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questionwonder

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I'm a software dev (don't play games) and I just bought the new 2020 Air.
I upgraded from a Mid 2013 Air, so I know I'll be enjoying it when it arrives,
BUT I'm currently using an old 1080P monitor so I want a new monitor to go with my new machine!

What's a great monitor to get for this machine that won't break my bank account?
Costco?

prerequisites -
1. Thunderbolt 3 to Thunderbolt 3 - No dongles and I want to be able to charge over the port as the machine only has 2 total
2. at least 60Hz refresh rate, but 120Hz would be great
3. 27-32 inches
4. 4K?
 

questionwonder

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Ya. I would love to have this monitor, but after seeing Apple reduce the price at first, then raise it, makes me want to pass on buying one!
 

will0407

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dell p2720dc? I just got the 24” equivalent p2421dc. On sale in the uk at the moment and got an extra 15% off through work

edit: i cannot decide whether this is great as that’s subjective, but it ticks the boxes for me
 
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Glacial Truffle

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No adapters restricts your options a lot. Something like the Apple AV adapter might be worth considering, BUT it's not clear if it can do 4k60 on the 2020 MBA. The 2020 is not listed in the page description, and the 2018 was capped at 4k30. I'm still waiting on my MBA to come (estimated to come by Thursday next Tuesday,) so I can verify that adapter then.

I'm rocking an LG 27UK650 (27" 4K 60Hz IPS, worthless HDR.) Compared that $700 screen posted in this thread earlier, it's cheaper and bigger, but you would have to give up the USB-C support. For 120Hz/144Hz, you'll probably have to look at a 1440p panel. High refresh rate 4K panels are VERY expensive and a Macbook Air probably can't drive it.

If that AV adapter ends up supporting 60Hz 4K, then cool, another thing to consider.
If it doesn't, then you can still get 4k60 over DisplayPort with a USB-C to DisplayPort cable. I know because I currently have a 2018 MBA. Although it takes a whole port, the second port can be used with a USB-C hub for ports and power.
 
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austyn23

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4K is great but in native resolution the interface is too small. And to use it in "retina mode" you have to set the resolution to 1920x1080, where everything is too big...

The perfect resolution IMO is 2560x1440 and you have 2 options:
  • Get a 2560 panel like the Dell U2520 (is USB-C) but it would look a little pixelated near to the Air retina screen; 25 inch would look sharper than the 27.
  • Get a 5K screen to get the "Retina mode".
Using a 4K panel in 2560x1440 looks a little weird...
 

adrianlondon

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I'm thinking about the Dell p2219hc. It has to be the "hc" model to get the type-c usb connection.

A 22" monitor will fit on my small desk, and at that size full HD 1080p is fine.
 

TechieGeek

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Use this for work and very satisfied with it.
Ya. I would love to have this monitor, but after seeing Apple reduce the price at first, then raise it, makes me want to pass on buying one!

Had the LG Ultrafine, would not recommend it. No HDMI or DisplayPort means you can’t use it with an Xbox, a Switch, an external GPU, any computer without native display out of a USB-C.

Get one of the Wirecutter picks, they’re both good.
 

throAU

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No adapters restricts your options a lot. Something like the Apple AV adapter might be worth considering, BUT it's not clear if it can do 4k60 on the 2020 MBA. The 2020 is not listed in the page description, and the 2018 was capped at 4k30. I'm still waiting on my MBA to come (estimated to come by Thursday next Tuesday,) so I can verify that adapter then.

That.

I bought a new 4k monitor recently, an AOC U2790PQU.

It has USB, but not USB-C.

However it was
  • super cheap
  • has a great picture - 10 bit colour, 4k, IPS, really good backlight consistency, etc. I'm using it next to my Retina 13" macbook pro's display right now and it doesn't look in any way inferior to me.
I was wanting USB-C but didn't bother because the money i saved i can put into a thunderbolt dock, which can stay on my desk plugged into the monitor and provide ethernet, many USB-As, multiple display outputs, SD-card reader, etc. I'll still use a single cable on my desk, it will just be run from my dock, not my monitor.

I get it if you're specifically chasing USB-C, but as above, it does cut down your options a lot, and IMHO you can save money to better spend on a dock which will give you a lot more features and flexibility.


edit:
I use it in native res, i find 4k to be small, yes - but i really prefer the screen real-estate. YMMV, and 4k may be better suited in a 30-40" display for some people.
 
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edubfromktown

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I am in the market for a 4k USB-C display for the Air 2020 (got an i7 on order that is supposed to arrive soon).

Not a gamer and anything from 24" on up would suffice so the Dell U2520 is intriguing. Anyone else have suggestions in the sub $400 realm?

