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I am looking to buy a new iPad Air.

I see it has this: "USB‑C connector with support for Thunderbolt / USB 4"

What is that?

How does it compare to USB-C?

And how does all of this relate to MacBook Pros?

I am also looking to buy a new 14" MacBook Pro M3 Max.

Want to make sure that I understand how modern ports and cables work, and that I use that to make the right purchaes, and make sure I don't buy new devices with outdated technology?

(I am not up-to-date on technology, and my current MacBook pro only has USB-A!!!) *LOL*

Can someone help me get caught to 2024 technology?
 

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I'm sure a search engine will bring many results to your questions. In case you are unfamiliar with web search engines like Google, Bing, or DuckDuckGo, I've picked a link which will answer your questions if you choose to read it
 
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Can someone help me get caught to 2024 technology?
@Bigwaff has linked to a pretty comprehensive guide - I'll try and pick out the Mac/iPad relevant details. Let's be clear here - the terminology surrounding USB-C and Thunderbolt is an absolute train wreck.

How does it compare to USB-C?
It is USB-C.

USB-C is the not-particularly-new "universal" multi-protocol connector and cabling system - and associated stack of standards - that aims to replace USB-A, Lightning, HDMI, DisplayPort and proprietary charging connectors & cables. "USB-C" alone doesn't tell you much beyond that the connector will physically fit in the hole and not blow anything up. I think the minimum specs for a USB-C port in a computer are 1.5A @ 5V of power and USB 2.0 (480Mbps) data transfer - potentially, it does a lot more but you must check the specs of teh computer, the device you are connecting and the cable to know if something will work.

I see it has this: "USB‑C connector with support for Thunderbolt / USB 4"
What is that?
I don't think it does - according to the tech specs on Apple.com the iPad Air has a "USB-C port with support for charging, DisplayPort, USB 3 (up to 10Gb/s). No Thunderbolt.

So i It should connect, with a suitable USB-C cable, to USB-C chargers (including the current MacBook chargers & hubs with charging support), USB-C displays and USB-C peripherals that don't require USB 4 or Thunderbolt. It will also connect, with the appropriate USB-C to USB-A/USB-B/DisplayPort/HDMI adapter or cable, to devices with dedicated ports.

Note that some new Thunderbolt 4/USB 4 devices do fall back to USB 3 if you connect a non-USB4 computer (but with some impact on their performance/features) - the only way to know is to read the specs.

It will charge and sync with a new USB-C/Thunderbolt equipped Mac. A USB-C-to-A cable should let it charge and sync with your old Mac (assuming your version of MacOS supports it) or any old iPad/iPhone chargers you have although it may only get a trickle charge. One thing to beware of - the supplied "charge" cable is only good for charging and USB 2 data transfer - you'll need a faster cable to use USB 3 speeds. All this, of course, is subject to whether the device is supported by iPad OS or the iPad hardware.

The "USB‑C connector with support for Thunderbolt / USB 4" refers to the iPad Pro - and all the Macs with the regular M1/M2/M3 processor. Macs with M1/2/3 Pro or Max processors just have "Thunderbolt 4" ports.

Sigh. Ok. Let's tell it as it is today, rather than try a history lesson. USB4 is the latest version of the USB protocols which (since USB 3.2) have been built on the USB-C connector system. USB4 added a new 40Gbps speed, (based on the 40Gbps protocol used in Intel's Thunderbolt 3) and adding some new features - really ending Thunderbolt as a competing, proprietary Intel-only tech. However, like previous USB specs, USB4 includes a lot of "optional" features so it's hard to know exactly what a "USB4" port can and can't do. So, "Thunderbolt 4" has become an Intel certification and branding scheme under banners such as "the USB-C that does it all" that is basically USB4 but makes a lot of optional USB-C/USB4 features mandatory.

So "USB‑C connector with support for Thunderbolt / USB 4" means that it's a USB-C connector with support for 40Gbps including compatibility with Thunderbolt devices (which isn't required for USB4). The reason that it's not just "Thunderbolt 4" seems to be just that TB4 branding requires support for two external displays via Thunderbolt and the M1/M2/M3 only support one internal and one external. The Macs with "Pro" and "Max" chips can support more external displays so their ports can be branded as "Thunderbolt 4".

and make sure I don't buy new devices with outdated technology
Of course USB4 v2 and Thunderbolt 5 are in the pipeline, but they're not out yet. That said, Apple's WWDC conference is only a week away, which may or may not see new Mac products, so I'd at least wait until then. The iPads have been updated very recently so they're safe.

