What do you want in Panther? I think all the optimizations are good, but we need something more if we are going shell out $129 for it. I'd say, 64-bit support (implying 970), that thing MOSR was talking about, remote graphical logins, that piles thing, maybe some rethinking on the dock, and more enhacnements to the Finder. This would all be good, but maybe I am forgetting some stuff, what do you guys think?
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What do you want in Panther?
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a new filesystem, transparent use of x11 apps, webcore integrated into the os, full finder ftp functionality, a supported api for docklings, a way to remove the stripes...
usually i can thing of many more things it should have, but when actually asked, i draw a blank.
usually i can thing of many more things it should have, but when actually asked, i draw a blank.
I read about a feature that sounded really cool that apple apparently developed a long time ago and just dropped. You could save a search as a folder. So you'd do a search for everything that is a .mov file for example. Save the search as a folder, and when you open this folder on the desktop, it would have all of those files that match that criteria in there, dynamically updating all the time and without actually moving the files themselves (they would all stay in their original locations, its sort like a bunch of aliases to those files that meet the search criteria). I thought that sounded like a great idea. I think I read about it at arstechnica.com, but I don't really remember.
More user control over interface stuff (like turning off the transparancy of windows).
I'd love to see the ability to peg different parts of the dock to different parts of the screen. Like I'll peg applications to the left side of the screen and documents to the right side and they'd both fill in towards the middle as more things are opened. Something like that that is totally user defined, or multiple docks (something I hear existed in the Next operating system)
I'm sure some new cool things could come to the finder.
Overall though I doesn't really matter to me cause I have a bondi blue iMac that runs OS X slow as mollasses, so I won't be seeing anything of OS X until I get a new machine. Its been going 5 years now and will probably stay running for a good bit longer (at least until 970's are in the consumer line and on the second revision in all likelihood)
More user control over interface stuff (like turning off the transparancy of windows).
I'd love to see the ability to peg different parts of the dock to different parts of the screen. Like I'll peg applications to the left side of the screen and documents to the right side and they'd both fill in towards the middle as more things are opened. Something like that that is totally user defined, or multiple docks (something I hear existed in the Next operating system)
I'm sure some new cool things could come to the finder.
Overall though I doesn't really matter to me cause I have a bondi blue iMac that runs OS X slow as mollasses, so I won't be seeing anything of OS X until I get a new machine. Its been going 5 years now and will probably stay running for a good bit longer (at least until 970's are in the consumer line and on the second revision in all likelihood)
I am pretty darn happy with 10.2.x, but I would like more seamless x11 apps. What is your opinions of the cost of Panther? Will it be a free or pay upgrade?
I have the best feature
Network Multiprocesing.
I mean, if I have 3 machines, why not use the 3 processors at same time in every single application with or without network rendering options?
That would be so cool and will liberate Apple from lunching a super fast processor to compete with Intel.
The tendency is that every body are gonna have a desktop (iMac) and a iBook at list, imagine to be able to use booth togather to process stuff like iMovie.
That is what I would really woudl like to have. To be able to use all the machines in the lab when no one is there to render stuff in Photoshop or any other soft.
Network Multiprocesing.
I mean, if I have 3 machines, why not use the 3 processors at same time in every single application with or without network rendering options?
That would be so cool and will liberate Apple from lunching a super fast processor to compete with Intel.
The tendency is that every body are gonna have a desktop (iMac) and a iBook at list, imagine to be able to use booth togather to process stuff like iMovie.
That is what I would really woudl like to have. To be able to use all the machines in the lab when no one is there to render stuff in Photoshop or any other soft.
* Scanner software that works with all brands of scanner;
* A new AppleWorks (though I'm not sure if this would come with the OS) or similar WP/SS/DB software.
I do expect Panther to be a paid upgrade.
I paid for Jaguar, and am quite happy with it, so Panther will have to be pretty impressive before I pay full price for the upgrade.
* A new AppleWorks (though I'm not sure if this would come with the OS) or similar WP/SS/DB software.
I do expect Panther to be a paid upgrade.
I paid for Jaguar, and am quite happy with it, so Panther will have to be pretty impressive before I pay full price for the upgrade.
Working Core MIDI and Core Audio! Apple has taken a good thing and made it worse with 10.24, then destroyed my studio rig with 10.25. I think this treatment of the audio industry is extraordinarily disrespectful. When you consider that Apple purchased Emagic last year it becomes intolerable.
Dan
Edit - for those who defend Apple - there is no excuse to release two updates in a row that raise conflicts with ALL of my hardware and software on the Aduio/MIDI side of things.
Dan
Edit - for those who defend Apple - there is no excuse to release two updates in a row that raise conflicts with ALL of my hardware and software on the Aduio/MIDI side of things.
