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Speed38

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I should have asked this question before now.

I am headed out in 3 hours to do a home visit with a senior with a 2011 MB Pro running El Capitan who has purchased a new 13” M2 MB Pro.

Anything “special” I need to pay attention to?

My plan was first to have her set up her new MB Pro, restart it, attach the TimeMachine with her most recent backup and then run Migration Assistant and migrate her data.

Many thanks.
 

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My plan was first to have her set up her new MB Pro, restart it, attach the TimeMachine with her most recent backup and then run Migration Assistant and migrate her data.
Don't do this. You want to import the data as part of the initial startup. If you make an account, then run Migration Assistant, you will likely have permissions problems.


Read the pink section of this web page for an explanation.
 

Speed38

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Agree. Wireless takes forever. So, you are suggesting having her open the M2, run through the setup windows, and when she get to the [Migrate Data] window, she should attach her TM HD to the M2 and choose to migrate data from a TM backup. Would you please confirm that I have that right...and thanks for offering your insight.
 

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Agree. Wireless takes forever. So, you are suggesting having her open the M2, run through the setup windows, and when she get to the [Migrate Data] window, she should attach her TM HD to the M2 and choose to migrate data from a TM backup. Would you please confirm that I have that right...and thanks for offering your insight.
Exactly right.
 
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Speed38

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Reporting back - We connected the TM HD with the backup from her 2011 MB Pro running El Capitan to the M2 MB Pro, ran through the setup windows for the M2, chose to migrate data from the TM backup and about 30' later, the M2 reported [Migration Completed] and she was inputting her admin password to log into her new M2. It would appear - so far - that the jump from El Capitan on an Intel machine to Monterey on an M2 MB Pro went just fine!
Question: what does she do with her TM HD? It is formatted macOS Extended. Does she erase it, reformat it to AFPS and then set it to running again?
 

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Reporting back - We connected the TM HD with the backup from her 2011 MB Pro running El Capitan to the M2 MB Pro, ran through the setup windows for the M2, chose to migrate data from the TM backup and about 30' later, the M2 reported [Migration Completed] and she was inputting her admin password to log into her new M2. It would appear - so far - that the jump from El Capitan on an Intel machine to Monterey on an M2 MB Pro went just fine!
Question: what does she do with her TM HD? It is formatted macOS Extended. Does she erase it, reformat it to AFPS and then set it to running again?
I would suggest keeping that backup drive as is, and getting a fresh new Time Machine drive to use for the M2. That way the drive is set up for APFS automatically and you have the previous backups just in case you need them.
 

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If there is no budget to start fresh on new storage, I would spend some time to verify everything is as expected, reformat, and start fresh.

If the old MBP is still in working order, that can be parked as a secondary backup, making erasing the TM volume less of a risk. Don't erase/repurpose/retire the old MBP until a good amount of time has gone by...and everyone is sure the new machine is complete and she is sure nothing is missing.
 

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The only issue with formatting a backup drive is you lose all the backups. I the person deleted a document x hours, days, or weeks prior to the migration, and you format the backup volume, then it is unrecoverable.

I would leave it as macOS Extended and use as-is, or get a new drive as suggested, if APFS is a requirement (and I'm not certain why it matters for a TM volume).
 
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mdgm

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The other way to migrate across would've been to get a TB2 to TB3 adapter and a TB(1/2) cable, hook the cable up to the old Mac (the 2011 MBP has TB1), plug it into the TB2 to TB3 adapter and plug the other end into the new laptop and transfer directly from the old Mac to the new one.

That would mainly be useful though if you had multiple such transfers to do as it would be a bit to spend to only do it once.

The 2011 MB Pro can run newer Mac OS than El Capitan. It can run up to High Sierra officially and can even run Big Sur and Monterey using OCLP. It is pretty old, but with a cheap 2.5" SSD (if it has not already been upgraded with a SSD) and possibly a RAM upgrade it can still be a useful machine.
 

