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Ways to combat Jailbreaker

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Upon hearing the late news that Apple is hiring a new security person. What do you think he/she will try to do? I think the first thing they'll do is get their iPhone jailbroken so they can learn the mistakes and holes from recent and past history. Then suggest a solution.

How would you combat the jailbreaker community if you were Apple's new security person?

I would make it that jailbreaking or unlock requires changing physical parts and these physical parts are very expensive to buy. Then I would create an app (free) to allow people to customize their phone exactly like how jailbreaker does it. I would stop combating hacker from the software side since coding can have human errors and be cracked by another human. I would probably start a new, secret programming language exclusively for the iPhone so that no programmer knows it. lol
 
i bet if they let you tweak the themes and be able to multitask, that would combat atleast 50% of jb'ers

but like me, i will always love to get more outta my electronics, and being a man, love to take things apart and mess with them. so no matter what, im jb'ing the iphone.
 
lllll said:
Upon hearing the late news that Apple is hiring a new security person. What do you think he/she will try to do? I think the first thing they'll do is get their iPhone jailbroken so they can learn the mistakes and holes from recent and past history. Then suggest a solution.

How would you combat the jailbreaker community if you were Apple's new security person?

I would make it that jailbreaking or unlock requires changing physical parts and these physical parts are very expensive to buy. Then I would create an app (free) to allow people to customize their phone exactly like how jailbreaker does it. I would stop combating hacker from the software side since coding can have human errors and be cracked by another human. I would probably start a new, secret programming language exclusively for the iPhone so that no programmer knows it. lol
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lllll said:
Upon hearing the late news that Apple is hiring a new security person. What do you think he/she will try to do? I think the first thing they'll do is get their iPhone jailbroken so they can learn the mistakes and holes from recent and past history. Then suggest a solution.

How would you combat the jailbreaker community if you were Apple's new security person?

I would make it that jailbreaking or unlock requires changing physical parts and these physical parts are very expensive to buy. Then I would create an app (free) to allow people to customize their phone exactly like how jailbreaker does it. I would stop combating hacker from the software side since coding can have human errors and be cracked by another human. I would probably start a new, secret programming language exclusively for the iPhone so that no programmer knows it. lol
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Theres alot of disagreements I have with your initial post O.P.

(1). For them to jailbreak their own phone to find exploits inside of an exploit will do nothing but further open the doors for future exploits, because what you are saying is similar to saying You will break something that has already been broken to find a better way to fix it.....its an oxi-moron almost.

(2). To add expensive physical parts will be bad on some many levels, for one more parts means more insulation of heat, which in the long run can damage the phone (and we already seen/heard of the reports of damaged screens from over heating with previous models).

(2a). To add expensive parts, would mean the phone will cost more money for the consumer, as well as the manufacturer. More cost of a phone will deter most consumers from purchasing new iphone. (great story, I wanted a Black Berry but because it would've costed me $500 as opposed to an iphone costing me $200.....I went with the cheapest *cough* i mean, less expensive)

(2b). To add expensive parts, would be repair of these parts by either consumer fault or Apple's fault would be too costly, hell the iphone right now doesnt even have a proper repair/replacement plan as it is now.

(2c). And finally, to add expensive parts would cause for an additional sector/section of coding which would more than likely(and I may be wrong) would have to be maintained outside of the regular iPhone system. cost yet again more money and additional man-power and labour hours.

(3). To create an Application which allows users to do exactly what JB'n and Cydia allows a user to do now would be idiotic. Because if thats the case why try and stop Jailbreaking at all? Its like out-lawing marijuana only to allow smokers of pot to apply for medical licenses to "legally" smoke it.....just too much red tape and b.s. politics

(4). Creating a secret programming language would not end up being secret for long. computers talk in coding, and computer languages so for you to create a device that syncs and hooks into a laptop, computer, etc. will more than likely allow for someone like hotz to find this coding and break it with ease. A Secret programming language wont work when its going to be used by million of consumers and thousands of hackers.
 
I totally disregarded this thread after the first posted ended with "lol".

Secret programming language? Ummmm okay… it's like speaking pig latin and expecting no one to understand because it's "secret".

There is no way to make a jailbreak or unlock "require" a hardware modification. Because the phone is always going to use code, and code is always going to have errors that can be exploited. End of story.

This thread is full of fail.
 
jmann said:
I totally disregarded this thread after the first posted ended with "lol".

Secret programming language? Ummmm okay… it's like speaking pig latin and expecting no one to understand because it's "secret".

There is no way to make a jailbreak or unlock "require" a hardware modification. Because the phone is always going to use code, and code is always going to have errors that can be exploited. End of story.

This thread is full of fail.
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Same here! But I'm sure the OP is just concerned and thinking out loud. Next time should write it down and read it back before posting :). The only thought that I think has merit is where Apple builds in some of the most requested (as seen by jbreakers) features so that a large population will not need to them anymore.

