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alphanumericcharacter

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Jan 3, 2022
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Macbook Pro M1 2021 14 inch. Was running Monterey when I formatted the new drive, then running Ventura when I reformatted the drive and installed Ventura on it.
The connections are:
1. To the power source
2. External drive: LaCie 5TB that was on a list of compatible drives with the M1 Mac.
3. Apple trackpad attached to the Thunderbolt / USB-C port to interact with Apple's onscreen accessibility keyboard. I setup the onscreen keyboard to be available at the login screen at startup over a month ago.

Prior to this: I'd had an issue with the M1 recently, with apps crashing frequently, and a fan noise on shutdown, that seemed to be resolved when I finally did a reinstall of Monterey some time in the last few weeks. It was just a regular reinstall from the recovery disk, I did not erase first. Since then there has been no fan noise whether at shutdown or any other time, and I haven't had any apps crash since.

Steps on Wednesday morning to install Ventura on the LaCie drive: With Disk Utility, formatted the entire LaCie drive as APFS encrypted, GUID. Clicked in System Preferences to install the recommended Ventura upgrade, and clicked the accept license agreement. Usually there is a screen after this where you can select your drive to install the upgrade on, but I didn't see that screen. Instead, the process said it was going to restart, yet there was no button to cancel the install so I could save it for later use, just a button to restart. So, Ventura ended up on the M1 Macbook instead of the new external drive, which turned out all right because the Ventura installation went quickly and after installing seemed to run okay as I clicked around and didn't see any problems.

I then rebooted into recovery mode to install Ventura on the external drive. After selecting reinstall, the external drive was not available as it was encrypted. After reading that encrypted drives cannot be installed with macOS, I reformatted it while still in the recovery drive. This time I only reformatted the volume, not the drive, as APFS without the encryption.

Then I was able to select the newly formatted volume to do the reinstallation. It installed Ventura quickly and after installing I selected the external drive to boot into. Ventura seemed to be working fine on it.

I noticed FileVault was not enabled by default, so I clicked enable. The screen said this will take 6 hours. Looking back at the screen a few moments later, the screen had turned to what looks to be a dynamic screen saver. It has a large flower of varying shades of yellow against a blue sky background, and the scene keeps rotating around the flower petals, some petals are brighter yellow and some towards the bottom of the flower petal are closer to orange.

Since I thought it was a screensaver, I touched the physical keyboard to see if the screensaver would stop, hoping to see a progress bar, but touching the keyboard made no difference. I tried different keys, even very lightly and briefly touching the power button, but no change. The screen is still a moving scene of floating about a large yellow flower.

When I tried to use the external wired trackpad, I noticed the onscreen keyboard was available, and so was the pointer. The only thing the pointer will interact with is the accessibility keyboard. I can drag the accessibility keyboard around the screen, minimize the keyboard, change the size and switch between dark and light styles for the keyboard. I can repeat these tasks with the touchpad of the M1 Macbook, also.

But clicking anywhere else on the screen does nothing to change the background.

The LaCie drive blinks quickly every so often, it flashes too fast to properly count the blinks, but it's approximately 9 to 14 blinks per cycle. So I've been assuming it is being encrypted with FileVault, though there is no status bar telling me if the encrypting is actually taking place or how far along in the process it is.

It has now been over 72 hours with the dynamic screensaver still moving around the yellow flower petals, and the LaCie drive still flashing every so often.

I've been reading about FileVault encrypting taking a long time, especially with large drives, but is this non-interactive screensaver mode normal for this encryption process? Is there any way to get to the progress bar or find out the time left, or has this been done purposely to save energy?

Also, if I remove the connected Apple trackpad while the computer is still in this process of encryption, will that create an issue?


UPDATE: After shutdown, Macbook with no peripherals had trouble booting and so booted to recovery mode. How I got here:

Before shutdown:

Pressing a key on the Macbook's built-in keyboard will highlight that key on the onscreen accessibility keyboard. From the Macbook's built-in touchpad, I can control the pointer on the entire screen, including the screensaver and the accessibility keyboard, and interact with most of the menu items on the onscreen keyboard's menu, excluding the keyboard's settings menu. Was able to get into Dwell and use it to control the onscreen keyboard.

Bluetooth is active because next I unplugged the wired trackpad but was still able to use it to position the pointer onscreen. Then I turned off bluetooth on the trackpad and lost access. When I switched bluetooth on the trackpad, it reconnected and allowed me use of the pointer again.

I tried a few methods I read online for exiting the screensaver such as Command Control Q, Command Shift Q, closing the lid for 15 seconds.

Shutdown and attempt to reboot:

I had shut it down by pressing the power button for about a count of 10. Let it sit over an hour. Removed the LaCie external. Only connection is to the power source. Let it sit several hours.

Pressed power button.
Saw progress bar with apple logo start and move normally at first, then it slowed and stopped.

Then it switched to a black screen with apple logo without the progress bar for a second.

Then switched to another black screen with apple logo with the progress bar. The progress bar began to move for a second.

Then it booted to recovery partition. It says Macintosh HD on the left and Options on the right. The accessibility keyboard is available.

After a few min, it went into sleep mode or at least it went black and then woke up when I touched the space bar.

