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zakarhino

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So Apple Music on macOS is still a sluggish mess, some of this year's Music features are half baked such as the artist follow feature, there's evidence of an upcoming Apple Music Classical app, and overall there's really nothing fundamentally new in Apple Music this year.

My theory (another word for "dream" given this will never happen) is Apple are preparing an enormous revamp of Apple Music along with the long rumored Apple Music Classical experience for browsing classical records intuitively (by composition, composer, etc. the full dream spec for any classical listener). Not only will the app finally be usable on macOS, it will also introduce a brand new experience for discovering music and expanding your library outside of the dehumanizing presentation of AI suggestion playlists.

Give me features nobody else is bothering to do. I'm sick of every streaming platform having the same interface and feature set (aka: a barebones "My Library" browser, playlists, recommended platform playlists, 'radio' playlists with seemingly unstructured recommendations. why is everything outside of genre pages represented as a barebones playlist UX???)

- new ways to explore music by country of origin, maybe a world map interface to go along with it (cover flow was an original way of exploring your own music, why not create more original interfaces for exploring new music?)

- more detailed extensive genre browsing including interesting niche sub-genres, emerging musical trends, and more OUTSIDE of linear playlists ("Hip Hop" is comprised of many MANY different sub genres within it from all over the world). there are people out there with deep knowledge of UK grime, NY drill, 90s west coast rap, why isn't that knowledge and *narrative* finding its way into Apple Music outside of playlists with absolutely 0 context and no related content such as a lone "Best of 90s Rap" playlist randomly sitting somewhere in the "Hip Hop" page.

- more original interfaces for browsing sub genres as well as 'snapshots' of musical moments in history. instead of a "Best of 00s Pop" playlist that has the same barebones utility and look we've had for 2 decades, give me a chronological interface of music with annotations from an expert explaining the significance of those songs or albums. the ability to play in different sorting arrangements: default sorting as setup by the playlist author, by release date, by artist, etc.

- artist bios including ages, nationality, and anything else that helps me understand who the artist is and how their identity potentially informs the kind of music they make (why do I have to do this independently on wikipedia or via social media)

- don't just show me "related artists" show me WHY they're related, what sub genre do these artists share? what period? what relationship? have they worked on songs together? is this other artists an inspiration for the artist I'm currently looking at? maybe vice versa?

- anonymous stats on demographic of people listening to a certain genre, artist, playlist, etc. including a real time trends page showing what's being listened to at this very second rather than "what's generally trending this week"

- an original detailed chronological interface for an artist's work with clear distinctions on which projects are collabs, features, etc. include greyed out projects from artists that aren't on DSPs but can be tracked down elsewhere independently (such as mixtapes). i.e, not just a grid of album art with tiny greyed out years underneath them)

- tastemakers should have public profiles too (not just artists) where they can publish what they're listening to right now, original playlists, etc. I think Spotify has something like this but Apple could do a much better job.


Apple are the one DSP that can budget something like this. They could be truly innovating on the most important aspect of music outside of listening: DISCOVERY! but instead look to gimmicks like 360 audio (atmos) that don't add much to the experience anyway. Is it a tall order? Difficult to accomplish and requires lots of music domain experts to contribute? Yes but historically that hasn't stopped Apple.

and before someone adds the inevitable "I love Atmos it's awesome" comment, that's great and I'm happy for you but wouldn't you love to see discovery updates too?
 
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Expos of 1969

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So Apple Music on macOS is still a sluggish mess, some of this year's Music features are half baked such as the artist follow feature, there's evidence of an upcoming Apple Music Classical app, and overall there's really nothing fundamentally new in Apple Music this year.

My theory (another word for "dream" given this will never happen) is Apple are preparing an enormous revamp of Apple Music along with the long rumored Apple Music Classical experience for browsing classical records intuitively (by composition, composer, etc. the full dream spec for any classical listener). Not only will the app finally be usable on macOS, it will also introduce a brand new experience for discovering music and expanding your library outside of the dehumanizing presentation of AI suggestion playlists.

Give me features nobody else is bothering to do. I'm sick of every streaming platform having the same interface and feature set (aka: a barebones "My Library" browser, playlists, recommended platform playlists, 'radio' playlists with seemingly unstructured recommendations. why is everything outside of genre pages represented as a barebones playlist UX???)

- new ways to explore music by country of origin, maybe a world map interface to go along with it (cover flow was an original way of exploring your own music, why not create more original interfaces for exploring new music?)

- more detailed extensive genre browsing including interesting niche sub-genres, emerging musical trends, and more OUTSIDE of linear playlists ("Hip Hop" is comprised of many MANY different sub genres within it from all over the world). there are people out there with deep knowledge of UK grime, NY drill, 90s west coast rap, why isn't that knowledge and *narrative* finding its way into Apple Music outside of playlists with absolutely 0 context and no related content such as a lone "Best of 90s Rap" playlist randomly sitting somewhere in the "Hip Hop" page.

