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I’m just curious, why would the new Mac Mini not come with USB-A ports on the back?

I understand laptops not wanting to try to fit these larger ports in their already very tight space. But why would a desktop not include such an inexpensive and useful port?

I want to upgrade from my old Mac Mini to a new one and now I have to go out and get not only a USB hub, but one that is powered because my little mobile scanner that I use on my desktop needs a powered USB-A port.
 
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My guess would be because of space. Apple determined that since it’s a legacy port and the space was tight, it was removed on the new model.

Keep in mind this is just a guess and complete speculation. I don’t work for Apple and don’t believe Apple has any official representation in these forms.
 
My guess would be because of space. Apple determined that since it’s a legacy port and the space was tight, it was removed on the new model.

Keep in mind this is just a guess and complete speculation. I don’t work for Apple and don’t believe Apple has any official representation in these forms.
The thing is, it just doesn’t seem like a legacy port. Normal products that you buy today use USB-A.
 
Back in 2016 with the first USB-C Macbook Pro, I would agree. Today, almost everything is available in USB-C. The few things that aren't, you can buy a $1 adapter or a $10 hub.
I mean, I just bought a new Brother mobile scanner a month ago and it comes with USB-A. I looked through the instructions and it seems like it wouldn’t work with a USB-C cable. A $10 USB hub is going to provide power for it?

A legacy port is something like a serial port or parallel port or PS/2 port. If you could still buy normal products in current production with that type of port and if millions of people still have thumb drives using that type of port, it doesn’t really seem “legacy”.

The question is, how could it actually hurt by including a couple of these ports?
 
I mean, I just bought a new Brother mobile scanner a month ago and it comes with USB-A. I looked through the instructions and it seems like it wouldn’t work with a USB-C cable. A $10 USB hub is going to provide power for it?

A legacy port is something like a serial port or parallel port or PS/2 port. If you could still buy normal products in current production with that type of port and if millions of people still have thumb drives using that type of port, it doesn’t really seem “legacy”.

The question is, how could it actually hurt by including a couple of these ports?

You can buy a USB-A to USB-C adapter for a couple dollars. Or a replacement cable if you prefer to keep it neat.


A $10 hub will also work. I agree lots of USB-A devices, but solutions widely available. Given the small space, I'm sure Apple could offer a USB-A port, but it would come at expense of two USB-C ports.
 
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The question is, how could it actually hurt by including a couple of these ports?

I'm puzzled as to why you need to buy a powered hub. A USB-A to USB-C adapter can pass through enough power to drive your device.

Personally, I'd rather that no new devices have USB-A ports. For the first time in my life, I have a cable box that isn't terrifying to look at. It's so trivial and cheap to convert USB-A plugs to USB-C.
 
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I'm puzzled as to why you need to buy a powered hub. A USB-A to USB-C adapter should be able to carry enough power to drive your device.

Personally, I'd rather that no new devices have USB-A ports. For the first time in my life, I have a cable box that isn't terrifying to look at. It's so trivial and cheap to convert USB-A plugs to USB-C.
I don’t understand, if current products are coming with USB-A, why wouldn’t you want a port that it could plug into? Why would you want to use adapters?
 
Sure about what? The adapters, hub, and cables, yes. If you want to share the exact Brother model, we can confirm. Those scanners use 4.5W or less from the USB port.
Yes, are you sure that my Brother scanner will work with an adapter? The instruction manual seems to say that it won’t. There’s more than just power consumption. Will it work with a $10 hub? And would Apple really have to get rid of USB-C ports to have USB-A ports? That really seems suspect.

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The thing is, it just doesn’t seem like a legacy port. Normal products that you buy today use USB-A.
Windows computers are still holding onto USB-A. Maybe it’s slightly cheaper to make peripherals in USB-A? Apple always does stuff early and sometimes too early. A good example is removing the CD/DVD drive from laptops or if you really want to go back further floppy drives.

The reality is though people are still holding onto USB-A so even Apple has brought it back on the MacBook Pro.
 
Windows computers are still holding onto USB-A. Maybe it’s slightly cheaper to make peripherals in USB-A? Apple always does stuff early and sometimes too early. A good example is removing the CD/DVD drive from laptops or if you really want to go back further floppy drives.

