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Target362

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Jul 22, 2009
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is that Apple and microsoft bash eachother, and yet they offer services for each other. Apple, bashes microsoft and windows, and yet they alow windows to run on their computers. ipods can also work with windows, as well as itunes saffari etc. exchange support etc
 
Feb 15, 2009
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I don't find it very funny. That is called "competition". The reason Apple allows those things on their Macs and specific things on Windows is to allow more people to use their product. It does not matter on where, it is theirs though. If Apple would make their iPods Mac only, more than half of the market share for iPods would be lost. That's why Apple does it.
For Bootcamp, Apple allows people to run Windows on the MAC. Meaning they are using a Mac, which is what Apple wants. It does not matter if it is a Windows PC or a Mac, it is Apple's.
 

Target362

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Jul 22, 2009
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I think you two missed the point. Apple always bashes microsoft, and yet they support some of their products.
 

kate-willbury

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Feb 14, 2009
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I don't find it very funny. That is called "competition". The reason Apple allows those things on their Macs and specific things on Windows is to allow more people to use their product. It does not matter on where, it is theirs though. If Apple would make their iPods Mac only, more than half of the market share for iPods would be lost. That's why Apple does it.
For Bootcamp, Apple allows people to run Windows on the MAC. Meaning they are using a Mac, which is what Apple wants. It does not matter if it is a Windows PC or a Mac, it is Apple's.

um no. the only reason apple 'allows' windows to be run on a mac is because powerpc architecture was getting extremely dated and thus had to switch to intel. this alone is the reason why windows is 'allowed' to run on a mac. otherwise it never would have happened.
 

Target362

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Jul 22, 2009
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and yet they say "oh windows has viruses. Windows is slow" that alone wont want people to use windows on a mac.
 

drewsof07

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Oct 30, 2006
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I think you two missed the point. Apple always bashes microsoft, and yet they support some of their products.

Pointing out their inadequacies is bashing? The ads depict a stereotypical PC user, who can't easily navigate their computer and the internet for fear of virus, malware, spyware, crapware, etc. that are targeted for PC's.

They aren't jerks about it having actors say "well I'm not cool enough" or "I'm too poor to be a PC," as Microsoft has done.

The thing a lot of people overlook about Apple is that they usually have up-to-date hardware in their machines. Sure, you can go out and buy a PC for $400, but you will probably get a processor and GPU that are 2+ years old. For most people that will be fine, and all they notice is the difference in price.
 

Target362

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Jul 22, 2009
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They aren't jerks about it having actors say "well I'm not cool enough" or "I'm too poor to be a PC," as Microsoft has done.

last I checked the ones who do the apple ads are "actors"

and keep in mind there are people who are on a budject. Microsofts ads target real life situations (people on a budject)
 

drewsof07

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Oct 30, 2006
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and keep in mind there are people who are on a budject. Microsofts ads target real life situations (people on a budject)

If they are on such a budget, there are plenty of ways they can use OS X without buying a Mac. And since the price for SL dropped below $50, that's one less thing to complain about. How much is MS charging for 7? ;) (Non-students)

"You can have the best product in the world, but if you don't market it, you just have the world's best product that no one knows about."

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kate-willbury

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Feb 14, 2009
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Pointing out their inadequacies is bashing? The ads depict a stereotypical PC user, who can't easily navigate their computer and the internet for fear of virus, malware, spyware, crapware, etc. that are targeted for PC's.

They aren't jerks about it having actors say "well I'm not cool enough" or "I'm too poor to be a PC," as Microsoft has done.

The thing a lot of people overlook about Apple is that they usually have up-to-date hardware in their machines. Sure, you can go out and buy a PC for $400, but you will probably get a processor and GPU that are 2+ years old. For most people that will be fine, and all they notice is the difference in price.

lol what? how are those ads a depiction of a 'stereotypical' pc user??? honestly some of you mac fan boys live in your own private bubble its so embarrassing.

and you are kidding about the 2+ year old tech crap right? you seriously think macs have the latest in technology in them?? do you even know whats in your mac?
 

kate-willbury

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Feb 14, 2009
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If they are on such a budget, there are plenty of ways they can use OS X without buying a Mac. And since the price for SL dropped below $50, that's one less thing to complain about. How much is MS charging for 7? ;) (Non-students)

windows 7 was completely free for a year. and the majority of people who have bought new computers in the last year and have vista on their machines get FREE upgrades to windows 7.

how much was leopard when it was released? and what school discount could you get for it?
 

Target362

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Jul 22, 2009
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You know I posted this topic to have a nice discussion, not to be responded by someone who photoshopped a can of WD-40 and a sand cassle. That alone is "troll like"
 

FakeWozniak

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Nov 8, 2007
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Simple

Apple probably provides programs for 1 of 2 main reasons.
1. Provide a program/driver for another non-Macintosh product (i.e. iTunes for iPhone, iPod, etc).
2. Promote something as a standard (i.e. Firewire, Quicktime, Bonjour, Safari, etc).

Microsoft probably provides programs for 1 or 2 main reason.
1. Make more money
2. Avoid some kind of legal trouble (i.e. prior lawsuits, legitimize another operating system, etc).

Apple bashes Microsoft because it is easy and they want to gain market share. Obvious.

Microsoft hasn't really been bashing Apple, except to say that they cost more in the "Laptop Hunter" ads. In the "I'm a PC" ads, they tried to save self esteem for PC users. In the Seinfeld ads, they were completely nuts.