Essentially, the iPad Air is a generation or so behind the iPad Pro and doesn't have USB4 or Thunderbolt capacity - but that's how iPad models roll these days and unless you know of some specific need for USB4/Thunderbolt features you probably won't want to pay the extra for an iPad Pro. Having a USB-C port makes sense in the long run, if you're going to get a new MacBook Pro - but you may need a USB A to C cable to sync with your existing Mac (and if your Mac is truly vintage you might want to check whether it will sync with a new iPad over a cable).

If you're in a country where the iPad doesn't come with a charger, bear in mind that a new MacBook will come with a USB-C charger that will also charge an iPad, and you might want to look at getting a multi-port charger or charging dock that will charge both rather than another single-port iPad charger.
 

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What is that?

How does it compare to USB-C?
The prior responses cover "What it is" and how it relates to USB-C. But the REAL question is, "What capabilities do you need?" I've had Thunderbolt support on more than half-a-dozen Macs over the years, and only used an actual Thunderbolt device on one of them. Just because "It's capable of XYZ" doesn't mean that you or I have any particular use or need for XYZ.
 

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Quote: "I've had Thunderbolt support on more than half-a-dozen Macs over the years, and only used an actual Thunderbolt device on one of them."
And I've had a Thunderbolt 1/2/3 dock connected to ALL my Macs since my 2011 iMac, as that provides the most trouble free (IMO) way to connect USB peripherals to a Mac...
But I just use WiFi for my iPads, because of the way I do any work on a Mac. 🙂
 

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Quote: "I've had Thunderbolt support on more than half-a-dozen Macs over the years, and only used an actual Thunderbolt device on one of them."
And I've had a Thunderbolt 1/2/3 dock connected to ALL my Macs since my 2011 iMac, as that provides the most trouble free (IMO) way to connect USB peripherals to a Mac...
But I just use WiFi for my iPads, because of the way I do any work on a Mac. 🙂
Exactly - you have a USE for Thunderbolt, I don't.

I don't mind that Thunderbolt is on most of them. It just doesn't MATTER to me.
 

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I am looking to buy a new iPad Air.

I see it has this: "USB‑C connector with support for Thunderbolt / USB 4"

What is that?

How does it compare to USB-C?

And how does all of this relate to MacBook Pros?

I am also looking to buy a new 14" MacBook Pro M3 Max.

Want to make sure that I understand how modern ports and cables work, and that I use that to make the right purchaes, and make sure I don't buy new devices with outdated technology?

(I am not up-to-date on technology, and my current MacBook pro only has USB-A!!!) *LOL*

Can someone help me get caught to 2024 technology?
USB-C is a connector. Older laptops used the rectangular USB Type A connector.

USB Type C is a very big deal, because that single connector can do nearly everything that a computer connector can do, such as:
  • Power
  • USB, up to 10 Gbps (currently)
  • DisplayPort video
  • HDMI video
  • Thunderbolt, up to 40 Gbps
The USB-C ports on current Macs support nearly all of these features. For example, in my home office, I have a Thunderbolt dock. With one single cable, I can charge the laptop, display 4K60 10-bit video on my monitor, attach a very fast external SSD, gigabit Ethernet, and use compact flash readers. Literally, I do all of that, with just one cable attached to the laptop.

There are many simpler devices which have a USB-C connector, and they don’t do nearly as much. Many devices use USB-C only for power, because USB-C is amazingly good as a power connector. It can deliver over 200 Watts, and there is a discovery method which lets devices talk over the cable to figure out the maximum available current which can be used, and this check also makes sure the cable can support the current draw.

Because USB-C can do so much, it’s important to understand the capabilities of what you’re attaching together, including the cables. For instance, if you want the fastest possible SSD drive connection, you need to know the speed of the drive AND also the speed rating of the cable.
 

