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Tomatovine

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Hi, been going around and around in my head, gathering info, still not sure. I have a mid 2012 Macbook Pro non Retina. I use an external monitor, mouse, and keyboard with it; haven't used just the computer in years. Upgraded a couple of years ago to 16gb RAM. Still has the original hard drive. I am thinking of getting newer Mac and having this one as a backup (rather than waiting til this one dies).

Cannot decide amongst the choices of Macbook Air 256gb (because after all this time, have only used 133gb of the 500 on the 2012), a Macbook Pro 13in 256 (have seen that the 13in Macbook Pros may be getting the better scissors keyboard later this year; a number of articles recommend waiting. But not using the keyboard much might make that a minor consideration)., a Macbook Pro 16in 512 (for that better keyboard, though I would seldom use that), or a Mac Mini 256gb.

It seems from what I've read that for the low level stuff I do, 8gb RAM should be fine, any opinions? Just web surfing and emailing. The monitor I am using is a 22/24in HPZR2440w, would like to use it with any new computer. Apple wireless mouse and keyboard. I do keep a wired mouse plugged in though, because seems that when the computer goes to sleep, the blue tooth sometimes does not come up right away or at all, have to restart or pull down on the bluetooth menu a few times. As far as that, not sure how easy it is to manage all the things I have plugged in on the many ports on the 2012. If there are only 2 USB-C ports (one used for charging), how easy is it to have a dock/hub to handle: wired mouse, back up hard drive, external speakers, printer, ethernet connection,monitor/display port, power etc? It would seem like a mac mini might be a good choice, but the option of taking the unit with me if need be sounds good too.

I do have a iphone ProMax and a 2014 era ipad so I do have choices there as far as portability.

Want to spend as little as possible, so also have looked at a local business with a good reputation that sells refurbished Macs, still not sure there as far as models, and then of course for used there are old MacBooks floating around. My ideal would be a portable Mac with more ports, but the higher end Macbook Pros are way expensive of course. And even with 4 ports, would still need to do the docking thing.

Any thoughts on how easily that is managed are welcome! Along with anything else that pops out at anyone. Thanks!
 
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Your post is a wall of text so I'm having problems following it

What is your intended usage? Its hard to recommend a computer model without knowing how it will be used. My apologies if I missed it in your post but as I mentioned its rather hard to read

You reference a mac mini in the midst of the post. Do you have mobility needs? If so then a desktop computer won't be a good fit.
 
Your post is a wall of text so I'm having problems following it

What is your intended usage? Its hard to recommend a computer model without knowing how it will be used. My apologies if I missed it in your post but as I mentioned its rather hard to read

You reference a mac mini in the midst of the post. Do you have mobility needs? If so then a desktop computer won't be a good fit.
Sorry about that! It will be web surfing and email usage. The computer itself has not moved off the desk in years, so in that sense a mini might work. But I like the flexibility of being able to take it along if need be. Any comments on how easy or hard it is to manage many things plugged into docks etc would be appreciated, that's one aspect which would change a lot with a new computer.
 
Hi, been going around and around in my head, gathering info, still not sure. I have a mid 2012 Macbook Pro non Retina. I use an external monitor, mouse, and keyboard with it; haven't used just the computer in years. Upgraded a couple of years ago to 16gb RAM. Still has the original hard drive. I am thinking of getting newer Mac and having this one as a backup (rather than waiting til this one dies).

Cannot decide amongst the choices of Macbook Air 256gb (because after all this time, have only used 133gb of the 500 on the 2012), a Macbook Pro 13in 256 (have seen that the 13in Macbook Pros may be getting the better scissors keyboard later this year; a number of articles recommend waiting. But not using the keyboard much might make that a minor consideration)., a Macbook Pro 16in 512 (for that better keyboard, though I would seldom use that), or a Mac Mini 256gb.

It seems from what I've read that for the low level stuff I do, 8gb RAM should be fine, any opinions? Just web surfing and emailing. The monitor I am using is a 22/24in HPZR2440w, would like to use it with any new computer. Apple wireless mouse and keyboard. I do keep a wired mouse plugged in though, because seems that when the computer goes to sleep, the blue tooth sometimes does not come up right away or at all, have to restart or pull down on the bluetooth menu a few times. As far as that, not sure how easy it is to manage all the things I have plugged in on the many ports on the 2012. If there are only 2 USB-C ports (one used for charging), how easy is iNt to have a dock/hub to handle: wired mouse, back up hard drive, external speakers, printer, ethernet connection,monitor/display port, power etc? It would seem like a mac mini might be a good choice, but the option of taking the unit with me if need be sounds good too.