The reality is though people are still holding onto USB-A so even Apple has brought it back on the MacBook Pro.
I could definitely understand getting rid of a CD or floppy drive, they take up so much space and cost money.

But a standard USB-A port just doesn’t make sense to me. It takes up almost no space in a desktop computer and it costs almost nothing.
 
Yes, are you sure that my Brother scanner will work with an adapter? The instruction manual seems to say that it won’t. There’s more than just power consumption. Will it work with a $10 hub? And would Apple really have to get rid of USB-C ports to have USB-A ports? That really seems suspect.

Brother DS-640​


Yes, it'll work. USB-C carries the same signals as USB-A, just faster and able to deliver more power.

Look at how small the USB-C port is. It is less than half the size of USB-A. You can use adapters to convert and many people would prefer more capable USB-C ports.
 
I don’t understand, if current products are coming with USB-A, why wouldn’t you want a port that it could plug into? Why would you want to use adapters?
Current products are coming with USB-A because computer makers continue to provide legacy USB-A ports on their computers. When the original iMac came out, it had two USB-A ports and no serial ports and people complained that none of their accessories worked with it. It's completely different with USB-C - a C to A adapter or C to A cable will provide EXACTLY the same power and data as an A-type port. It's just a different configuration for the port. If your scanner uses USB-B then get a C to B cable (very cheap online). Heck, my local hardware store sells USB-A to C adapters that work perfectly with everything for a couple of bucks for a two pack.

If Apple keeps putting A type ports on computers, accessory makers will continue to supply new products with A type cables. As someone who is increasingly frustrated that the new devices I buy continue to come with A type cables when the device itself has a C-type port and they *should* just come with a C to C cable, anyone moving to reduce the number of A type ports on new products is making a positive change. Plus C-type carries DisplayPort, and allows much higher power delivery etc. ESPECIALLY since Apple's devices typically have all Thunderbolt ports which makes them outrageously flexible and useful unlike USB-A ports which can only be USB ports, a Thunderbolt Port can break out into a whole PC's worth of ports - legacy and otherwise. I have two Thunderbolt docks connected to my desktop and have dozens of USB-A ports on top of multiple display outputs, thunderbolt ports, SD slots, audio outputs, firewire, ethernet, etc. Can't do that with an A-type port.
 
And would Apple really have to get rid of USB-C ports to have USB-A ports? That really seems suspect.
I suspect multiple forces. First off, historically Apple has been prone to a 'moving forward' mindset dropping legacy devices and ports. They actually backpedaled on that in the notebook space; turns out occasionally they do what enough customers want.

Apple is also prone to prioritize form over function at times. Back when the iMac was their main consumer Mac, many of us would've preferred the option to easily upgrade RAM and SSD with 3rd party internal equipment, but oh, no...it was more important to make it thinner! Yeah, higher total cost of ownership and less upgradable after the fact, but ah, look at that style!

So making the new Mac Mini very compact might've been more important that making it a little bigger for more ports.

Second, you can't please all of the people all of the time. Like you, I've got USB-A port stuff, it's still common on the market, and it'd be nice if the Mini has A ports...but then again, I've got enough stuff that here's a good chance I'd have bought a hub (already had one) or dock anyway, for even more ports.

Some people in other threads seem to have this sentiment of esteeming the idea of 'the future,' and claim USB-C is 'the future' (it's not; it's part of it, but so will USB-A be for years to come), despise USB-A as a legacy port and want manufacturers to exclude it to pressure more people into converting to USB-C faster. Which is...rather odd to me.

That said, how many USB-A ports would you need? Even if they gave us one, what are the odds you'd end up buying a hub for more? There are people who'll need a dock so they can get more USB-C and/or Thunderbolt ports as it is.

What I wish they'd done was make it a little bigger and put an internal SSD bay in so users could add 3rd party SSDs way cheaper than Apple's storage upgrade costs. But that's a kind of 'courage' they don't seem so interested in.

As someone said elsewhere, Apple gonna Apple.
 
That said, how many USB-A ports would you need?
I get what you guys are saying. Just to answer this one question, I’ve been using computers since well before USB and I’ve never needed a USB hub or adapters until the new Mini. Every computer I’ve had no matter how cheap or expensive always had enough.
 