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USB-C is a connector. Older laptops used the rectangular USB Type A connector.

USB Type C is a very big deal, because that single connector can do nearly everything that a computer connector can do, such as:
  • Power
  • USB, up to 10 Gbps (currently)
  • DisplayPort video
  • HDMI video
  • Thunderbolt, up to 40 Gbps
...
Actually, The "USB..." entry should read:
  • USB data: potentially USB4 (up to 40Gbps), USB3 (various sup-specs from 5Gpbs to 20Gbps), USB2.1.
It should also be noted that not all of the above will be supported by all devices or cables
 
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Ambrosia7177

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In case you are unfamiliar with web search engines like Google, Bing, or DuckDuckGo

Was that really necessary? :rolleyes:

As @theluggage demonstrated, this is a complicated topic - which is why I am asking for help...


, I've picked a link which will answer your questions if you choose to read it

That part was helpful.
 

Ambrosia7177

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@theluggage

Thanks for the detailed - and non-snarky - response!

Let's be clear here - the terminology surrounding USB-C and Thunderbolt is an absolute train wreck.

I agree - it's a real cluster...


USB-C is the not-particularly-new "universal" multi-protocol connector and cabling system - and associated stack of standards - that aims to replace USB-A, Lightning, HDMI, DisplayPort and proprietary charging connectors & cables.

Okay.


"USB-C" alone doesn't tell you much beyond that the connector will physically fit in the hole and not blow anything up.

So similar to USB-A, USB-B, USB-B mini, USB-B micro, and Lightning, USB-C describes a "form factor", right?



I think the minimum specs for a USB-C port in a computer are 1.5A @ 5V of power and USB 2.0 (480Mbps) data transfer - potentially, it does a lot more but you must check the specs of teh computer, the device you are connecting and the cable to know if something will work.

Okay.



I don't think it does - according to the tech specs on Apple.com the iPad Air has a "USB-C port with support for charging, DisplayPort, USB 3 (up to 10Gb/s). No Thunderbolt.

Okay.


So i It should connect, with a suitable USB-C cable, to USB-C chargers (including the current MacBook chargers & hubs with charging support), USB-C displays and USB-C peripherals that don't require USB 4 or Thunderbolt. It will also connect, with the appropriate USB-C to USB-A/USB-B/DisplayPort/HDMI adapter or cable, to devices with dedicated ports.

With this bird's nest of data protocols over one form-factor, do you ever have to worry about plugging something in that "fits" but that will burn up your device?

(One would hope that everything you talk about have a "safety valve" built in, but one should never assume!)


Also, with all of these different data protocols, will they make "converters" so you can get different devices to talk to one another if Device-1 only speaks "USB-C/USB-3" and a newer device only speaks "USB-C/USB4"? (Or is this a ploy by manufactuers to throw out your device and to have to buy a new one so things "just work"?)



The "USB‑C connector with support for Thunderbolt / USB 4" refers to the iPad Pro - and all the Macs with the regular M1/M2/M3 processor. Macs with M1/2/3 Pro or Max processors just have "Thunderbolt 4" ports.

Sorry if you expalined this earlier, but what is the connection between "USB4" and "Thunderbolt 4"?

And if I buy a new 14" M3 Max, how limited will it be when it comes to talking with older devices (e.g. 2015 rMBP, iPhone 11 Pro Max, etc.)?



Sigh. Ok. Let's tell it as it is today, rather than try a history lesson. USB4 is the latest version of the USB protocols which (since USB 3.2) have been built on the USB-C connector system. USB4 added a new 40Gbps speed, (based on the 40Gbps protocol used in Intel's Thunderbolt 3) and adding some new features - really ending Thunderbolt as a competing, proprietary Intel-only tech. However, like previous USB specs, USB4 includes a lot of "optional" features so it's hard to know exactly what a "USB4" port can and can't do. So, "Thunderbolt 4" has become an Intel certification and branding scheme under banners such as "the USB-C that does it all" that is basically USB4 but makes a lot of optional USB-C/USB4 features mandatory.