Thanks.
 

hipnetic

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4K is great but in native resolution the interface is too small. And to use it in "retina mode" you have to set the resolution to 1920x1080, where everything is too big...

The perfect resolution IMO is 2560x1440 and you have 2 options:
  • Get a 2560 panel like the Dell U2520 (is USB-C) but it would look a little pixelated near to the Air retina screen; 25 inch would look sharper than the 27.
  • Get a 5K screen to get the "Retina mode".
Using a 4K panel in 2560x1440 looks a little weird...
Agree completely. I bought a Dell U2518D 25" 2560x1440 monitor quite a while back (and a while later bought a 2nd one). This was later replaced in Dell's lineup with the U2520D that austyn23 mentioned.

I had crunched the numbers ahead of time to determine the "effective" PPI (pixels per inch) and/or Dot Pitch. I wanted to compare how the U2518D running in full 2560x1440 mode (to maximize the amount of windows, etc. I could fit into the screen) would compare to my 2013 MacBook Pro 13's retina display running in Scaled mode with "More Space."

My old 2013 MacBook Pro 13 had the same screen size and native resolution as your new MacBook Air's. It's a 13.3" diagonal display with a native resolution of 2560x1600, but running in the "More Space" mode gives you a pseudo-resolution of 1680x1050. What does that mean? Well, it means that things like font height, icon height, menubar height, window minimize/maximize buttons, etc. will be "sized" roughly equivalent to how a native 1680x1050 monitor back in the pre-Retina days would have sized them. If the Mac OS didn't do this extra bit of magic, these things would be super-tiny using that native 2560x1600 resolution. But they're not completely "throwing away" that extra resolution, as things like fonts and icons will be sharper, and photos will utilize all of the pixels. You can hack the OS to let you not scale at all and utilize that 2560x1600 resolution for everything, allowing you to fit more windows on your screen, for instance, but it would result in unusably small icons and super-tiny, hard-to-read text.

So here's a good online calculator you can use to calculate PPI and dot pitch:

Let's look at some examples to find a monitor resolution/size that we can use to give us icons/widgets of a similar physical height/width to the 2020 MacBook Air's 13.3" display when using the scaled "More Space" resolution (1680x1050 equivalent):

Reference: 2020 MacBook Air (13.3" diagonal, 2560x1600 native resolution, but plugging in a resolution of 1680x1050, which is the maximum scaled resolution you can choose via the "More Space" option)
* Dot Pitch: 0.1705 mm

1) Dell U2520D (25" diagonal, 2560x1440 native resolution)
* Dot Pitch: 0.2162 mm
* ~ 127% dot pitch size (compared to the 2020 MacBook Air's 0.1705 mm dot pitch) means somewhat larger icons/fonts. But because your desktop monitor is likely to be positioned a bit farther away from your eyes, compared to the distance your MacBook Air's display would be from your eyes in typical usage, having icons/text be a little bit larger is actually desirable.

2a) LG UltraFine 4K display (23.7" diagonal, 3840x2160 native resolution)
* Dot Pitch: 0.1366 mm
* ~ 80% dot pitch size (compared to 2020 MBA) means smaller icons/fonts. When coupled with placing the monitor a bit farther away, this could be difficult to use/read.

2b) LG UltraFine 4K display (23.7" diagonal, 3840x2160 native resolution, but scaled down to the same 2560x1440 resolution as the Dell 25)
* Dot Pitch (simulated): 0.2049 mm
* ~ 95% dot pitch size (compared to 2020 MBA) means very slightly smaller icons/fonts. When coupled with placing the monitor a bit farther away, they will look smaller still, but probably perfectly usable. You'll get sharper fonts, smoother icons, and more detail in your photos compared to the Dell 25, but at a slightly longer distance away, will you be able to notice/appreciate it? Maybe. But driving that higher 3840x2160 resolution, and scaling it down to 2560x1440, will likely tax your CPU/GPU harder compared to driving the Dell 25's 2560x1440 resolution (someone feel free to jump in if you disagree). And you'll pay double the price of the Dell.

FWIW, when I got my two Dell U2518D's at different times, I was amazed at how much the prices fluctuated. I think I got my first one for around $250 from Best Buy, and by the time I got the 2nd one, I had to pay $330 for it from Dell (but I think there may have been a promo going where you would later get a Dell gift card - I forget the amount). The newer U2520D seems to be selling for about $375 right now, with no special promos going on (likely due to COVID-19 and more people buying monitors to improve their work-at-home setups).

So, those are just a couple of examples above. You can get more value out of a 4K monitor if you go bigger and can run it at its native resolution. The bigger you go, the farther away from your face you'll *need* to place it to reduce how much you'd be moving your head to see corner-to-corner.

