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ovbacon

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I'm seeing some issues in multiple threads but I am wondering if there are actual "showstoppers"?! Both my mini M2 and my MBA M1 are used for business and so are important to be fully functional.

I couldn't really find a thread that laid out what is working great and what is not working or is buggy or is plain broken.

Any real insight into what is not working properly in 14 would be highly appreciated.
 

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I've liked updating the OS for all the obvious reasons of added abilities and security updates. I'm not worried about specific software as much as the basic stuff like the calendar, mail, web browsers etc etc... of course if there are specific 3rd party applications that are broken it would be awesome to know but many of those tend to be on it pretty quick.
 

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don't do it!........ unless you want to.

every single version of mac os (and os x before it) has issues, some of those more serious for some users. there's no 'perfect moment' to upgrade, you just decide when you're ready (and everything is first backed up), then life goes on...
 

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don't do it!........ unless you want to.

every single version of mac os (and os x before it) has issues, some of those more serious for some users. there's no 'perfect moment' to upgrade, you just decide when you're ready (and everything is first backed up), then life goes on...
I guess I was just wondering if there were any more major issues with it.... there were some rumblings about that they pretty much shipped out the last beta that had a ton of bugs still.
 

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If your laptop is for business work always rely on the old saying. If it’s not broke, don’t fix it.
It is broken (unfixed security issues) so you have to update.


Apple: "not all known security issues are addressed in previous versions."

This document describes the security content of macOS Sonoma 14.
 
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CalMin

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I tried it on my couch surfing laptop first and it seemed fine, so I upgraded my two other Macs that I use for business. So far so good. The screen sharing is both much improved, and a little glitchy, but that might be related to my setup. My dock reset to default (i.e. lost all my apps and settings) on one Mac and I was able to restore from a .plist file from a recent backup.

Overall, I think it's safe to go in the water. Mind you, I wouldn't have done it without a full backup that I could roll back to or without a backup Windows box that I can still use to get work done if I had to get up and running quickly due to a bricked Mac.

If your life depends on a fully working Mac, then wait until 14.2 or 14.3.
 
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NastyNatex

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It is broken (unfixed security issues) so you have to update.


Apple: "not all known security issues are addressed in previous versions."

This document describes the security content of macOS Sonoma 14.

Yes, but if you’re using it for business use. You would want to update an already stable operating system. Don’t upgrade to a fresh new os where even more problems can arise. This advice is only for business use case. Once again if it’s not broke, don’t fix it.
 

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"Business use" = web browser? Or what, exactly?

"Business use" for me means Safari, Chrome (Google Workspace), Outlook, Zoom, Messages, BBEdit, MS Office. Everything is fine on M1 Air and M1 mini.

People read "business use" as mission critical backend ops super secret cannot fail $1B business fails and stocks crash if this laptop hangs. C'mon now, really?
 

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"Business use" = web browser? Or what, exactly?

"Business use" for me means Safari, Chrome (Google Workspace), Outlook, Zoom, Messages, BBEdit, MS Office. Everything is fine on M1 Air and M1 mini.

People read "business use" as mission critical backend ops super secret cannot fail $1B business fails and stocks crash if this laptop hangs. C'mon now, really?
I'm not really sure why you are responding so condescending.... But yes everything basic like mail, web, zoom, office applications, database applications, financial applications, design applications and more and our businesses are not multi billion dollar but they are multi million dollar. So for things to work would be good. Of course there are multiple failsafes as in backups etc, but it would be nice not to have to deal with added issues and try to revert back etc etc.

So in this instance it is critical for our finances and piece of mind but also for multiple other organizations and even for a whole area with multiple communities where we deal with wildfire safety work to have our workflow run smooth...
 

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I've found it works fine. There are some annoyances, but nothing show stopping or preventing me from using my computer. But I did a clean install of Ventura the night before and then upgraded, so that probably helped. I always recommend a clean install.
 

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I usually wait to .1
A new OS, isn't such a thrill anymore. Widgets, wow - I'm not drooling for it.

But I appreciate all of you who are beta-testers up to .1 that usually are much more stable.
 
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k27

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Yes, but if you’re using it for business use. You would want to update an already stable operating system. Don’t upgrade to a fresh new os where even more problems can arise. This advice is only for business use case. Once again if it’s not broke, don’t fix it.
Well, your advice is right for other operating systems. For Apple, such a statement is critical.
For serious Linux distributions and for Windows, you get a commitment from the manufacturer to support legacy versions and you also get security updates accordingly. You don't get that with Apple. Or where do you find a clear roadmap at Apple, like at Redhat (1) or Microsoft etc.? You won't find any promises at Apple. Apple is more like a toy company or lifestyle company when it comes to Macs.

With Apple, you have to make a choice: Security updates or stability (=> **) of the old system. With others, you have both.
This is a topic for vulnerability management, patch management and risk management in a company.

(**) You can also risk data loss, like in the past, when the Apple Filesystem APFS had a serious Bug and the needed update received just the new macOS-Version. There were people who were affected.
"As I wrote there: “APFS is but one example of a critical sub-system that loses all support once Apple releases a new version of macOS.”

"One of the great reliefs of upgrading from High Sierra was moving away from the early bugs in APFS. It didn’t even support Fusion Drives because of its bugs!"



And then you talk about stability?


"Mark Josh Long’s words: “macOS Mojave is — and presumably always will be — vulnerable to the “FORCEDENTRY” bug that has been actively exploited by the Pegasus spyware.” What other actively exploited bugs are Big Sur and Monterey now vulnerable to? What bugs remain in their old versions of APFS, Time Machine, or anything else in the system that could result in data loss?

Making these decisions is always a gamble. Although I well understand you might feel more reassured by waiting a couple of weeks to ensure there are no showstoppers that might make upgrading unwise, delaying beyond the first update brings ever-increasing risk. That’s no longer a risk I’m prepared to take: I put my production Mac where my mouth is, and upgraded it to Ventura on the day of its release, followed rapidly by my other Macs."



(1)
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(2)
Some examples from the past (there are more):


For example, Apple sometimes fixes actively exploited vulnerabilities for one OS but not others that it ostensibly supports. Some additional details are here

Apple’s Poor Patching Policies Potentially Make Users’ Security and Privacy Precarious
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"Here’s a ridiculously tall chart showing everything #Apple’s said (so far) has been patched in #iOS/iPadOS since 14.8’s release, for 15.x, 14.x, and 12.x. Seems evident that #iOS15, like #macOSMonterey, is getting the most patches and is a safer choice than its predecessors."
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Apple isn’t actually patching all the security holes in older versions of macOS
Big Sur got a fix 234 days before Catalina did, although both are supported.

"Apple has chosen to leave an estimated 35–40% of all supported Macs in danger of actively exploited vulnerabilities."
"Update: After 6.5 weeks—and significant public pressure resulting from this article—Apple finally released patches for macOS Big Sur and macOS Catalina on May 16 that address these actively exploited vulnerabilities."
 
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saudor

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unless you’re a big target, you’ll be fine waiting a few weeks. for the average joe, no one is going to use pegasus to see their instagram pictures with 803 filters and doggo ears.

otherwise all those people on android would have been insta screwed.
 
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