So "USB‑C connector with support for Thunderbolt / USB 4" means that it's a USB-C connector with support for 40Gbps including compatibility with Thunderbolt devices (which isn't required for USB4). The reason that it's not just "Thunderbolt 4" seems to be just that TB4 branding requires support for two external displays via Thunderbolt and the M1/M2/M3 only support one internal and one external. The Macs with "Pro" and "Max" chips can support more external displays so their ports can be branded as "Thunderbolt 4".

Sorry if I'm asking questions again about things you are trying to answer, but all of this is making my head spin!

When I think of "Thunderbolt", I think of the skinny connector that I plug into my iPhone 11 Pro Max to charge my phone from my old MBP.

Is Thunderbolt an Apple-only thing?

And is Thunderbolt just a data protocol, or does it relate to form-factor too? (It sounds like in the modern world, everything is pretty much USB-C form-factor on desktop and laptop Apple computers, right?)




Of course USB4 v2 and Thunderbolt 5 are in the pipeline, but they're not out yet. That said, Apple's WWDC conference is only a week away, which may or may not see new Mac products, so I'd at least wait until then. The iPads have been updated very recently so they're safe.

More confusion (and expense) coming to a theater near you shortly!!
 

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The prior responses cover "What it is" and how it relates to USB-C. But the REAL question is, "What capabilities do you need?" I've had Thunderbolt support on more than half-a-dozen Macs over the years, and only used an actual Thunderbolt device on one of them. Just because "It's capable of XYZ" doesn't mean that you or I have any particular use or need for XYZ.

Good point!

Let me try and address this issue...

First of all, as already stated, I am like 10 years behind on computer technology - I try to buy stuff and run it into the ground versus buying new stuff every year to impress people!

Am looking to buy a new 14" MacBook Pro M3 Max.

Am looking to buy a new iPhone 15 Pro Max.

Am looking to buy some new iPad. (iPad Air? iPad Pro? Dunno!)

I want these to all play together nicely.

My main concern about "USB‑C connector with support for Thunderbolt / USB 4" relates to another thread where I am equally confused on finding a working solution: Stream videos from iPhone to an iPad

It might help to check that one out, because it expalins why I even need an iPad.

The TLDR is that I need a way to run videos on an iPad so an interviewee can watch the video, but I want to control everything from my new iPhone.

I also need to make sure that I can plug a new iPad into my new iPhone or new MacBook Pro and upload/down videos and content.

I need all three (3) devices to talk to one another.
 
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Ambrosia7177

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@Alameda

Very cool username - smart to register that one! ;-)

Thank you for the detailed points!

USB-C is a connector. Older laptops used the rectangular USB Type A connector.

USB Type C is a very big deal, because that single connector can do nearly everything that a computer connector can do, such as:
  • Power
  • USB, up to 10 Gbps (currently)
  • DisplayPort video
  • HDMI video
  • Thunderbolt, up to 40 Gbps
The USB-C ports on current Macs support nearly all of these features. For example, in my home office, I have a Thunderbolt dock. With one single cable, I can charge the laptop, display 4K60 10-bit video on my monitor, attach a very fast external SSD, gigabit Ethernet, and use compact flash readers. Literally, I do all of that, with just one cable attached to the laptop.

Other than confusing naming conventions, I guess that is pretty cool!


There are many simpler devices which have a USB-C connector, and they don’t do nearly as much. Many devices use USB-C only for power, because USB-C is amazingly good as a power connector. It can deliver over 200 Watts, and there is a discovery method which lets devices talk over the cable to figure out the maximum available current which can be used, and this check also makes sure the cable can support the current draw.

I have lots of questions on this, but I guess I'll keep this thread mostly about a new iPad purchase.


Because USB-C can do so much, it’s important to understand the capabilities of what you’re attaching together, including the cables. For instance, if you want the fastest possible SSD drive connection, you need to know the speed of the drive AND also the speed rating of the cable.

Again, another topic I need help with, but will stick with the iPad conversation for now.
 

PaulD-UK

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Quote: “I want these to all play together nicely.”

That’s a software problem, and a consequent communication protocol problem.
Compounded by your wanting to use two OSs-MacOS and iOS/iPadOS.

Yes USB-C sockets are what Apple uses these days, and with the right cable, everything you want to do can be done (if it is within the bounds of what is possible).
With appropriate software…..
 

