iMac Pro What are the iMacPro Core i9 18 core Geekbench Scores?

[jeabraham]

If I go to browser.geekbench.com and search for i9-7980XE

https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/search?utf8=✓&q=i9-7980XE

I see many "iMacPro1,1" results, formatted roughly like this:
iMacPro1,1Intel Core i9-7980XE 2592 MHz (18 cores)

For example this one:
https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/6366073

Are these the XEON W-2190B processors in the 18 core iMacPro misidentified? Or is Apple selling i9s and relabeling them as XEON-W's?

Or are these iMacs that people are retrofitting with Core i9s?

If I search 2190B on browser.geekbench.com nothing shows up.

 

[jerwin]

5332 /48831

 

[cynics]

18 Core is the W-2195.

I'm assuming (I'm sure someone more educated in this matter will chime in) they were just misidentified due to similarities. The W-2195 is Intels Xeon W CPU and includes all the features like ECC memory support and of course the Xeon price tag which the i9 doesn't.

Apple isn't rebadging anything.

EDIT: Sorry meant W-2190B. Nearly indistinguishable correct?

 

[0388631]

Base and Turbo frequency need to be checked and not just the core count. That said, even if they rebadged it, you can't use ECC memory on a processor that doesn't support ECC.

 

[boto]

Xeon models W-2170B and W-2190B are the ones designed for the iMac Pro 14 and 18 cores, respectively. I'm not sure if there is any differences between the retail version since the specs are identical. You can check this link: https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/intel/xeon_w

 

[sputnikBA]

I see many "iMacPro1,1" results, formatted roughly like this:
iMacPro1,1Intel Core i9-7980XE 2592 MHz (18 cores)

For example this one:
https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/6366073

They are hackintoshes. After someone provided software dumps from the iMac Pro’s version of 10.13.2 & 13.3 to the guys on tonymac, a few of them have been using the data to build their hackintoshes with 7900X - 7980XE.

This is why you are seeing a bunch of false “iMacPro1,1”s with those chips on Geekbench. I’ve said it before but I really wish Geekbench had a better way of filtering out false models, as well as filtering out data from chips that have been overclocked.

 

[0388631]

They are hackintoshes. After someone provided software dumps from the iMac Pro’s version of 10.13.2 & 13.3 to the guys on tonymac, a few of them have been bruising the data to build their hackintoshes with 7900X - 7980XE.

This is why you are seeing a bunch of false “iMacPro1,1”s with those chips on Geekbench. I’ve said it before but I really wish Geekbench had a better way of filtering out false models, as well as filtering out data from chips that have been overclocked.

Oh. Is that what the "1,1" means? I've seen it before but figured it was a bug. I never really paid attention to the processors on reports. If it wasn't for this thread, I wouldn't have questioned an Extreme processor being used in an iMac Pro.

Edit: For some reason Yurc isn't able to comprehend my question. Ignore his rambling. I inquired because I'd seen 1,1 in reports with processors never available for Apple lines.

 

[yurc]

Oh. Is that what the "1,1" means?

Is model identifier of iMac Pro. iMac Pro is new product, so it's start with number 1 again. If iMac Pro refreshed next year, probably it will became iMacPro 2,1.

Another easy example. :
Mac Pro 2009 is MacPro 4,1
Mac Pro 2010 is MacPro 5,1
Mac Pro 2013 is MacPro 6,1

Other Apple product also use this pattern too. (iPads. iPhone)

About hackintosh with 7900X - 7980XE processor, they using iMac Pro system definition without no reason. Their i9 chips actually are similar chip with Xeon W, just without ECC and plus overclock capability. So with iMac Pro system definition, they get native and better power management, including sleep, CPU stepping, etc.

So basically in hackintosh, if your hardware configuration closely match with one of official Mac available, you should use them, like those i9 case above.

I really wish Geekbench had a better way of filtering out false models

Actually, even genuine Mac with self upgraded processor which not listed in Apple will became 'false model'. Before i swap my CPU on my Mac Pro 2012, my machine still show as 'Mac Pro Mid 2012', but after upgrading CPU with X5690 (powerful model of westmere CPU which not sold by Apple), it shown as generic 'Mac Pro 5,1' only.

 

[jeabraham]

A couple of W-2170B show up with a geekbench score of 5200/41000
https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/search?utf8=✓&q=W-2170B
But I’m still not seeing any W-2190Bs.

Edit: which makes me doubly thankful to @jerwin who posted the video showing a 5222 / 48831 geekbench score.

 

[sputnikBA]

A couple of W-2170B show up with a geekbench score of 5200/41000
https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/search?utf8=✓&q=W-2170B
But I’m still not seeing any W-2190Bs.

Edit: which makes me doubly thankful to @jerwin who posted the video showing a 5222 / 48831 geekbench score.

Geekbench doesn’t really post results until they receive a certain number of them. 18 core models are still pretty rare out in the field.

Actually, even genuine Mac with self upgraded processor which not listed in Apple will became 'false model'. Before i swap my CPU on my Mac Pro 2012, my machine still show as 'Mac Pro Mid 2012', but after upgrading CPU with X5690 (powerful model of westmere CPU which not sold by Apple), it shown as generic 'Mac Pro 5,1' only.

My point though is that if you are someone trying to look up what performance looks like on say the retail 18 core iMac Pro, what good is it to see hackintoshes or overclocked models? Those aren’t going to give you any idea of the performance you will get if you buy a the actual model from a retailer. The info isn’t useful and there should be a better way of filtering it out when you are searching through results.

 

[SecuritySteve]

If I go to browser.geekbench.com and search for i9-7980XE

https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/search?utf8=✓&q=i9-7980XE

I see many "iMacPro1,1" results, formatted roughly like this:
iMacPro1,1Intel Core i9-7980XE 2592 MHz (18 cores)

For example this one:
https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/6366073

Are these the XEON W-2190B processors in the 18 core iMacPro misidentified? Or is Apple selling i9s and relabeling them as XEON-W's?

Or are these iMacs that people are retrofitting with Core i9s?

If I search 2190B on browser.geekbench.com nothing shows up.

Check my 18 core delivery thread, we've had two people (including myself) post 18 core bench results. They range from 4.2-4.5k single core and 44-47k multicore. The iMacs with i9s are Hackintoshes.

 

[mcewangus]

A couple of W-2170B show up with a geekbench score of 5200/41000
https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/search?utf8=✓&q=W-2170B
But I’m still not seeing any W-2190Bs.

Edit: which makes me doubly thankful to @jerwin who posted the video showing a 5222 / 48831 geekbench score.

Intel Xeon W-2191B