A high-res, wider/curved display could be another (better, IMO) option if you want more screen real estate than something like the Dell U2520D. Just doing a quick check on Dell's site, they have a U3415W 34" curved display with a native resolution of 3440x1440 for about $627 right now. Running it at native resolution would give you a dot pitch of 0.2316 mm, which is in the range I'd be looking for. I know nothing about that particular monitor, and I am not a Dell employee...I'm just using that as an example.
 
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thhh

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I am getting a little lost with especially all those DELL screens.

Currently I am looking to return by Caldigit USB-C dock and sell my DELL 2715h and replace it either with 2x e.g. DELL 2520 or again with one 27" DELL screen. I am actually a bit disappointed how e.g. Font looks on my 27" screen with 2560 resolution. Maybe 25" with its higher DPI helps a bit?!

I am not doing crazy works that require a 90W delivery but it should be at least 65 Watt I suppose.

I think I prefer the 2 small screens over a Ultra wide screen. Any other thoughts on the DELL lineup?
 

thhh

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I suppose it is a matter of workflow preference, but for the same price you could get:

1) 1x U2720Q (4K with USB-C and 90Watt)
2) 2x U2520 (2560 with USB-C and 90Watt)

For a priority on Foto editing, I suppose 1) and for office work it might be 2)
 

ctyrider

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Apple 6K XDR Display is obviously the best display with 2020 Air.. For who who can afford it.
 

edubfromktown

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I purchased a 31.5" HP E324q and it looks awesome- especially for one in the $400 price range. Also like that the USB-C port charges my MBA at a low & slow rate.

My MBA core i7 fans still rarely come on at all in general. Driving the new display too- even when trouncing through Nikon RAW images in Light Room 6 and rejecting some along the way. The lowest fan speed came on briefly when I deleted ~70 rejected photos and exited the app.
 

ARJR84

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Be careful - connecting the air to a much larger monitor will increase temps more than they already are pushing a smaller screen, let alone a 4k one. Rethink your situation as if you are a professional this machine will be your tool. I'd get the $1800 MBP 2020. It'll have faster graphics (G7 at 10w vs 28w, the latter will kill it), can drive up to 6k, and will run cooler with dual fans that are actually connected.
 

mick2

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Be careful - connecting the air to a much larger monitor will increase temps more than they already are pushing a smaller screen, let alone a 4k one. Rethink your situation as if you are a professional this machine will be your tool. I'd get the $1800 MBP 2020. It'll have faster graphics (G7 at 10w vs 28w, the latter will kill it), can drive up to 6k, and will run cooler with dual fans that are actually connected.

I've been running my MBA with a 24" 4k monitor for 3 weeks now; it remains cool (35-40degC idle) and fans are off. I also use my machine in a 'professional' capacity. It's a tool.

Your posting history in the short time you've been here has been exclusively about the poor thermal performance of the new MBA, across many different threads, just like this one.

Tell me, do you actually own a 2020 MBA yourself? Have you encountered temperature problems using it with a 'larger monitor'? I'm asking because your posts just don't seem to match my own experiences with an actual 2020 MBA.
 

edubfromktown

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Be careful - connecting the air to a much larger monitor will increase temps more than they already are pushing a smaller screen, let alone a 4k one. Rethink your situation as if you are a professional this machine will be your tool. I'd get the $1800 MBP 2020. It'll have faster graphics (G7 at 10w vs 28w, the latter will kill it), can drive up to 6k, and will run cooler with dual fans that are actually connected.

I'm not concerned at all... excessive heat of any sort has not been an issue for me in 2+ weeks of "higher than normal" use. I'd guess that it will be attached to an external display for <50% of the time.

I do not use Chrome (which dramatically reduces overall resource gluttony)
I do not use browser plug-in's on Opera or SRWare Iron browsers
I do not run 3rd party OS monitoring tools which by the way, Apple doesn't recommend (for troubleshooting hardware issues)
Only install apps that I use on a frequent basis (none of them are cloud subscription based)
I do not sync data to anyone's cloud... even Apple's. Some things I choose to store there (manually)
Lightroom is a hobby- not my full time profession
The other things that run on a frequent basis or 24x7 are hatched in Docker containers executing on Raspberry Pi's

I have it documented with Apple Support that Air 2020's have been extensively tested with external 4k and other displays and they see no issue with using it as intended. I'll be on them like a hornet if it becomes problematic.
 
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hipnetic

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I do not run 3rd party OS monitoring tools which by the way, Apple does not recommend
To be clear, the article you linked to states:
If you use third-party apps that measure the temperature of your notebook computer, it’s important to understand that they don't measure the external case temperature. The case temperature is much lower. Never use third-party apps to diagnose possible hardware issues.
So, they aren't recommending against using those apps...they're just saying that you shouldn't use those apps to diagnose hardware issues.
 
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