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Sorry if you expalined this earlier, but what is the connection between "USB4" and "Thunderbolt 4"?
....
Is Thunderbolt an Apple-only thing?
...
And is Thunderbolt just a data protocol, or does it relate to form-factor too? (It sounds like in the modern world, everything is pretty much USB-C form-factor on desktop and laptop Apple computers, right?)
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  • Technically USB4 and TB4 unrelated beyond using the same connector. They are indirectly related because the commonly used chipset has support for both which leads to adding TB4 support usually adding USB4 support as well.
  • Thunderbolt is NOT an Apple-only thing. Apple was involved in the development of TB1&2 and was an early supporter, but the core development and ownership of the spec (currently TB4 and newer) is Intel. They've "given" the older TB3 spec to the USB-IF, which develops and controls the USB spec, and it is now embedded in USB4.
  • The series of TB specs has specified the connector, but they don't control the connector's specs. TB1/2 used (read: borrowed) the mini-DisplayPort connector. The TB3&4 specs require the USB-C connector.
  • Apple computers have moved to having USB-C connectors for everything, where possible. MacBooks also often have a MagSafe power connector in addition to accepting power through the USB-C and some have dedicated HDMI ports in addition to supporting DisplayPort alt mode video via the USB-C ports. The desktop machines have their separate power connectors of course.
 
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So similar to USB-A, USB-B, USB-B mini, USB-B micro, and Lightning, USB-C describes a "form factor", right?
USB-C describes a connector and cabling system that can carry many different data & power protocols - a bit like Lightning - automatically detecting what type of cable/device you have connected. The term is sometimes used to imply USB-C with USB 2 & 3 but not Thunderbolt or USB4.

With this bird's nest of data protocols over one form-factor, do you ever have to worry about plugging something in that "fits" but that will burn up your device?
Only if you get a faulty/dud device or cable. There were some issues with bad cables in the early days but AFAIK it hasn't been a huge problem. As with any tech, don't buy suspiciously cheap no-name cables or power supplies online.

Also, with all of these different data protocols, will they make "converters" so you can get different devices to talk to one another if Device-1 only speaks "USB-C/USB-3" and a newer device only speaks "USB-C/USB4"?
You can get cables and adapters to connect USB-C to devices with USB-A/B, HDMI, DisplayPort, Lightning etc. With devices that have USB-C ports the short story is that you just have to check the specs of both devices and the cable (or just try it and see).

Sorry if you expalined this earlier, but what is the connection between "USB4" and "Thunderbolt 4"?
I did, but TL:DNR: Thunderbolt 4 basically is USB4 but with many of the "optional" features of USB4 required as standard. The base M1/M2/M3 chips lack the multi-monitor support required for a computer USBC/USB4 port to be called Thunderbolt 4.

And if I buy a new 14" M3 Max, how limited will it be when it comes to talking with older devices (e.g. 2015 rMBP, iPhone 11 Pro Max, etc.)?
Shouldn't be a problem - but you will need USB-C to Lightning & USB-C to USB-A cables. If you want to exchange files with an old Mac you'll probably use wireless networking or Ethernet adapters - but you can get a Thunderbolt 3 (new Mac) to Thunderbolt 1/2 (2015 Mac) to connect the two.

When I think of "Thunderbolt", I think of the skinny connector that I plug into my iPhone 11 Pro Max to charge my phone from my old MBP.
That was Lightning.

Is Thunderbolt an Apple-only thing?

No, it's Intel, in collaboration with Apple (who have been an early & enthusiastic adopter of Thunderbolt)

And is Thunderbolt just a data protocol, or does it relate to form-factor too?
Both. Kinda sorta. The thunderbolt 1 & 2 protocols always used the square-ish MiniDisplayPort connector & specified how the ports could still work with DisplayPort devices.

Thunderbolt 3 switched to always using USB-C, which was designed to accommodate third party protocols. Just for added entertainment, though, it added three new classes of cable with USB-C connectors...

Then Intel opened up the Thunderbolt 3 protocol, the USB-IF extended that into USB4, effectively obsoleting Thunderbolt. Thunderbolt 4 has become more of a branding and certification program for USB4 hardware, with higher "minimum" requirements than the USB4 standards.

