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iPhone 14 Pro Max When is Apple going to innovate looking ways to decrease weight in iPhones?
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All F-Series have used aluminum for cab and body panels since the 2015 redesign.
The frames are steel
I much prefer aluminum because is lighter and cheaper. Apple watch ultras is double the weight than watch 8 sport…
I tend to agree, the Pros feel more premium in the hand than something like an S22 Ultra largely because that extra 10-20 grams of weight and the perception of density the steel gives.
Kind of like comparing a Rolex to a Timex
I really don't get this whole stainless steel thing. The difference in protection is negligible if at all. To me it looks horrible, way too shiny but that doesn't matter at the end as almost everyone uses a case. So all we get is a heavier phone. I would love to buy a pro model even at the these prices but for me it's just too heavy.
I don't see the need for innovation here, the non pro models are okay when it comes to weight. There is enough differentiation between pro and non-pro.
I don't see the need for innovation here, the non pro models are okay when it comes to weight. There is enough differentiation between pro and non-pro.
The Ultra isn't double the weight just because of material choices though. The Ultra is physically huge.
Stainless steel - 7.93 g/cm3
Titanium - 4.51 g/cm3
Aluminum - 2.81 g/cm3
For knife handles and watches I would absolutely take Titanium over either Stainless Steel or Aluminum.
I've always felt Titanium hit the sweet spot for durability to weight in EDC items.
“Why you consider aluminum a premium material in ipads pro or macbook pro but not in an iphone?”
Because Apple has marketed it that way, and bc the competition insists on using plastic, which aluminum looks a lot better than.
To be clear—if Apple wanted to, it could make its pro phones aluminum in a hot minute and at this point people would celebrate. Hell, they might be waiting to do just that.
The only people wrong on this thread are the blustery folks saying “there’s no issue, get over it”. You can clearly track that they keep getting heavier, and it is clearly an issue. I would suspect that it will keep getting worse…and then Apple will use it as an opportunity for a big change—either a new up-marketed aluminimum, titanium, some kind of weight reduction. But if it has gotten this far, I bet they do it all at once, as a feature, not a bug, for a new phone.
Because Apple has marketed it that way, and bc the competition insists on using plastic, which aluminum looks a lot better than.
To be clear—if Apple wanted to, it could make its pro phones aluminum in a hot minute and at this point people would celebrate. Hell, they might be waiting to do just that.
The only people wrong on this thread are the blustery folks saying “there’s no issue, get over it”. You can clearly track that they keep getting heavier, and it is clearly an issue. I would suspect that it will keep getting worse…and then Apple will use it as an opportunity for a big change—either a new up-marketed aluminimum, titanium, some kind of weight reduction. But if it has gotten this far, I bet they do it all at once, as a feature, not a bug, for a new phone.
The S22 Ultra is 229 grams with an aluminum and glass chassis.
The 14 Pro Max is 240 grams with a stainless steel and glass chassis.
IMO, swapping the Pro Max chassis from 316L to aluminum alone would not get it down to the 203 grams of the 14 Plus.
I'd wager swapping the PM's stainless frame for an aluminum frame alone would only knock ~20 grams off the PM's weight and then you get that low density "toy feel" in hand and a more easily deformed aluminum frame for 20 grams of weight loss.
That's a hard pass for me
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Titanium takes to anodization very well, hard anodized Titanium is very scratch resistant.
Thanks for the clarification. I had a titanium watch once that scratched very easily but I don’t think it was anodized.
And it starts at just 1599$.
It'll get everyone ready for the new $2500 foldable/rollable.
It'll get everyone ready for the new $2500 foldable/rollable.
Yup!
And it costs less per day than dinner in your favorite restaurant!
Incredible!
(in reference to https://www.barrons.com/articles/ap...ders-have-already-been-very-strong-1509657202
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Time to start working out if you believe iphones have any weight worth considering, maybe this will help you with device addiction as well, since someone who truely believes this, has a problem.
You should be able to figure out it’s not really any different that using other materials. Easier than others that they’ve already used. No real cost difference. The problem with titanium is 1) it’s softer and will scratch easier 2) it retains heat much more. That’s all and that’s the reasons they don’t use it. Anyone that thinks it’s going to double the cost of a phone is just fooling themselves.
The ability to lift something isn’t the issue for a single person it’s the comfort in doing so. I love my mini because I hold it in my hand when I go do my 5mile runs and you can definitely feel the difference over time.
I used an iPhone 7 (jet black 🙌) as a burner phone after trading in my iPhone 13 PM whilst waiting for the new Pros to come out and it made me realise how much heavier iPhones have become with all the iterations/advances in technology such as the camera…would love all the features we have now with the same weight as the 7 (fat chance of that anytime soon 😭).
I get the change in materials but my iPhone 7 is in perfect condition still after all these years (was in a thin case but in past few years been using it naked). Is there another benefit for stainless steel except durability? Does it help with the antennae?
If Apple does use different materials to reduce the weight of the case there are various ways it could go from there.
I agree with a few other comments here that an iPhone Ultra using fancier materials e.g. Titanium and very probably some other features to differentiate it further from the Pro might well be a possibility and if Apple did that then it might indeed feel that the current weight makes a phone feel "premium" so instead of using the weight reduction of the case to reduce the overall phone weight it could use it to make the internals heavier so maybe the Ultra might have a much bigger battery with the increased weight of the battery offset by the reduced weight of the casing. To do that Apple would probably have to make the main body of the phone a bit thicker. Personally I wouldn't mind that, in fact I would welcome it because it would make the huge camera bump at least somewhat less prominent, but that then widens the debate about what makes a phone feel premium, not just (arguably) some degree of heft (weight) but does sleek and thin imply premium to some people whereas if it gets thicker some people start viewing it as clunky and low end? I hope not because I would be quite happy if Apple did go in the direction I just outlined.
Partially but far from the only reason for the weight increase.
See the weights of the other (aluminum framed) 6.7-6.8-inch flagships for evidence.
Bigger batts, more cameras, etc have added considerable weight themselves.
Might be smart for them to market the standard iPhone as the air model. They could strip some features out and spin it as a positive.
For the pro, I don't think it's a priority. If they can make some reductions based on tech advancements, great. If not, I don't think they'll look to either increase the price or decrease other features to make it happen.
For the pro, I don't think it's a priority. If they can make some reductions based on tech advancements, great. If not, I don't think they'll look to either increase the price or decrease other features to make it happen.
You must be very weak that that want the phones to be light as paper. Shees come on they’re not heavy. iPhones are supposed to have stuff inside them. DUH.