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You can buy a USB-A to USB-C adapter for a couple dollars. Or a replacement cable if you prefer to keep it neat.

I was just looking at that cable closer, it seems as if it won’t work because the cable that came with my scanner has a little bit of a recess that the port is in. I believe that is to give strength to the plug because the molded part of the plug fits tightly into the recess. I’m not sure if that’s a standard that I would be able to find in a different cord or not.
 
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I don’t understand, if current products are coming with USB-A, why wouldn’t you want a port that it could plug into? Why would you want to use adapters?

Adapters are easier and cheaper than having to keep a library of cables and chargers.

I bought a dozen USB-A to USB-C endcap adapters several years ago. If I get anything that's USB-A, I immediately convert it to USB-C with an adapter to make life easier.

I used to travel with a whole assortment of chargers and cables. Now for short trips, I only need a single 30W charger and a single USB-C cable.
 
OP, you are thinking like a pure customer among a sea of fans who often put the corp BEFORE a fellow consumer questioning stuff like this.

While they could have easily had USB-A ports on the new Mini, getting rid of them probably saves about a dollar or two per unit. And Apple knows that at least some people buying will identify a need for conversions so they can sell them this for $19. So Apple saves a couple of bucks on the cost of each unit sold AND puts some very high margin profit on the bottom line for however many of those add-ons are sold.

There is a long history of Apple subtracting customer utility from new products and then selling it back to some in high-margin offerings. It works because even people aggravated by such moves will generally roll over and buy anyway.

Fans who may have ridiculed USB-C to no end (lint magnet, broken tongues for expensive repairs, wobbly) when Apple was resisting the switch in iPhone flip right with Apple and now see no issue with it... even rationalizing it to other consumers in support of whatever Apple says/wants/offers for sale now.

Apple isn't pressed to deliver more customer utility until they feel it in revenue & profit. Gripes that still rain dollars for Apple stuff anyway accomplishes nothing... but "another record quarter" for the corp. 💰💰💰

This ship has already sailed. Since USB-A stuff is still in abundant use and still being sold as new in 2025, I agree that a couple of USB-A ports would have been great added value & utility in the box instead of pushing such customers to buy adapters or hubs. But if you can find a thousand me's to take that same stance, it doesn't make a bit of difference at HQ.
 
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On further reflection, while I tend to ding Apple for what seems to me at times over-valuing aesthetics, it's not all on them. On this very forum and elsewhere online, consider the amount of ire regarding:

1.) The notorious 'notch' on MacBooks.
2.) The dynamic island on iPhones.
3.) The taskbar on some prior MacBook Pros.
4.) The placement of the power button on the Mac Mini.
5.) The 'chin' in the iMacs prior to the Apple silicon transition (more of us were using them back then).
6.) Complaining about how competitor 27" displays don't match the build quality and aesthetics of the Apple Studio Display (never mind it's $1,600, +$400 if you want a height adjustable stand, yeah spatial audio sounds (no pun intended) nice, but come...on!).

Now imagine the visual contrast of a USB-A port on the front of the Mac Mini. Just being spared the firestorm of complaints makes plugging in a hub seem like a small price to pay.
 
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I never thought I would complain about USB-A disappearing from things. "The sooner the better" was my thought... until I finally upgraded my MBP to one sans-USB-A, only to discover my Sony swimming MP3 headset is designed to not work with USB-C, so no type of adaptor will allow me to manage its contents on the MBP. Only by chance I have a Windows laptop with micro-USB on it, which works for managing the headset.

This issue exists only because Sony decided to make the headset not be forward compatible for some reason.

So now I appreciate the idea of keeping one of these ports around on newer computers in some form or another.
 
I was just looking at that cable closer, it seems as if it won’t work because the cable that came with my scanner has a little bit of a recess that the port is in.

Really, just buy an adapter. You can buy these by the bucket.
 
Really, just buy an adapter. You can buy these by the bucket.
I get what you’re saying, but the cord that came with the scanner is only like 18 inches (which is terrible) so I figured I could kill two birds with one stone on this issue by getting a longer cord with USB-C on the end.
 
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