Not sure what to do next. The majority of my files were recently backed up, but I'd like to save the few files I made after it, before proceeding and possibly losing them. Safest way to do that?
 
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alphanumericcharacter

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Jan 3, 2022
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I would get in touch with Apple about this, 72 hours is way too long.
Thank you. I called and their only suggestion was to try to power down, but they couldn't assure me it wouldn't corrupt the drive to do that. If you power down during an encryption, do you only risk corruption of the external drive, or do you risk corrupting your own internal drive of the Macbook as well? I'm going to continue waiting for now as I'd seen a few posts about it taking days on drives with 500GB, and my external is 5TB.
 

alphanumericcharacter

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Jan 3, 2022
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You can see the encryption progress in terminal:

diskutil apfs list
Thank you. I can only access and interact with the accessibility keyboard. Behind that is what I believe to be a dynamic screensaver. None of the keys I press will remove the screensaver. So I can't access any of the apps including Terminal, and sadly I have not previously set up a hotkey to launch it. The only reason I can access the onscreen keyboard is because I had my computer set up to allow access to it for the login screen.
 

alphanumericcharacter

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Jan 3, 2022
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You will need to wait until the encryption is done. Otherwise, the drive may be corrupted.
Thank you. Will initiating sleep also cause the same potential of corruption or is it just the shutting down that will? I was just reading that a stuck screen saver may be fixed by trying to get it to sleep, but I don't want to risk interrupting the encryption. That is, if the encryption is still going on behind the screen saver.
 

kitKAC

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Thank you. I can only access and interact with the accessibility keyboard. Behind that is what I believe to be a dynamic screensaver. None of the keys I press will remove the screensaver. So I can't access any of the apps including Terminal, and sadly I have not previously set up a hotkey to launch it. The only reason I can access the onscreen keyboard is because I had my computer set up to allow access to it for the login screen.

Not being able to clear the screensaver using the normal keyboard is not the normal state of a Mac, so something is clearly wrong. I'd power off the machine and restart it. If the external drive gets corrupted, just wipe it and start again.
 

alphanumericcharacter

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Jan 3, 2022
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Not being able to clear the screensaver using the normal keyboard is not the normal state of a Mac, so something is clearly wrong. I'd power off the machine and restart it. If the external drive gets corrupted, just wipe it and start again.
Good to know. Is it only the external drive that risks corruption then? I wasn't clear on if the internal could also get corrupted.



I ask because there seems to have been a change in the way Apple sets up the external drives. I'm not sure if it's due to it being Ventura, or due to the silicon Mac, but when I installed Ventura on the external drive, the process asked me to "Select a user to set as owner of the new drive" which I've never been asked before from an intel Mac. Until this week, I'd thought external drives were treated as separate entities from the internal, but this prompt made me think Apple added or increased the link between them.
 

kitKAC

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Good to know. Is it only the external drive that risks corruption then? I wasn't clear on if the internal could also get corrupted.



I ask because there seems to have been a change in the way Apple sets up the external drives. I'm not sure if it's due to it being Ventura, or due to the silicon Mac, but when I installed Ventura on the external drive, the process asked me to "Select a user to set as owner of the new drive" which I've never been asked before from an intel Mac. Until this week, I'd thought external drives were treated as separate entities from the internal, but this prompt made me think Apple added or increased the link between them.

The internal disk will be fine, you're not booted off of that.

Installing macOS onto external drives changed with Apple Silicon

https://eclecticlight.co/2022/11/10/make-a-ventura-bootable-external-disk-for-an-apple-silicon-mac/
 

alphanumericcharacter

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Jan 3, 2022
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The internal disk will be fine, you're not booted off of that.

Installing macOS onto external drives changed with Apple Silicon

https://eclecticlight.co/2022/11/10/make-a-ventura-bootable-external-disk-for-an-apple-silicon-mac/
Thank you for the article. It's much more in depth than the one I read prior to the install.



It states the settings of the owner account will transfer to the external.



It says "you’ll be invited to copy that user’s account settings as the owner. Unless you know what you’re doing, simply tick the box here and proceed to Install."



I can't recall whether I'd ticked "Copy Account settings." Perhaps not, as I did not receive the screen stating "There is a previous user account on this computer." So it seems I entered into an advanced setup.



If I didn't copy account settings what does that change in the setup and use? Do I still create an admin account and standard account as usual? Are there settings that must be set up or changed?



Wow, this article also explains that softwareupdate was the reason I didn't see a choice of which drive to install Ventura on and why it automatically chose the internal.
 

kitKAC

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If I didn't copy account settings what does that change in the setup and use? Do I still create an admin account and standard account as usual? Are there settings that must be set up or changed?

Sorry, I don't know the answers to these questions. If you have a look around Howard's site, he's been installing Monterey and Big Sur onto external disks in the past, he might have covered those questions before in his testing.

Wow, this article also explains that softwareupdate was the reason I didn't see a choice of which drive to install Ventura on and why it automatically chose the internal.

Yeah, Ventura is the first time that a new version of macOS has arrived as a Delta update and not the full installer of previous releases. You wouldn't be able to use that to create a brand-new install on an external disk.
 
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