- more original interfaces for browsing sub genres as well as 'snapshots' of musical moments in history. instead of a "Best of 00s Pop" playlist that has the same barebones utility and look we've had for 2 decades, give me a chronological interface of music with annotations from an expert explaining the significance of those songs or albums. the ability to play in different sorting arrangements: default sorting as setup by the playlist author, by release date, by artist, etc.

- artist bios including ages, nationality, and anything else that helps me understand who the artist is and how their identity potentially informs the kind of music they make (why do I have to do this independently on wikipedia or via social media)

- don't just show me "related artists" show me WHY they're related, what sub genre do these artists share? what period? what relationship? have they worked on songs together? is this other artists an inspiration for the artist I'm currently looking at? maybe vice versa?

- anonymous stats on demographic of people listening to a certain genre, artist, playlist, etc. including a real time trends page showing what's being listened to at this very second rather than "what's generally trending this week"

- an original detailed chronological interface for an artist's work with clear distinctions on which projects are collabs, features, etc. include greyed out projects from artists that aren't on DSPs but can be tracked down elsewhere independently (such as mixtapes). i.e, not just a grid of album art with tiny greyed out years underneath them)

- tastemakers should have public profiles too (not just artists) where they can publish what they're listening to right now, original playlists, etc. I think Spotify has something like this but Apple could do a much better job.


Apple are the one DSP that can budget something like this. They could be truly innovating on the most important aspect of music outside of listening: DISCOVERY! but instead look to gimmicks like 360 audio (atmos) that don't add much to the experience anyway. Is it a tall order? Difficult to accomplish and requires lots of music domain experts to contribute? Yes but historically that hasn't stopped Apple.

and before someone adds the inevitable "I love Atmos it's awesome" comment, that's great and I'm happy for you but wouldn't you love to see discovery updates too?
Some interesting suggestions. Apple Music should be so much better than it is. As a beginning, it should at least work smoothly on a Mac.
 

Cromulent

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I just wish Apple Music could compete with Spotify when it came to recommended artists, songs and albums via your listen to history. I know Apple Music already does recommended radio stations. Still, I would have thought Apple could massively increase the number and diversity of AI-generated playlists, making it easier to find new artists and songs.
 

rumz

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I can only guess that the biggest obstacle to such an experience would be data — getting all the additional needed metadata to support these modes of discovery added to 90 million tracks. But— maybe they’ve been working on that ;)
 

Cromulent

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I can only guess that the biggest obstacle to such an experience would be data — getting all the additional needed metadata to support these modes of discovery added to 90 million tracks. But— maybe they’ve been working on that ;)
I get what you are saying about data but Apple Music is the 2nd largest music streaming service. I hope they do improve it. I haven't read much about Apple Music on iOS 16 and macOS 13 though so I'm not sure what is coming with those updates.
 

rumz

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I get what you are saying about data but Apple Music is the 2nd largest music streaming service. I hope they do improve it. I haven't read much about Apple Music on iOS 16 and macOS 13 though so I'm not sure what is coming with those updates.
Oh I hope they improve it as well— the bar is just much, much lower for me in wanting a better app / UI for the existing functionality.

I do use iTunes in the Cloud / iTunes Match / whatever it’s called these days, but not Apple Music. I use Spotify but wish I were getting the sound quality that I get with Apple’s music library (to say nothing of the quality I’m not getting as a non-streaming subscriber— no lossless / hi-res for me unless i manage it locally).

I was more just thinking about my own experience working on UI/UX and how getting that rich data is such an obstacle, especially with limited resources. Apple is the opposite of resource constrained— but the question still remains in my mind what it would take to make getting that catalog updated worthwhile to them. We’ll see! Maybe we will see something at least richer than we have today, they could have been at it for a while.
 

Appelrocks

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I get what you are saying about data but Apple Music is the 2nd largest music streaming service. I hope they do improve it. I haven't read much about Apple Music on iOS 16 and macOS 13 though so I'm not sure what is coming with those updates.
Maybe the dysfunctional function of the apple music interface isn’t so much about data but more of pushing their own agenda instead of a more personal experience.
 

RealPlastic

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Aug 15, 2022
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Speaking from iOS perspective....

Better recommendations please. I get tired of the same songs over and over again. "New Music Mix" is the same artists over and over again each week. Nothing new or original about that.

Some of the playlists contain almost "too many choices" - in other words listen (or advance through) an Apple-made playlist of 90 songs and find one keeper. That's just too much time spent fiddling with my phone to find new music. AM seems to be designed to keep users engaged.

Make it so my "personal radio station" plays more than 5-10 songs in a loop. Have to click the station again to get another batch of songs. This doesn't even fit the basic definition of a radio station!

Quite often at the end of a song, playback just stops. Have to click play or next to resume playback. Makes no sense.
 
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JustSomebody12

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In order of my personal priority (most to least):

-Crossfading;

-Better AI suggestions (or let 3rd-party apps or sites suggest Music);

-Split the featuring authors from the title field.
 

krell100

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Apple Music is a horrible application with a subpar UI. My first suggestion to Apple would be to use Roon for a while. Its music discovery and information is brilliant and the UI/UX stunning. Apple Music is a joke in comparison.
 
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