I do have a iphone ProMax and a 2014 era ipad so I do have choices there as far as portability.

Want to spend as little as possible, so also have looked at a local business with a good reputation that sells refurbished Macs, still not sure there as far as models, and then of course for used there are old MacBooks floating around. My ideal would be a portable Mac with more ports, but the higher end Macbook Pros are way expensive of course. And even with 4 ports, would still need to do the docking thing.

Any thoughts on how easily that is managed are welcome! Along with anything else that pops out at anyone. Thanks!

great info.
MacBook Air.
But max out on the RAM on an Air.
 
Sorry about that! It will be web surfing and email usage. The computer itself has not moved off the desk in years, so in that sense a mini might work. But I like the flexibility of being able to take it along if need be. Any comments on how easy or hard it is to manage many things plugged into docks etc would be appreciated, that's one aspect which would change a lot with a new computer.

Web surfing and e-mail with the flexibility of being able to take along.... Want to spend as little as possible. Thus an iPad+keyboard would do just fine for this. Heck, even Chromebook would be great – I've seen $200 Chromebooks that would serve the task of "web + email" just fine.
 
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Keep using what you have right now.

Wait until the new MacBook Pro 14" gets released, probably either second half of this year or early next year.

Take a good look at it, and if you like it, buy that one.
 
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great info.
MacBook Air.
But max out on the RAM on an Air.
Why do you recommend maxing on the RAM on an Air? Asking because I am thinking about getting a replacement for my early 2015 Air for a better screen; either that or a MacBook Pro. Just surf, email, store photos, and use Numbers and Pages. Only problem I've had is when I switched to Catalina I am getting a lot more beach balls (RAM problem?).
 
Why do you recommend maxing on the RAM on an Air? Asking because I am thinking about getting a replacement for my early 2015 Air for a better screen; either that or a MacBook Pro. Just surf, email, store photos, and use Numbers and Pages. Only problem I've had is when I switched to Catalina I am getting a lot more beach balls (RAM problem?).

hi
i have bought only Airs for myself during the past few machines i have bought, now maybe on my 4th Air now.i love them. current one is the latest 2019 model.
apple does a great job of engineering the Air to meet a rather precise target market audience that overall does not usually have heavy CPU usage.
the Air is designed to sip power. its not well suited to burst requirements the way it is designed.
recent macOSs have such great requirements to continuously index and sync that RAM is needed to overcome additional sudden and more and more frequently sustained processes.
unless you like to hear the fan, max out on RAM.
Air RAM as you know, is not user replaceable. you get one shot at deciding how much you want.

your case: just lack of maxed out RAM on an Air with Catalina does not normally cause beach balls, however for simple, everyday processes.
i think you need to find what's causing it. open Activity Monitor and let it show the most active CPU processes at the top. and then fix the reason why that process is taking so long. this won't be due to lack of RAM most likely.
 
hi
i have bought only Airs for myself during the past few machines i have bought, now maybe on my 4th Air now.i love them. current one is the latest 2019 model.
apple does a great job of engineering the Air to meet a rather precise target market audience that overall does not usually have heavy CPU usage.
the Air is designed to sip power. its not well suited to burst requirements the way it is designed.
recent macOSs have such great requirements to continuously index and sync that RAM is needed to overcome additional sudden and more and more frequently sustained processes.
unless you like to hear the fan, max out on RAM.
Air RAM as you know, is not user replaceable. you get one shot at deciding how much you want.

your case: just lack of maxed out RAM on an Air with Catalina does not normally cause beach balls, however for simple, everyday processes.
i think you need to find what's causing it. open Activity Monitor and let it show the most active CPU processes at the top. and then fix the reason why that process is taking so long. this won't be due to lack of RAM most likely.
I am smart enough to open Activity Monitor but not smart enough to understand it. Usually, the process at the top is Safari. Have no idea what the reason why is nor how to fix it if I did.
 
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