The only thing Apple's competition has been saying about Apple is that they cost more, and they have been looking for dirt real hard. All those SEC claims, App Store rejection complaints, Google board flap, Jobs health issues, etc, are just cheap shots to slow down a company that is doing things right.

The best they can say, which is true, is that Apple's quality isn't perfect, or that Macintosh isn't invulnerable to malware. They don't pick on those "soft underbellies" because they have a worse track record.
 

kate-willbury

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Feb 14, 2009
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Apple probably provides programs for 1 of 2 main reasons.
1. Provide a program/driver for another non-Macintosh product (i.e. iTunes for iPhone, iPod, etc).
2. Promote something as a standard (i.e. Firewire, Quicktime, Bonjour, Safari, etc).

Microsoft probably provides programs for 1 or 2 main reason.
1. Make more money
2. Avoid some kind of legal trouble (i.e. prior lawsuits, legitimize another operating system, etc).

Apple bashes Microsoft because it is easy and they want to gain market share. Obvious.

Microsoft hasn't really been bashing Apple, except to say that they cost more in the "Laptop Hunter" ads. In the "I'm a PC" ads, they tried to save self esteem for PC users. In the Seinfeld ads, they were completely nuts.

The only thing Apple's competition has been saying about Apple is that they cost more, and they have been looking for dirt real hard. All those SEC claims, App Store rejection complaints, Google board flap, Jobs health issues, etc, are just cheap shots to slow down a company that is doing things right.

The best they can say, which is true, is that Apple is not as quality as they think, or that Macintosh is invulnerable to malware. They don't pick on those "soft underbellies" as much because they have a worse track record.

im confused. if apple promoted firewire as a standard, why don't i have a firewire port on my 2008 unibody macbook?
 

Target362

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Jul 22, 2009
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Apple probably provides programs for 1 of 2 main reasons.
1. Provide a program/driver for another non-Macintosh product (i.e. iTunes for iPhone, iPod, etc).
2. Promote something as a standard (i.e. Firewire, Quicktime, Bonjour, Safari, etc).

Microsoft probably provides programs for 1 or 2 main reason.
1. Make more money
2. Avoid some kind of legal trouble (i.e. prior lawsuits, legitimize another operating system, etc).

Apple bashes Microsoft because it is easy and they want to gain market share. Obvious.

Microsoft hasn't really been bashing Apple, except to say that they cost more in the "Laptop Hunter" ads. In the "I'm a PC" ads, they tried to save self esteem for PC users. In the Seinfeld ads, they were completely nuts.

The only thing Apple's competition has been saying about Apple is that they cost more, and they have been looking for dirt real hard. All those SEC claims, App Store rejection complaints, Google board flap, Jobs health issues, etc, are just cheap shots to slow down a company that is doing things right.

The best they can say, which is true, is that Apple's quality isn't perfect, or that Macintosh isn't invulnerable to malware. They don't pick on those "soft underbellies" because they have a worse track record.

Thank you for the most logic response so far!

I agree that apple is not perfect (if it was, then why the need for the software and hardware updates? ;)) nor is Microsoft. Both have their ups and downs
 

windywoo

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May 24, 2009
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I have to agree that the bashing on both sides is stupid. In my country its illegal to bash another company's product to sell your own. They should point out the strengths of their own products rather than stooping to anti-PC nonsense.

The real irony I love is that they say "PCs are bad, they get viruses", and then when its time to sell a Mac they happily say "Use a Mac it will run Windows". Suddenly Windows is useful when its run on a Mac. They also don't bother to mention that Macs basically are PCs these days.
 

djellison

macrumors 68020
Feb 2, 2007
2,229
4
Pasadena CA
The thing a lot of people overlook about Apple is that they usually have up-to-date hardware in their machines. Sure, you can go out and buy a PC for $400, but you will probably get a processor and GPU that are 2+ years old. For most people that will be fine, and all they notice is the difference in price.

You have GOT to be kidding me? You don't actually believe that do you? Really?
 

kate-willbury

macrumors 6502a
Feb 14, 2009
684
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You have GOT to be kidding me? You don't actually believe that do you? Really?

believe it or not, factless fanboys do believe such things :)

the best is when you completely debunk them in a post and they suddenly just disappear from the thread forever.
 

drewsof07

macrumors 68020
Oct 30, 2006
2,018
445
Ohio
You have GOT to be kidding me? You don't actually believe that do you? Really?

Well, If you look at some of those bargain PCs, you will find they don't have cutting edge tech. I'm not generalizing that ALL PC's are old and unable, just some of the bargain PC's found at Wal-Mart, BB, etc.
You can get up to date parts from Dell, HP, Lenovo and Sony but they won't be $400.

Example: Earlier this year I purchased a few month old Sony from someone here, and it came with the same 2.16 processor in the 2006/2007 Macbook, so I think that's a fair assessment ;)
 

Fiveos22

macrumors 65816
Nov 20, 2003
1,080
1
You know I posted this topic to have a nice discussion, not to be responded by someone who photoshopped a can of WD-40 and a sand cassle. That alone is "troll like"

My response was a visual jab at participants in a thread that has every appearance of baiting a flame war.

Furthermore, spelling issues aside, I've read through some of your recent posts and in addition to your fixation on calling people "14 year olds" and obliquely derogatory name calling, you seem to be the troller around these parts. Reap what you sow...
 
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