From a thread over at appleinsider....
First off, what I'm about to say will probably be regarded as BS, lies, and more lies. I'm positive about the information and have, and even if you don't believe me now you'll get to see sometime after June. This is going to be a huge year for Apple.
You'll see IBM 970 64bit w/ "Altivec Velocity Engine Extreme"
You will see Mac OS 10.3 available on x86 Intel Processors. At first it will run in server enviroments only (because apps will need to be recompiled with a simple tool) Later on you will see apple release it for sale with certian OEM computers. They have a way to limit it for testing acceptance to only those OEM machines. If it goes as planned OS X will sell to anyone with a x86 box. This wasn't ever supposed to actually happen, but the CEO of Intel has been pushing Apple's board of directors really hard on this.
There is also OS X 10.3 being ported to the 64bit offerings to be forthcoming from AMD. I cannot confirm it this version of OS X will ever be released.
Some Details of OS X 10.3 (some of you probably guessed these)
64bit OS, including rewritten finder to take advantage! Jokes have been made about "finder extreme".
Multiple concurrent GUI logins (similar to XP but with solid unix)
OSXFS - New filesystem, based off of BeOS Filesytem. Very cool features built right into the finder! 10.3 Includes the ability to lay windows out with rich HTML based on the webcore. You can use "simple/regular" finder mode to bypass these. The ability to assign files categories like ID3 tags. Ever finder window can be searched realtime similar to the itunes search thanks to OSXFS. You can find all files that were assigned "category" business in 1 second flat.
New Print Services and much better dialog windows
New Navigation services! Three different ways to drill down files, you can even click a button to "spot" the folder. This means your cursor changes and you can move through the finder to locate the folder then hit enter key to finish saving. You can also assign the file categories at this time or the application can by default. files created by apple sound track editor can automatically be assigned "audio", so could files from an updated pro tools.
Bundles (some of you call them piles) work sort of like this, you could select 20 files and say "these are all the files for my project" monitor them. when you go to move 1 file it will automatically copy the rest with it. You can also condense them to look like a folder. Think files on different hard drives, different networks all as one project "folder" all updating and all copying when you move them. Very cool.
New themes and sound effects, lots of interfaces changes, and customizations you can make for yourself
New dock, so many new features, split mode, text mode, "start menu" like mode for people who prefer windows. dock is very slick in this version, better than the start menu.
new quicktime, very very nice player, apple went all out! even supports nonstandard divx format and wierd avis, it's new billing will be "anything motion" (not those exact words)
new ichat, built in video conferencing (works with netmeeting!), voice chat, secure chat, better sortable and group lists, jabber support, plug in module support (for other IM services) and many cool new features and several mac only ones
new mail.app uses webcore for parsing html/mime email now, much faster and better, offers exchange server support, and many other new features, including a new "view" that looks exactly like outlook 2003 preview for windows. (you can still use old ones) mail is much faster.
built in ftp, sftp, scp into the finder connect to server menu.
much improved sharing controls for sharing with windows and unix enviroments, lots of complex options.
new built in remote access software, much better and faster than stupid remote access from apple. It reminded me of terminal server for windows. very fast.
new itunes (this will be out sooner i think) speed updates and built in support for music service?? new wireless and options to "share" your files with friends only on certian files.
new iphoto (very very very very very very very very fast)
new appleworks (new name, don't know if it ships with it, looked very nice!)
that's all i can remember.
http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?threadid=23296&perpage=40&pagenumber=2
Granted, every one seems to have "the inside scoop" about what 10.3 will contain. Regardless, this thread struck me as interesting.
Any thoughts?
First off, what I'm about to say will probably be regarded as BS, lies, and more lies. I'm positive about the information and have, and even if you don't believe me now you'll get to see sometime after June. This is going to be a huge year for Apple.
You'll see IBM 970 64bit w/ "Altivec Velocity Engine Extreme"
You will see Mac OS 10.3 available on x86 Intel Processors. At first it will run in server enviroments only (because apps will need to be recompiled with a simple tool) Later on you will see apple release it for sale with certian OEM computers. They have a way to limit it for testing acceptance to only those OEM machines. If it goes as planned OS X will sell to anyone with a x86 box. This wasn't ever supposed to actually happen, but the CEO of Intel has been pushing Apple's board of directors really hard on this.
There is also OS X 10.3 being ported to the 64bit offerings to be forthcoming from AMD. I cannot confirm it this version of OS X will ever be released.
Some Details of OS X 10.3 (some of you probably guessed these)
64bit OS, including rewritten finder to take advantage! Jokes have been made about "finder extreme".
