what is your favorite browser for the G4 and why? Thinking of getting that very same 1.33 ibook in the video and I dont care about using it for youtube or online video, but is safari and webkit really the best broswer depsite being unsupported?
Curious…the answers posted in a similar thread you started aren't good enough for you?I saw this video (link above) from June 2018 showing 3 different browsers running on a 1.33ghz ibook g4, one of them being the default safari browser which aactually did the best even beating tenfourfox for speed and being able to manage online flash video and even youtube playback. Tenfourfox cant handle video and is slow but renders sites perfect compared to the mostly unsupported safari. I believe the newer webkit is also mostly unsupported and plays video fine just like safari.
what is your favorite browser for the G4 and why? Thinking of getting that very same 1.33 ibook in the video and I dont care about using it for youtube or online video, but is safari and webkit really the best broswer depsite being unsupported?
I uSed to use LWK but now I'm completely on TFF as with @eyoungren s speed tweaks and three addons (umatrix, bluhell firewall, noscript) it is reeeaaalllyyy fast for a single core system. For video (as in YouTube) I use ArcticFox and CorePlayer. LWK is too heavy on the CPU in my experienceI saw this video (link above) from June 2018 showing 3 different browsers running on a 1.33ghz ibook g4, one of them being the default safari browser which aactually did the best even beating tenfourfox for speed and being able to manage online flash video and even youtube playback. Tenfourfox cant handle video and is slow but renders sites perfect compared to the mostly unsupported safari. I believe the newer webkit is also mostly unsupported and plays video fine just like safari.
what is your favorite browser for the G4 and why? Thinking of getting that very same 1.33 ibook in the video and I dont care about using it for youtube or online video, but is safari and webkit really the best broswer depsite being unsupported?
I uSed to use LWK but now I'm completely on TFF as with @eyoungren s speed tweaks and three addons (umatrix, bluhell firewall, noscript) it is reeeaaalllyyy fast for a single core system.
Curious…the answers posted in a similar thread you started aren't good enough for you?
OP does seem to make a habit of asking the same questions but not heeding any of the advice given.....
Disagreed. Too often I found myself in the situation where a site is completely broken by umatrix. To make it usable I disable umatrix temporarily, enable the noscript extension and then customize umatrix while bluhell still blocks out the most annoying things. Yes, in theory umatrix would be all I need, but that's how I've been doing it for quite some time now and it somehow works quite wellBluHell and NoScript are rendered unnecessary once uMatrix is in the picture, which does everything both do and more.
Thus, I would disable (or remove) BluHell and NoScript to cut down on bloat.
Most of the time I am browsing news sites. What I'll do is disable uMatrix but not save the setting. That way I can read the site. When I quit and restart the browser those settings, because they are temporary, are forgotten and if I encounter that site again it will be blocked.Disagreed. Too often I found myself in the situation where a site is completely broken by umatrix. To make it usable I disable umatrix temporarily, enable the noscript extension and then customize umatrix while bluhell still blocks out the most annoying things. Yes, in theory umatrix would be all I need, but that's how I've been doing it for quite some time now and it somehow works quite well
But I'll have to have a look at Decentraleyes as I have never heard of it before
answers were good, but the youtube video actually showed the leopard safari providing good performance for an old browser amd wondering if anyone still bothered with it same with camino amd the lightweight older browsers. you do know, tenfourfox was meant for G5's? slow as a dog on g4, and impossible on a g3.OP does seem to make a habit of asking the same questions but not heeding any of the advice given.....
saw a thread of tiger running on a 233mhz G3, that means you could run tenfourfox... at 233mhz. tff was not meant for g3s at all.I uSed to use LWK but now I'm completely on TFF as with @eyoungren s speed tweaks and three addons (umatrix, bluhell firewall, noscript) it is reeeaaalllyyy fast for a single core system. For video (as in YouTube) I use ArcticFox and CorePlayer. LWK is too heavy on the CPU in my experience
answers were good, but the youtube video actually showed the leopard safari providing good performance for an old browser amd wondering if anyone still bothered with it same with camino amd the lightweight older browsers. you do know, tenfourfox was meant for G5's? slow as a dog on g4, and impossible on a g3.
Completely incorrect IMO. How do you define "meant for"? It allows my G3 Pismo to surf the web. It allows every G4 I own to surf the web. Therefore I do not care the least bit about what target platform the developer had in mind. I'd even say every developer has the platform he actually uses or the best of the best platform in mind. Mr Kaiser is no different. He uses a G5 Quad and develops a browser to keep this machine as long as possible alive, that includes surfing the internet. Then he strips it down a bit to allow for compatibility with G4s and G3s - I quote RhianB:saw a thread of tiger running on a 233mhz G3, that means you could run tenfourfox... at 233mhz. tff was not meant for g3s at all.
TFFx was meant for G3s, G4’s & G5s. Says so on the webpage with specific builds for each.