Speed38

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Well...appears we are having at least one problem.


All went well, save for Photos
Here are the photo counts on her various devices following the update:
M2 Mac 4819
Old Mac 2918
iPad 4189
iPhone 4189
iCloud 4187

Where do I even start in an effort to sort this out.
I have an iMac, an iPad, and an iPhone and my photos are syncing correctly among all my devices.
I have checked the settings on her iPhone/iPad/M2 against mine and they are the same.
I am completely baffled as to what to do next.
Any offers of help sincerely appreciated.
 

diamond.g

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Well...appears we are having at least one problem.


All went well, save for Photos
Here are the photo counts on her various devices following the update:
M2 Mac 4819
Old Mac 2918
iPad 4189
iPhone 4189
iCloud 4187

Where do I even start in an effort to sort this out.
I have an iMac, an iPad, and an iPhone and my photos are syncing correctly among all my devices.
I have checked the settings on her iPhone/iPad/M2 against mine and they are the same.
I am completely baffled as to what to do next.
Any offers of help sincerely appreciated.
The migration tool should have just copied the Photos Library over wholesale. You could try replacing the library (again) or try to redownload the library from iCloud (I think you would have to disable iCloud Photos on the new Mac and then delete the library and then turn it back on, but I am not 100% sure that is the correct way to do it, 😞).
 

Speed38

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Another question:

Am I doing the right thing when I tell her to copy _this_ file to a USB thumb drive...

~/User/Pictures/Photos Library.photoslibrary

…so that if we somehow make a hash of her Photos in the Photos.app on the M2, we can restore those photos by moving this file from the thumb drive back to the M2?

If this is so, does it matter how the thumb drive is formatted?

Should it be APFS?

Many thanks,
 

Fishrrman

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I would format ALL USB flash drives to HFS+ (Mac OS extended with journaling enabled, GUID partition format). The only flash drives that SHOULD NOT be HFS+ are those that are also used to connect to Windows PCs.

The "photoslibrary" icon is not really "a file" -- rather, it's a "package" (I believe), or rather, a folder full of different items.

Try RIGHT clicking on it, and choose "show package contents" from the contextual menu that appears. Just look, don't mess with anything that's "in there".

Having said that, I don't see any problem with copying it to a flash drive.
You can connect that to the "target Mac" (your mom's new Mac), and "import" from there if you want.

BUT BE CAREFUL
If you try to copy the entire kit-and-kaboodle photoslibrary into your mom's existing home/pictures folder, there could be trouble with permissions.

It can be done, but precautions must be taken:
a. connect flash drive
b. DO NOT open the drive icon yet
c. click ONE TIME on the icon to select it
d. bring up the "get info" box for it (command-i)
e. at the bottom of get info, click the lock and enter the administrative password for your mom's NEW account on the NEW Mac
f. put a check into "ignore ownership on this volume" (sharing and permissions)
g. close get info.
(the above exercise will over-ride permissions issues with files copied from the drive)

You can now copy the entire photoslibrary icon into your mom's "home/pictures" folder, REPLACING THE FILE ALREADY IN THERE.

But realize if you do this, the old library is GONE.
Finally, you'll have to "tell photos" to open the new library if it can't find it.
Hold down the option key and open Photos, it will ask you to point the way to the new library.

WARNING:
I do not use (have NEVER used) iCloud for photos, I have no idea how any of the above works where iCloud storage is involved...
 
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Speed38

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Got it and thank you,
I would format ALL USB flash drives to HFS+ (Mac OS extended with journaling enabled, GUID partition format). The only flash drives that SHOULD NOT be HFS+ are those that are also used to connect to Windows PCs.

The "photoslibrary" icon is not really "a file" -- rather, it's a "package" (I believe), or rather, a folder full of different items.
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Thanks so much for that detailed info which I have cut and pasted into a document which I will save. Greatly appreciated.
 
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