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Spudlicious

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Since updating to iOS15 - which may be irrelevant :) - my walking asymmetry as shown in Health app has declined to 0%. This would be brilliant if correct but it can’t be, not only am I a human of 73 years but recently I’ve had a hip injury/strain/whatever and have been limping somewhat.

Has anyone else come across this? Perhaps I should add that I’ve recently, mid-October, started wearing an Apple Watch. Not much impressed. Could that be factor?
 
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The walking asymmetry metric is there because it’s something that the phone can measure with its motion sensor — not necessarily because that data will provide anything very useful for the user. The Apple Watch has stuff like that too, measurements of stuff that don’t really need to be recorded.
 
I look at my walking asymmetry now and then recorded on my phone. I think it's a useful number if it's on the high side. Mine is typically 3.4% so no big deal. It might be interesting to know which foot is faster or slower than the other, but that might be too granular for this simple metric.
 
The walking asymmetry metric is there because it’s something that the phone can measure with its motion sensor — not necessarily because that data will provide anything very useful for the user. The Apple Watch has stuff like that too, measurements of stuff that don’t really need to be recorded.
Well, count yourself lucky that you don't find this feature useful, my friend. But those of us with degenerative movement disorders (like Parkinsons Disease) would, in fact, find this quite helpful to record.

That said - I have never gotten the "Walking Asymmetry" feature to work on my iPhone 6S Plus (currently on iOS 14), because there is no "set up" button to tap. The feature is listed in the Health App under Mobility, but there's no obvious way to set it up. So, can someone guide me thru how you got yours to work?

Unfortunately, I'm someone who would find this quite useful to track.

If I can't get it working on my 6S Plus, I'm considering upgrading to iPhone 8 or above to take advantage of the new "Walking Stability" metric in iOS 15 (assuming that I get confirmation that it actually functions). But I'd rather stay with the phone I have, if at all possible.

Any help with this would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
 
Well, count yourself lucky that you don't find this feature useful, my friend. But those of us with degenerative movement disorders (like Parkinsons Disease) would, in fact, find this quite helpful to record.

That said - I have never gotten the "Walking Asymmetry" feature to work on my iPhone 6S Plus (currently on iOS 14), because there is no "set up" button to tap. The feature is listed in the Health App under Mobility, but there's no obvious way to set it up. So, can someone guide me thru how you got yours to work?

Unfortunately, I'm someone who would find this quite useful to track.

If I can't get it working on my 6S Plus, I'm considering upgrading to iPhone 8 or above to take advantage of the new "Walking Stability" metric in iOS 15 (assuming that I get confirmation that it actually functions). But I'd rather stay with the phone I have, if at all possible.

Any help with this would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
iPhone 8 & ios15 required
 
iPhone 8 & ios15 required
Thank you, JZ. That link refers to "Walking Steadiness" which, I believe, is a new feature in iOS 15 (with iPhone8 and up).

However, my iPhone 6S Plus already has a feature called "Walking Asymmetry" in the Health App which I'd prefer to use if I can get it to work since it wouldn't require a new phone. Do you have any idea how to get that to work on my existing phone?

Thanks again!
 
Thank you, JZ. That link refers to "Walking Steadiness" which, I believe, is a new feature in iOS 15 (with iPhone8 and up).

However, my iPhone 6S Plus already has a feature called "Walking Asymmetry" in the Health App which I'd prefer to use if I can get it to work since it wouldn't require a new phone. Do you have any idea how to get that to work on my existing phone?

Thanks again!
try this:
 
Thanks for that link, JZ! Unfortunately, it sheds no light on how I can get "Walking Asymmetry" to work on my phone.:(
so does it show up in the health app? when you to that screen, t the bottom it says "data sources ..." my current iPhone model list listed, and strangely data going back to Sep 2020 which is I think when ios14 was released, but I did not get a new iPhone that year ...
just go and chat Apple support and ask them if 6S iPhone does support it ...
 