You don't know what you're talking about and you don't want to hear from people who do.tff was not meant for g3s at all.
despite being unsupported, camino is still goodAlright people, settle down.
Wrong as it is, that's his opinion and he's allowed to express it. To someone with a low-end G3 on an unoptimized OS/TFF install, it could very well be expressed that TFF (let's not forget its insane bloat and slow-nature even on high-end G4s) was not "meant" for G3s at all. Does it allow G3s to browse the Web securely? Yes. And does it display the Web as originally intended? Yes. However, this does not at all mean that the G3 version was tuned specifically for optimized browsing on G3s, minus the AltiVec removal and attached "G3" logo.
But frankly, even I am surprised that the G3 variant does not already ship with the useless services and surface-level junk stripped down to better accommodate G3 systems, and maybe already come with a couple preferences pre-tweaked for optimal usage.
@Appleuser201, your best bet would be to optimize your OS, optimize TFF with eyoungren's tweak thread, and use a separate client for watching YouTube, like YewTube, or TigerTUBE. And don't forget that maxxing out your machine always helps. Lightweight surfing can also be accomplished with older, lighter browsers, like OmniWeb or Camino. Similar to TFF, there are also processor specific revisions of Camino available online.
then how do you optimize tff for a g3 mac? tff in my opinion was designed in mind for late g4s and g5 systems... no one would want to even use a g3 for daily internet usage anyways unless using classilla on mac os 9.You don't know what you're talking about and you don't want to hear from people who do.
I followed @eyoungren 's TFF optimization guide, and have found it to be a game changer. Take his recommended tweaks, and apply them to @wicknix 's IceWeasel browser, as it is lighter on system resources than TFF.then how do you optimize tff for a g3 mac? tff in my opinion was designed in mind for late g4s and g5 systems... no one would want to even use a g3 for daily internet usage anyways unless using classilla on mac os 9.
then how do you optimize tff for a g3 mac? tff in my opinion was designed in mind for late g4s and g5 systems... no one would want to even use a g3 for daily internet usage anyways unless using classilla on mac os 9.
youtube is quite important as well as surfing the web as its what people do.Completely incorrect IMO. How do you define "meant for"? It allows my G3 Pismo to surf the web. It allows every G4 I own to surf the web. Therefore I do not care the least bit about what target platform the developer had in mind. I'd even say every developer has the platform he actually uses or the best of the best platform in mind. Mr Kaiser is no different. He uses a G5 Quad and develops a browser to keep this machine as long as possible alive, that includes surfing the internet. Then he strips it down a bit to allow for compatibility with G4s and G3s - I quote RhianB:
But TFF was never meant for using YT. That's IMO the point you don't get right.
Why is "the internet" for you just a synonym for "YOUTUBE"??
What is wrong about actually surfing the web?
I have used tff on a 600mhz higher end g3 well I believe the most popular g3s were the 333mhz and 400mhz imacs and I was wondering how bad tff ran on mid, low end g3sd on mine. youtube is very important for daily powerpc usage, and ive started just using mac apps for thatI'm sorry but not only do you not listen to advice - you don't even listen to your own experience!
Here in January you tell us you can't play Youtube on your G3 with TFF:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/youtube-not-working-on-600mhz-imac-g3.2163891/
Then in May, you ask us what is TFF like on a G3:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/how-bad-is-tenfourfox-on-a-g3-mac.2182438/
You keep asking about Youtube playback - which has saturation coverage in the forum but then offer, "Thinking of getting that very same 1.33 ibook in the video and I dont care about using it for youtube or online video" - it's hard to help when you don't know your own mind.
yeah shouldnt do that anymore. there is lots of good advice here which I am going to try out, and ive used tff on a 600mhz g3 (brutal slow) and asked the question to see how much worse it is as most people have 333mhz to 500mhz g3s and 600mhz up g3s were generally the "high end" models and people opted for the 400,500mhz cheaper imacs. my point is, I have experienced tff on a high end g3 and its not usable.All of this info is searchable in the forum - probably a lot in answers to your previous questions. People go out of their way to help but time and time again, you don't acknowledge the advice given, barely participate in the thread you've started....and then pop up again with another thread asking vaguely the same question framed differently.
what I meant exactpy is, while tff has a g3 version, I doubt tff deveopers actually think many people will run tff on a g3 when there are lighter much faster browsers like classilla.Out of curiosity, if TFFx was not intended in part to address a G3 running OSX, why create a streamlined build and clearly offer it on one's website? The internet of today is certainly not the internet of 2011, when TFFx was first released - my point being that TFF-on-a-g3 performance was most certainly better in that environment than today.
So is TFF in its current parity release slow and tedious in 2019 on a garden variety 233Mhz single core imac g3? Probably - I'd put money on it. Was it always that way? Probably not.
youtube is very important for daily powerpc usage