If they did a cool active lockscreen, multitasking, and some theming, I'd probably leave my phone stock. Oh, and come out with the promised tethering. Wait, they'll never let us do everything we want to over 3G, so forget it. I'll still jailbreak!!
 
better encryption! no one messes with blackberrys as their encryption is on army levels, fact.
 
Apple needs to define what they want to do and what are the biggest threats to Apple, customers, and developers..

First and foremost piracy seems to be what developers like Pika associate jalbreaking with. That is the dark side of jailbreaking.
I don't disagree with Pika wanting to be compensated for their work. What I disagree with is the association that all jailbreakers are pirating apps.

Apple owns it to their developers to secure their store and protect the devs efforts. Apple is quick to respond to protecting OSX but yet leave the Apps Store front door wide open. Combating that would simply make jailbreaking less of a threat to apple. Leaving the front dor open gives apple ammo to fight jailbreaking.

Apple shouldn't combat jailbreaking, let the community continue to develop and improve the iphone experieince. Then Apple can see what is working and implement those features.
Apple is getting free development tips from these rogue devs. Cherish it, stopping it will not benefit anyone.
Apple needs to be careful. As other phone continue to move forward, amatuer/professional developers may shift to platforms where their work is appreciated.
 
Any encryption or operating system is breakable.
Maybe noone bothers with them cause the simple functionality like multitasking, themeing, customization and other stuff is there to begin with.
Hacking most of the time is done to improve a product or gain more controll over the device.
Also if hackers put their mind into it Im sure it wont be that hard to hack a blackberry cellphone.


Swede said:
better encryption! no one messes with blackberrys as their encryption is on army levels, fact.
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I'd wager that most jailbreaking would stop if Apple let people use their phones as people sit fit to use them. Being able to customize your screens, sounds, enable real multitasking, allow applications to use 3G regardless of what AT&T deems to be "excessive usage" and so on. Apple, however, views it's users as idiots hell bent on theft and, I'm sure, will never bend when it comes to anything that would either step on the toes of the precious carrier or allow the user to steal music and/or programs using an unmodified phone. If Apple wants to stop jailbreaking once and for all, they can stop selling the iPhone. If they dumb it down any further you may as well go buy a cheap Nokia and nothing short of that will stop it.
 
Remove incentives. The majority of the JB community are loyal to the Apple phones, they just want more out of them...

Understand why folks JB, and offer mainstream apps to do most of these.

What are they? Monitor the most popular cydia/icy app downloads, do forum surveys etc. to learn what the JB community wants from their phone...and give it to us!

Bottom line, if most JB for extended capabilities, and Apple offered these, I would have no interest in JB. It is far too complex to do for the fun.

That would leave a very small community, and shutting the door on them would get little attention and little backlash. I bet 80% would go mainstream with 2-3 "enhancements" from Apple or App Store developers. The remainder are likely doing so for pirate SW, so they wont complain too loud for obvious reasons.
 
lllll said:
I would probably start a new, secret programming language exclusively for the iPhone so that no programmer knows it. lol
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Riiiiiight.

So how would this work with thousands of third party developers out there trying to write apps for Apple App store? :rolleyes:
 
Yikes

A carrier locked phone is requestied by the carrier. Sat AT&T ask apple to lock the phone to them as part of the contract. Apple would rather have all phones jb and unlocked, since it helps there sales. Also some countries require the phones be unlocked so apple has abet of a problem. Next thread please.
 
Sir S.A.B. said:
(1). For them to jailbreak their own phone to find exploits inside of an exploit will do nothing but further open the doors for future exploits, because what you are saying is similar to saying You will break something that has already been broken to find a better way to fix it.....its an oxi-moron almost.
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Actually, that's not always the case. Company hire hackers to break into their networks and then help them make it more secure through the data obtained.

Applejuiced said:
Any encryption or operating system is breakable.
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This statement is correct. However, not all encryptions are worth breaking into, because it can take too long to crack (e.g. encryption used for credit card transactions online).

As for what I would do, I'd give the users most of what they want plus Java SE support, so I can use the programs I made on it. Objective-C does not make much sense to me, as my first programming language was Java and I'm just learning C.
 
techwarrior said:
That would leave a very small community, and shutting the door on them would get little attention and little backlash. I bet 80% would go mainstream with 2-3 "enhancements" from Apple or App Store developers. The remainder are likely doing so for pirate SW, so they wont complain too loud for obvious reasons.
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I disagree. Maybe 80% of the jailbreakers just want themes and a couple features but there's a lot of people who don't want a phone that has cool apps, they want a computer in their pocket. I wouldn't have an iPhone if I couldn't access/modify the system, run my own scripts, disable the junk I don't want, and just generally use it however I see fit. There is nothing Apple can do to remedy that as long as they insist on keeping the user in a sandbox.
 
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