As I said - this is all a train wreck, so there's no shame in simply asking specific questions like "What cable do I need to connect a Spondulik 53-b to an iPad Pro gen 10"...
 

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As I said - this is all a train wreck, so there's no shame in simply asking specific questions like "What cable do I need to connect a Spondulik 53-b to an iPad Pro gen 10"...

Said in a much nicer way than some others!

What I am taking away from all of this is that I should have any real issues plugging an iPad Air or iPad Pro into my older 2015 rMBP or into a new M3 Pro/Max laptop.

I don't do fancy things like a lot of you. I just want to be able to plug my iPhone (or iPad) into my laptop and be able to transfer data and maybe charge things.

After getting new gear, I'll probbaly spend more time reading up on things and trying to leverage this newer technology.

And I will be back with questions about power and data transfer.

Thanks for the geeky responses!
 

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Technically USB4 and TB4 unrelated beyond using the same connector. They are indirectly related because the commonly used chipset has support for both which leads to adding TB4 support usually adding USB4 support as well.
My understanding was that Intel (as you say) released the TB3 spec to the USB-IF, it was expanded into USB4 (adding support for multiport hubs and standardising on USB 3.2 tunnelling, but making full backwards compatibility with Thunderbolt optional) and that Thunderbolt 4 is effectively re-branded USB4 with the optional bits (and other, stricter minimum specs) required.

Hence, non-Intel processors can now integrate USB4 controllers & get them certified as Thunderbolt 4 by Intel. The AS Macs have on-chip TB/USB4 controllers, with Intel "re timer" chips driving the actual ports.

That's where you get the fun situation that M2 MacBook Airs have "USB4 ports supporting Thunderbolt" whereas the M2 Mac Minis have "Thunderbolt 4" ports (AFAIK, simply because they support the 2 external displays via Thunderbolt requirement of TB4).

The desktop machines have their separate power connectors of course.
True - but only the 24" iMac has gone all-USB-C.

The Mini and Studio still have USB-A, HDMI and Ethernet ports, headphone sockets - and the Studio has a SD card slot.
 

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Said in a much nicer way than some others!

What I am taking away from all of this is that I should have any real issues plugging an iPad Air or iPad Pro into my older 2015 rMBP or into a new M3 Pro/Max laptop.

I don't do fancy things like a lot of you. I just want to be able to plug my iPhone (or iPad) into my laptop and be able to transfer data and maybe charge things.

After getting new gear, I'll probbaly spend more time reading up on things and trying to leverage this newer technology.

And I will be back with questions about power and data transfer.

Thanks for the geeky responses!
With the Mac laptops that have USB-C connectors, that connector does practically anything you want it to do:
  1. You can plug a USB-C power adapter into the connector and power your Mac.
  2. You can plug a USB web cam or USB hard disk into the connector and use it like any other USB disk drive.
  3. You can plug a Thunderbolt SSD drive in.
  4. You can plug a DisplayPort monitor in.
  5. OR, you can plug a Thunderbolt dock in and it will do ALL of those things, 1-4, in a single cable connection.
I mean… WOW. That one connector can do just about everything you’d want. The trick is to make sure that the cables and devices you buy support the feature you want. First, you need the USB-C connector on one end of the cable, and whatever else on the other side, such as USB-C to DisplayPort or USB-C to USB-C. Second, the cable needs to support the capability that you need. There are three types of capabilities you can look for, such as power (wattage). If you buy a USB-C charger, you want to make sure the charger supports the wattage you need, and the cable also needs to support that wattage, because there are very thin cables made for powering disk drives, and thicker ones for powering laptops. And these power-capable cables often do not support the high speed data, because they’re for charger connections. The other type of capability is the speed rating, such as 10 Gbps USB or 40 Gbs USB or 40 Gbs Thunderbolt. It can be a little confusing, and good quality devices include the correct cable.

One excellent feature of USB-C is that the capabiities of the cable are discoverable by the system, so if you attach a cable which supports only 20 Watts of power, even if you plug it into an 80 Watt power adapter, it won’t deliver the 80 Watts, in order to protect you. Same thing with data — it won’t try to transmit 40 Gbs over a 10 Gbs cable.
 