Multiple concurrent GUI logins (similar to XP but with solid unix)
OSXFS - New filesystem, based off of BeOS Filesytem. Very cool features built right into the finder! 10.3 Includes the ability to lay windows out with rich HTML based on the webcore. You can use "simple/regular" finder mode to bypass these. The ability to assign files categories like ID3 tags. Ever finder window can be searched realtime similar to the itunes search thanks to OSXFS. You can find all files that were assigned "category" business in 1 second flat.
New Print Services and much better dialog windows
New Navigation services! Three different ways to drill down files, you can even click a button to "spot" the folder. This means your cursor changes and you can move through the finder to locate the folder then hit enter key to finish saving. You can also assign the file categories at this time or the application can by default. files created by apple sound track editor can automatically be assigned "audio", so could files from an updated pro tools.
Bundles (some of you call them piles) work sort of like this, you could select 20 files and say "these are all the files for my project" monitor them. when you go to move 1 file it will automatically copy the rest with it. You can also condense them to look like a folder. Think files on different hard drives, different networks all as one project "folder" all updating and all copying when you move them. Very cool.
New themes and sound effects, lots of interfaces changes, and customizations you can make for yourself
New dock, so many new features, split mode, text mode, "start menu" like mode for people who prefer windows. dock is very slick in this version, better than the start menu.
new quicktime, very very nice player, apple went all out! even supports nonstandard divx format and wierd avis, it's new billing will be "anything motion" (not those exact words)
new ichat, built in video conferencing (works with netmeeting!), voice chat, secure chat, better sortable and group lists, jabber support, plug in module support (for other IM services) and many cool new features and several mac only ones
new mail.app uses webcore for parsing html/mime email now, much faster and better, offers exchange server support, and many other new features, including a new "view" that looks exactly like outlook 2003 preview for windows. (you can still use old ones) mail is much faster.
built in ftp, sftp, scp into the finder connect to server menu.
much improved sharing controls for sharing with windows and unix enviroments, lots of complex options.
new built in remote access software, much better and faster than stupid remote access from apple. It reminded me of terminal server for windows. very fast.
new itunes (this will be out sooner i think) speed updates and built in support for music service?? new wireless and options to "share" your files with friends only on certian files.
new iphoto (very very very very very very very very fast)
new appleworks (new name, don't know if it ships with it, looked very nice!)
that's all i can remember.
http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?threadid=23296&perpage=40&pagenumber=2
Granted, every one seems to have "the inside scoop" about what 10.3 will contain. Regardless, this thread struck me as interesting.
Any thoughts?
PILES!...he he...actually i just would like to see it to really understand.
other than that, i wanna see the GUI moving faster with some minor enhancements.
other than that, i wanna see the GUI moving faster with some minor enhancements.
now that i think about it, a finder with webcore based display would be quite cool. imagine coming up with custom css and graphics for window contents. one thing which is not dependant on 10.3 at all, but which i would like to see, is storage of bookmarks in the addressbook. this way, you could share the same bookmarks between all of your browsers and any other app that needed the info (see: webcore finder).
What about tabs integrated into the OS? This could be integrated in multiple ways.
In finder windows, you could have multiple folders open in tabs.
There could be tabs under the dock, that you could click and it would only show certain applications in the dock. You could organize them into Internet Apps, Graphics Apps, Office Apps, etc., and obviously a "Show All" tab. The dock could adjust according to what applications you use. I keep a lot of applications in my dock, some of which I don't use everyday, but would still like to keep them there. This would essentially become a part of the dock, so hiding the dock would hide the "tabs" as well.
It would be cool to have tabs under the menu bar that correspond to different desktops. If someone uses a laptop at both work and home, you could have 2 desktops, one for all your work stuff and another for home. At a creative agency, if you have more than one station (graphics station, video station, audio station, etc.), each person could easily have their own desktop setup, without having to log in and out all the time. (This could also control the dock, as explained above.)
This could even be how you access multiple logins simultaneously.
I came up with these ideas while thinking about how tabs should be used in other applications.
In finder windows, you could have multiple folders open in tabs.
There could be tabs under the dock, that you could click and it would only show certain applications in the dock. You could organize them into Internet Apps, Graphics Apps, Office Apps, etc., and obviously a "Show All" tab. The dock could adjust according to what applications you use. I keep a lot of applications in my dock, some of which I don't use everyday, but would still like to keep them there. This would essentially become a part of the dock, so hiding the dock would hide the "tabs" as well.
It would be cool to have tabs under the menu bar that correspond to different desktops. If someone uses a laptop at both work and home, you could have 2 desktops, one for all your work stuff and another for home. At a creative agency, if you have more than one station (graphics station, video station, audio station, etc.), each person could easily have their own desktop setup, without having to log in and out all the time. (This could also control the dock, as explained above.)
This could even be how you access multiple logins simultaneously.
I came up with these ideas while thinking about how tabs should be used in other applications.