FYI - Yes - It does show up in the Health App. When I tap "Data Sources and Access", I get a screen saying "Apps Allowed to Read Data", "Research Studies Allowed to Read Data", and "Data Sources" - all of which show "None" that is greyed-out (it's un-tappable).

Thanks for your help as always.

Dumb Question: Where do I find Apple Support Chat?
 
Well, count yourself lucky that you don't find this feature useful, my friend. But those of us with degenerative movement disorders (like Parkinsons Disease) would, in fact, find this quite helpful to record.

That said - I have never gotten the "Walking Asymmetry" feature to work on my iPhone 6S Plus (currently on iOS 14), because there is no "set up" button to tap. The feature is listed in the Health App under Mobility, but there's no obvious way to set it up. So, can someone guide me thru how you got yours to work?

Unfortunately, I'm someone who would find this quite useful to track.

If I can't get it working on my 6S Plus, I'm considering upgrading to iPhone 8 or above to take advantage of the new "Walking Stability" metric in iOS 15 (assuming that I get confirmation that it actually functions). But I'd rather stay with the phone I have, if at all possible.

Any help with this would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

This Apple paper describes the rationale and development of iOS Mobility Metrics and specifically refers to them using motion sensors built into iPhone 8 and later, so it would appear that your 6S Plus is not going to do what you now want of it. Hope that's not a big blow, but it is a 2015 model and I assume has given you give sterling service.

I can answer your question about the Walking Steadiness metric. In short, yes it works.
In long, I don't have any diagnosed movement disorders, but I've long been aware that my balance and walking stability were poor. By poor walking stability I mean an inability to walk in a straight line, leading to a fear I might appear to be the worse for drink - I don't drink, BTW, and never have done. This is not something serious enough that I would want any sort of medical intervention but it was troubling to me. So, when I noticed my poor scores in the iOS Health app I decided to try to improve things by walking a lot more, in the possibly unscientific belief that strengthening the muscles involved in walking would make me better at it. I bought a treadmill to avoid the winter weather and other outdoor inconveniences, and I set to with three workouts per day. Two months later, during which I've turned 74, I think the medicine is working, as reflected by my iOS Walking Steadiness graph climbing into the high OK region; a numeric figure is not given.

To the best of my recollection the Walking Steadiness metric does not have to be specifically enabled.

Another iOS 15 metric, Fall Risk, is derived from the other Mobility Metrics and does have to be specifically enabled, after which an algorithm assesses the metrics over a period of time I recall to be a couple weeks before giving a result. It shows my risk of a fall in the next 12 months as low; I'm pleased about that because I've seen how disastrous falls can be for elderly people. I wear an Apple Watch almost entirely for its Fall Detection feature, I live alone and hopefully (fingers crossed, touch wood) it will summon the cavalry if I hit the deck.

What are all the iOS metrics worth? Any Apple spokesperson would tell you that iPhone is not a medical device, that's fair enough. I find the metrics a useful guide, I value the info they give me and I know of no other way that data would be available to me.

I hope some of the above is useful.
 
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Spudlicious, Thank so much for such an on-point reply! Yes - I find ALL of your comments useful, since it appears that we are both in the same (or similar) boat!

I'm a bit younger than you (69 years old) and also live alone. I was diagnosed with a movement disorder almost a year ago, which has motivated me to exercise and MOVE more than ever, in hopes of slowing its progression. I bought an Apple watch (SE) recently, mainly because of its fall detection feature. I hope to never need to use that feature, but you never know. I'd certainly like to find a safe way to test Fall Detection out to see how well it works though.

I know that my 6S Plus is "long in the tooth" now, so I am looking to replace it as cost-economically as possible. Strange that it supports iOS 14, but not all it's Health app features though (ie - "Walking Asymmetry"). Because of the metrics I want to track, that will require me to upgrade to an iPhone 8 or higher.

Would you know how the upgrade process works? I bought the 6S Plus at Walmart and use their "Straight Talk Wireless" service as my provider. (I'm fine with continuing with them.)

