a new mba which took 14 sec., both were 8/8/8 machines.) When i got home i performed the same “test” with a 60 second project i had in my imovie library which took 54 seconds. Of course i was not surprised that it was faster, but it was a good hands-on / real-world example of the improvement that *I* would see in daily use. These benchmark tests that everyone touts are a bit like car horsepower numbers: looks good on paper, but what does it get me on the track? I’ve thoroughly embarrassed guys with big hp euro machines with my little japanese appliances before, so I understand it ain’t just about the engine output.

Since my current setup software is restricted by OS limitations, and the increasing amount of consumer level video “work” I do, i figured i would wait until a big change mac replacement comes out and then reasonably load that up for heavier use and future proofing. But after plinking around a bit on a new M1 24”, I’m questioning that plan. Maybe this one is good enough. Other than workspace size, how much better will it be? For these kinds of applications, where does that law of diminishing returns kick in? The old tank is still chugging away so I don’t have to make that call yet, but I might need to reconsider.
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Krevnik

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including Pixelmator Pro - is that included software now?

It isn’t, but Apple includes demo builds of many apps from third parties. Those third parties provide the demo builds every so often to be pre-loaded on these machines in the store.
 

Spindel

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If you are running a 2011 iMac the M1 absolutley crushes it (as long as the software you need works on it).

Trust me I came from a 2013 iMac 27” with a GTX780M. My M1 mini obliterates it both in CPU and GPU performance. But of course as always in computers something faster always looms at the horisont.
 

FSMBP

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If you are running a 2011 iMac the M1 absolutley crushes it (as long as the software you need works on it).

Trust me I came from a 2013 iMac 27” with a GTX780M. My M1 mini obliterates it both in CPU and GPU performance. But of course as always in computers something faster always looms at the horisont.

Not doubting that the OP's 2011 iMac is significantly sluggish compared to the M1, but your 2013 iMac performance vs. M1 is interesting. Other poster's have said the opposite:


I wonder how people setup their Macs (clean, migration asst., etc.) has anything to do with it.
 

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It's such a pleasure to read a well-written post like yours. I had a knowing laugh at "color and resolution i think i’ve seen outside of a springtime arboretum with my new glasses on."

My two cents about your decision is within a few months we're likely to start seeing sales from resellers on these iMacs, so perhaps the timing will be in line with your readiness to buy the new machine you deserve. Let us know how it goes.
 
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Spindel

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Not doubting that the OP's 2011 iMac is significantly sluggish compared to the M1, but your 2013 iMac performance vs. M1 is interesting. Other poster's have said the opposite:


I wonder how people setup their Macs (clean, migration asst., etc.) has anything to do with it.
Well I just restored my M1 Mini from a TM backup from my iMac.

The M1 Mini is much faster, more responsive and cooler. I have my excel sheet of death that is one bench mark I try and it updates in around 7 min on the iMac and about 2 min on the M1.

AutoCAD runs smoother even under Rosetta.

OneDrive runs exactly as bad on M1 as it did on intel.

Only game I play is Civ 6 late game round times are very much faster on M1 than the imac can also play on better graphics settings. This is under rosetta.

Aside from this there are loads of benchmarks (cinebench, geekbench, specview etc) that shows that the M1 stomps 2013 iMacs in everything except max ram size (i had 24 GB in my iMac)
 

Fomalhaut

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OneDrive runs exactly as bad on M1 as it did on intel.
???

long time onedrive user
I moved to OneDrive from Dropbox because of the latter's pricing a storage-tiering strategy (huge price increase for an unnecessarily large storage allowance).

I persevered with OneDrive, I really did, but the desktop client just runs so atrociously badly on a Mac, that I had to give up in frustration. I takes 3-5 minutes just to log in FFS.... and if you need to sync more than a few thousand files it locks up for days...with no end in sight.

I now only use it for online only storage (as archive), where it's actually not too shabby via a web-interface. It does have API throttling issue if you use other client software such as CyberDuck, so you can't treat it the same way as a hard disk.

If Dropbox offered a 500GB-1TB tier at a competitive price (< 30-50% premium on OneDrive & Google Drive), then I would go back to them. They stubbornly refuse to do these because they want to sell 2TB storage that few people will use, and then sell the unused capacity to new customers. A pure money grab.
 

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I moved to OneDrive from Dropbox because of the latter's pricing a storage-tiering strategy (huge price increase for an unnecessarily large storage allowance).

I persevered with OneDrive, I really did, but the desktop client just runs so atrociously badly on a Mac, that I had to give up in frustration. I takes 3-5 minutes just to log in FFS.... and if you need to sync more than a few thousand files it locks up for days...with no end in sight.

I now only use it for online only storage (as archive), where it's actually not too shabby via a web-interface. It does have API throttling issue if you use other client software such as CyberDuck, so you can't treat it the same way as a hard disk.

If Dropbox offered a 500GB-1TB tier at a competitive price (< 30-50% premium on OneDrive & Google Drive), then I would go back to them. They stubbornly refuse to do these because they want to sell 2TB storage that few people will use, and then sell the unused capacity to new customers. A pure money grab.
Have you tried using Transmit 5 to log into and use Onedrive? I have found it is fast and works very well. Granted, I haven't tried to sync a thousand files at once but, it I worth a look.
 

Lord Hamsa

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Real-world data here from my M1 MBP - the only time I've ever even noticed the fan kick on was during a Handbrake encode, and even then I had to put my ear up to the hinge to really hear it. I didn't take any speed metrics, but it was way faster than my old 2013 MBP Retina. Then again, 7 years difference, it better have been way faster. It was the low power draw that was the real surprise, barely any heat generated at all.
 
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Spindel

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long time onedrive user

I moved to OneDrive from Dropbox because of the latter's pricing a storage-tiering strategy (huge price increase for an unnecessarily large storage allowance).

I persevered with OneDrive, I really did, but the desktop client just runs so atrociously badly on a Mac, that I had to give up in frustration. I takes 3-5 minutes just to log in FFS.... and if you need to sync more than a few thousand files it locks up for days...with no end in sight.

I now only use it for online only storage (as archive), where it's actually not too shabby via a web-interface. It does have API throttling issue if you use other client software such as CyberDuck, so you can't treat it the same way as a hard disk.

If Dropbox offered a 500GB-1TB tier at a competitive price (< 30-50% premium on OneDrive & Google Drive), then I would go back to them. They stubbornly refuse to do these because they want to sell 2TB storage that few people will use, and then sell the unused capacity to new customers. A pure money grab.
Well it is atleast comforting that OneDrive is just as bad on Windows :)

My work issued windows laptop tries really hard to ignite itself both with OneDrive and Teams.
 

4sallypat

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My M1 iMac just blows away any Intel iMac I have ever owned!
Just started using Final Cut Pro (Pro Apps Bundle)...

24" Retina screen is more than enough - I use it with a second display: 24" non Retina Apple Cinema Display and it's just perfect for everyday use.
IMG_7368.jpg
 

T Coma

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I now only use it for online only storage (as archive), where it's actually not too shabby via a web-interface.
same here. it’s one of my redundant photo backups - can’t really overdo it when saving home photos / videos.

the office365 deal is hard to beat, especially the full home option. I pay $60-80 / year depending on the deal i can find, and that’s for 6 people to use the most updated ms office suite plus 1 TB of storage per person. And an hour of skype per month, which is useful for us with relatives in that country that can’t be mentioned.
 
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