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I don't do fancy things like a lot of you. I just want to be able to plug my iPhone (or iPad) into my laptop and be able to transfer data and maybe charge things.
Keeping it simple, A USB-C to USB-A "charge cable" will get that done at least as well as your old Lightning-to-USB-A cable. As per Apple's iPad specs, I think you need MacOS 10.13 or later on the Mac to sync data, though.
 

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Remember some years back, when we were told that "USBc" ports were going to solve all kinds of connection issues?

Remember some years back, when we were told by many posters right in this forum that USB "a" ports and cables were becoming obsolete and would fall out of use?
 

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@Alameda

With the Mac laptops that have USB-C connectors, that connector does practically anything you want it to do:
  1. You can plug a USB-C power adapter into the connector and power your Mac.
  2. You can plug a USB web cam or USB hard disk into the connector and use it like any other USB disk drive.
  3. You can plug a Thunderbolt SSD drive in.
  4. You can plug a DisplayPort monitor in.
  5. OR, you can plug a Thunderbolt dock in and it will do ALL of those things, 1-4, in a single cable connection.
I mean… WOW. That one connector can do just about everything you’d want.

That sounds pretty neat.

In the past it wouldn't have mattered, because I didn't really use cables.

But now that I am building an Apple ecosystem with a new MacBook Pro, new iPhone, and new iPad, and getting into video, it sounds like USB-C will make life easier.


The trick is to make sure that the cables and devices you buy support the feature you want. First, you need the USB-C connector on one end of the cable, and whatever else on the other side, such as USB-C to DisplayPort or USB-C to USB-C. Second, the cable needs to support the capability that you need. There are three types of capabilities you can look for, such as power (wattage). If you buy a USB-C charger, you want to make sure the charger supports the wattage you need, and the cable also needs to support that wattage, because there are very thin cables made for powering disk drives, and thicker ones for powering laptops. And these power-capable cables often do not support the high speed data, because they’re for charger connections. The other type of capability is the speed rating, such as 10 Gbps USB or 40 Gbs USB or 40 Gbs Thunderbolt. It can be a little confusing, and good quality devices include the correct cable.

One excellent feature of USB-C is that the capabiities of the cable are discoverable by the system, so if you attach a cable which supports only 20 Watts of power, even if you plug it into an 80 Watt power adapter, it won’t deliver the 80 Watts, in order to protect you. Same thing with data — it won’t try to transmit 40 Gbs over a 10 Gbs cable.

After I get my new Apple products, I'll come back here and start some new, more specific threads to make sure I get the right solutions for my needs.
 

Ambrosia7177

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@Alameda et al,

I have another question about a specific use-case using USB-C.

Can I ask here or should I start a new thread? (Just don't want to lose all of the experts here!)
 

Alameda

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@Alameda et al,

I have another question about a specific use-case using USB-C.

Can I ask here or should I start a new thread? (Just don't want to lose all of the experts here!)
Ask away! It’s your thread!

I bought a Thunderbolt hub from owc.com. They have a lot of products and articles which explain some of the things you can do.

I’m an advanced photographer. I often shoot 1,000 photos or more with a 45 megapixel camera. OWC makes a lot of fast storage products for people like me. I like that I can plug one cable into my MacBook and ALL of my stuff works — charging, the 4K monitor, Ethernet for faster networking, my card readers and my external SSD drive. I paid around $175 for my OWC Thunderbolt hub, and around $100 for their Thunderbolt card reader. That is expensive, but it lets me copy 80 gigabytes of photos from my camera to the disk drive VERY fast, so I love it. You probably don’t need something like that.

There’s a company called Anker that makes simple USB hubs with USB-C. I bring one in my laptop bag. It gives you standard USB-A connections for things like card readers and memory sticks. These things only cost $25 or so.
 
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Alameda

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Remember some years back, when we were told that "USBc" ports were going to solve all kinds of connection issues?

Remember some years back, when we were told by many posters right in this forum that USB "a" ports and cables were becoming obsolete and would fall out of use?
Yes, and USB-C has solved all kinds of connection issues and USB-A cables are falling out of use.
 
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