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Patolino

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I have a 5TB Seagate OneTouch HDD USB external disk and this disk takes 15 to 20 minutes to mount.

This disk has 3 partitions all APFS, 2 encrypted. Encryption passwords on keychain.

This is Monterey on a new 24" M1 iMac.

I have checked the disks using Disk Utility and also using fsck from terminal.

This disk is USB 3 and is connected to the M1 mac using a USB-C to USB 3 adapter from Belkin.

This adapter says it is 5GB guaranteed. Blackmagic Disk Speed Test says the disk speed is 66 MB/s write and 53 MB/s read.

What can I do?
 
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TightLines

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Does it mount faster on another computer? Sounds like something may be getting scanned or verified prior to it being allowed to mount… just a guess… how about power… does the enclosure have an external power source or does it draw its power from the USB port exclusively?
 

Patolino

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Does it mount faster on another computer? Sounds like something may be getting scanned or verified prior to it being allowed to mount… just a guess… how about power… does the enclosure have an external power source or does it draw its power from the USB port exclusively?
I have tested on a 2012 Intel iMac and it takes like 30% less time but is still too long. It draws power from the USB port.
 

TightLines

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I have tested on a 2012 Intel iMac and it takes like 30% less time but is still too long. It draws power from the USB port.
Does the enclosure have the ability to connect to an external power supply? Thats a big drive to be pulling power just from a USB port. And it really should be instantaneous… or at worse, a few seconds.
 

Patolino

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no way to pull power from external supply, just from USB... a few seconds to mount?????????????? Never had such a fast USB disk? What?
 

MajorFubar

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Not sure what's going on there, it has to be something to do with all the different partitions and passwords.
My Studio Max backs up to a USB-C-connected 4TB My Passport HDD which mounts so quick it's basically there by the time the desktop appears. That's the kind of mount speed you should be getting.
 

Patolino

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Not sure what's going on there, it has to be something to do with all the different partitions and passwords.
My Studio Max backs up to a USB-C-connected 4TB My Passport HDD which mounts so quick it's basically there by the time the desktop appears. That's the kind of mount speed you should be getting.
if I remove the disk from the mac and start the M1 iMac the restart goes fast as hell but if the disk is connected, because the mounting is so slow, the desktop takes ages to appear.
 
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MajorFubar

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if I remove the disk from the mac and start the M1 iMac the restart goes fast as hell but if the disk is connected, because the mounting is so slow, the desktop takes ages to appear.
Weird. If I 'eject' the drive , unplug it and re-plug it, it's mounted and visible within 5 seconds max. Something odd with your configuration but I'm not techy enough to be able to tell you what that is.
 

Slartibart

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to locate the issue I suggest to temporarily decrypt the encrypted partitions and check. You are running the latest Monterey?
 

Artiste212

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I also have a 5TB Seagate external USB drive, and I have the same issue. Once it has been mounted, it works fine. But until it does, what a pain. There is a Time Machine volume and two encrypted volumes, all APFS. And yes, my boot time is excrucitatingly long with the Seagate attached, but quick without it.

I have a second external WD APFS drive, also encrypted. It connects in under a minute.

Is there possible a firmware issue with the Seagates? Or is it the APFS formatting or Time Machine?
 

svenmany

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Slow disk mounting is agony for me. Certainly 10 minutes is common. It never stops me from using my computer, though. Once all the volumes are mounted all work perfectly.

I have two Western Digital disks in a Sabrent doc and one SanDisk solid drive connected directly to the Mac. Each has 3 partitions; all are encrypted. Over the years I've had different disks and docks and always had the same problem. For me the only thing in common is my 2018 MacBook Pro.
 

HobeSoundDarryl

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Monterey or Silicon Macs have trouble with select attached storage- especially attached HDD storage. I've had too many rounds with the almost opposite problem- "unexpected eject"ions- by HDDs attached to a new Studio Ultra that are absolutely stable on Intel Macs running macOS < BigSur and using the same cable. I'm far from the only one- there are MANY threads here and elsewhere about this with people trying everything. I've worked through everything a user can and concluded that there are bugs in either Monterey and/or with Silicon itself with select HDD enclosures/hardware. Some will work perfectly fine. Some won't. SSDs seem to generally work better than HDDs but even some of them have such issues too.

Basically U in USB doesn't appear to mean what it is supposed to mean with Silicon or Big Sur-Monterey. More like MSB for Maybe Serial Bus.;) There does not seem to be any way to determine which enclosures work except try attaching things and see what happens... and what will stay attached.

OP, my suggestion is to duplicate all 3 partitions to another disk, reformat that problematic drive and then, before you start copying anything back to it, see if it will mount pretty quickly as a blank. Based on existing Intel Macs, 10-20-30 minutes is ridiculous UNLESS there is something wrong with the HDD or enclosure. In testing to try to solve my issues, I dug out ancient tech and pretty much everything will mount in under 30-60 seconds... even stuff from the 2000s.

If you "clean" reformat and it mounts quickly as a blank, recreate your partitions and try again (while all 3 are still blank). If that mounts about as quickly, copy your files back to each section... maybe just one at a time and again, unmount-mount. If you get this far without issue, maybe you discover the files in one partition are somehow causing this? If so, dig into what is "different" about those files.

If a clean, blank HDD won't mount quickly, maybe try a different enclosure if you have one. That will help you narrow in on enclosure vs. drive. For example, if you put it in another and it mounts much more quickly, the former enclosure appears to have problems. On the other hand, if you move the drive to another enclosure and it is the same slow mount, the HDD itself appears to be the issue.

One more test: if you have existing Intel Macs, test on those too. If it mounts much more quickly on Intel Macs, you are probably enjoying the Silicon and/or Big Sur-Monterey MSB "fun." Welcome to the club! All hail the Apple! ;)

You might have to do what I did and just start trying various enclosures until you find one that works with seemingly finicky Silicon and/or Monterey. If you have to go here, I found OWC MiniStack STX mounts quickly and stays connected. It can handle a 3.5", 2.5" and/or M.2 stick.
 
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Freeangel1

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Seagate makes AWESOME disk testing software! use it all the time

But it is only Linux and Windows. FREE

 

tonmischa

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Your drive might be failing, your enclosure might start to fail, your cable might start failing.

But also important:
You might have run into the disadvantages of using APFS on a spinning hard disk.

Mike Bombich from CCC is one of many who has a good explanation about the performance hits of APFS:

I have tried APFS on spinning disks and I will never do it again. After a few months of use, it made my BarracudaPro slow like a laptop hard drive from 2005.
 
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MajorFubar

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The common factors here with two contributors reporting more or less the exact same symptoms are drives with multiple encrypted partitions.
 

Fishrrman

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For platter-based hard drives, you should be using HFS+ instead of APFS.

The only exceptions are when you MUST use APFS -- for example, as a boot volume or for time machine (I have never used tm, not sure about that).

Platter-based drives can become extremely fragmented under APFS. As a result, you'll get a lot of "disk thrashing", etc.
 

plyle

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If you can reformat the drive then format it in exFat mode and see if that helps. Plus exFat is usable on both Mac and Windows.
 
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