Is it simply a matter of moving the sim card from the old phone to the new? Would that seamlessly move my phone number, service provider, photos, music, contacts and other data, etc to the new phone?

What if the new phone has more Gigabyte storage than the old phone? Would moving the sim card limit the new phone's capacity to match the old phone's? If so, how do I move my phone number and data to the new phone so I get the increased storage capacity?

Sorry for all the questions, but I certainly appreciate the detailed info you've already provided!

Bert
 
Spudlicious, Thank so much for such an on-point reply! Yes - I find ALL of your comments useful, since it appears that we are both in the same (or similar) boat!

I'm a bit younger than you (69 years old) and also live alone. I was diagnosed with a movement disorder almost a year ago, which has motivated me to exercise and MOVE more than ever, in hopes of slowing its progression. I bought an Apple watch (SE) recently, mainly because of its fall detection feature. I hope to never need to use that feature, but you never know. I'd certainly like to find a safe way to test Fall Detection out to see how well it works though.

I know that my 6S Plus is "long in the tooth" now, so I am looking to replace it as cost-economically as possible. Strange that it supports iOS 14, but not all it's Health app features though (ie - "Walking Asymmetry"). Because of the metrics I want to track, that will require me to upgrade to an iPhone 8 or higher.

Would you know how the upgrade process works? I bought the 6S Plus at Walmart and use their "Straight Talk Wireless" service as my provider. (I'm fine with continuing with them.)

Is it simply a matter of moving the sim card from the old phone to the new? Would that seamlessly move my phone number, service provider, photos, music, contacts and other data, etc to the new phone?

What if the new phone has more Gigabyte storage than the old phone? Would moving the sim card limit the new phone's capacity to match the old phone's? If so, how do I move my phone number and data to the new phone so I get the increased storage capacity?

Sorry for all the questions, but I certainly appreciate the detailed info you've already provided!

Bert

I can offer no advice on Walmart processes, I'm in England.

Your phone number is associated with your sim, when you transfer the sim your number goes with it. I don't understand your question about data capacity but I'm sure you need have no concerns.

Transfer from iPhone to iPhone is indeed seamless. Once you sign into the new phone with your Apple ID your contacts, photos etc will start arriving on it; ensure you're connected to WiFi, Mobile Data costs can be hurtful. All of that data will still exist on the old phone, of course, and if you keep it as a spare (sound idea) it will sync with the new model when you switch it on once in a while.

If disposing of the 6S Plus be sure to wipe it properly and remove it from your Apple devices. Don't mean to patronise.

Always pleased to help a young fellow :)
 
I bought an iPhone SE (2020) at Walmart today. Got an excellent price. Walmart has a rep from my service provider in-store on Wednesdays thru Saturday, so I'll take advantage of that in transitioning from the old phone to the new later this week.

Thanks for all your help, Spudlicious! It's always good to gain some knowledge from one's "elders"! :D
 
I bought an iPhone SE (2020) at Walmart today. Got an excellent price. Walmart has a rep from my service provider in-store on Wednesdays thru Saturday, so I'll take advantage of that in transitioning from the old phone to the new later this week.

Thanks for all your help, Spudlicious! It's always good to gain some knowledge from one's "elders"! :D

The iPhone SE is a better choice than the iPhone 8 IMO due to superior innards and a longer update future, and it will certainly do what you need. A new phone is always something of a buzz, even for old codgers and even if its operation is pretty identical to a previous model, so enjoy.
 
The iPhone SE is a better choice than the iPhone 8 IMO due to superior innards and a longer update future, and it will certainly do what you need. A new phone is always something of a buzz, even for old codgers and even if its operation is pretty identical to a previous model, so enjoy.
Yeah, so I was told at the store, and I confirmed it by checking reviews of the SE online. It's quite small compared to my 6S Plus, so that will take some getting used to.

That said, while I'm finally getting data such as step length, double support time, walking speed, etc, I'm still getting "No Data" for Walking Asymmetry and Walking Steadiness. :(

I'll start a new thread in the SE sub-forum.

Thanks for all your help!

Bert
 
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