Me too, 100%. I’d like to see some fancy materials allowing the weight of the chassis to be reduced not in order to reduce the overall weight of the phone but rather so that the weight reduction in the chassis can be used to offset the weight increase of putting in a bigger and presumably (in the absence of some new battery technology) heavier battery.
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iPhone 14 Pro Max When is Apple going to innovate looking ways to decrease weight in iPhones?
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Jesus Christ...
I blocked that piece of **** channel years ago, taking a peek today reveals how much worse its become, the guy must be swimming in cash right now while he makes fun of apple making money, it's so disgusting.
same old stupid gimmicks every single video, too afraid to change, it might drop view counts!
what's the point of that ****ing sticker with numbers 3-9? there hasn't been a phone that scratches at 4 ever and there hasn't been a phone that goes past 7 ever!
what's the point of that lighter? who gives a **** about burning resistance?
except now we also have a whole bunch of plugin ads
Jerry can definitely be annoying, I was just trying to illustrate a point to a poster making incorrect claims.
This is my last reply to you unless you cough up something of substance for the first time in this thread.
1. You continue to highlight your ignorance of engineering and materials. You think *I* am the only person who considers the ability the ability to make a part of comparable strength that is also physically smaller? 🤣
Build an engine with aluminum connecting rods sometime -- see the amount of cylinder liner clearancing you have to do to make those massive Aluminum beams clear.
I don't have to address Samsung, Google OR Apple's materials selection.
My statements stand on their own regardless specific manufacturers material selection -- your ad populum whataboutisms in no way support your argument.
2. No it isn't -- Apple's "7XXX" patent presented 3 sample alloys one of which had crossover with 7075. The patent confirms nothing of their final selection. I am STILL waiting for your source that proves your claim Apple is using 7075 in iPhone construction.
3. I am not mischaracterizing your words in the least:
You - "7000 series Aluminum cost 4 times as much. They use it for Satellites and Space craft."
Debunked above
You - "Your iPhone pro has the same steel as your refrigerator in your kitchen. While the base model 14 uses the same Aluminum used in space flight."
Here you clearly establish your belief that "aerospace grade" means 7075, which I spent the next two posts utterly debunking.
You - "316l is used in fine jewelry. 304 isn't."
Still waiting on you to support your claim of Apple's use of 304.
4. See above
5. Post #153 was a rambling mess
Yeah coming from a 12 mini the weight difference for the 14P is extreme. even compared to my husband's 11P. I debated going for the regular 14, but I got sucked in by the stupid marketing and hype 
And I was genuinely envious of the the third camera on that 11P--it definitely gives better close up shots than my mini, and I like to do those. All in all I'll probably stick with the Pro for the 3rd camera and always on display, but I would absolutely 100% prefer the Pro features in an aluminum iphone. Not sure why steel is considered more premium--if aluminum is fine for planes and spacecraft, then it should be just fine for iphones. As others have commented, I'm sure Apple will come up with some carbon fiber or ceramic whatever and make that the top end iphone at some point (probably next year with my luck )
And I was genuinely envious of the the third camera on that 11P--it definitely gives better close up shots than my mini, and I like to do those. All in all I'll probably stick with the Pro for the 3rd camera and always on display, but I would absolutely 100% prefer the Pro features in an aluminum iphone. Not sure why steel is considered more premium--if aluminum is fine for planes and spacecraft, then it should be just fine for iphones. As others have commented, I'm sure Apple will come up with some carbon fiber or ceramic whatever and make that the top end iphone at some point (probably next year with my luck )I mean, you can have functionality, performance and efficiency in a lower weight package. You don't need the stainless steel frame or glass back for any of those things. Aluminum is plenty premium while lowering weight and price, and other materials than glass--some cheaper and some not--will still allow for wireless charging (even though most iphone suers don't use that feature). Apple will absolutely move in that direction again at some point, but as others on this thread have noted, it'll probably be a new "ultra" type phone using "revolutionary" technology/materials to pack the pro features and size in a phone lighter than the "regular" phone lineup.
No need to innovate these phones are going to sell like hotcakes regardles. Apple has proven this year after year .
You think Apple couldn't make the standard iphones with more "stuff inside them"? For most people, heavier = more awkward, less comfortable to hold in the hand. No one complains about rhe 14s being too light or thin, do they? Add a third camera abd you basically have a lighter 14Pro. Apple is absolutely going to eventually market some new high end iphone with lighter materials and Pro features as the next best thing, and if it's not more expensive ( a big if) it will sell like crazy.
Aluminum is premium relative to the competition like Samsung. Stainless steel while heavier has a more solid premium feel. Looking forward to titanium potentially replacing stainless steel in the near future.I was also trying to say that the two build materials while I prefer the stainless steel are lower on my priority list.
"Premium feel" is even more subjective than "too heavy". Why on earth would increased weight be associated with "premium"? Apple had the exact opposite marketing for years.And how are the regular 14s not already heavy enough to feel "premium"? If Apple switched it up and made their Pro line lighter and the regular line heavier, do you think they'd sell more pro models, or less?
There are law of physics involved here and Apple crams a lot in a very small and thin package at the least weight possible with today’s technology.
We want to have our cake and eat it too. When Jonny Ive was in charge of design and emphasized thinner and lighter above all else, I read lots of complaints on these forums saying "Stop obsessing about about thin/light - I would prefer a heavier thicker phone if I could just get more battery life".
What we got this year was a heavier thicker phone that has better components throughout and an always-on display (which consume more power) yet still adds more battery life on top of that. Also much more complex and larger cameras that add weight and depth but produce amazing shots. So of course it is thicker and heavier. And most of that weight is going to be in the components and the battery. I don't see how switching to a carbon fiber case or whatever is really going to help much.
I upgraded from a 12 Pro. When I pulled my 14 Pro out of the box, I immediately noticed the additional weight and the big-arse cameras sticking out of the back.
Several days later and I'm not even noticing these things anymore. The phone is fine. I don't feel like I gave up anything with this upgrade. It's a terrific piece of kit. And the battery life is outstanding.
Of course, I have the Pro, not the Pro Max. The Max is only for people who already don't mind huge and heavy. A tad more weight should not swing the needle for those folks.
What we got this year was a heavier thicker phone that has better components throughout and an always-on display (which consume more power) yet still adds more battery life on top of that. Also much more complex and larger cameras that add weight and depth but produce amazing shots. So of course it is thicker and heavier. And most of that weight is going to be in the components and the battery. I don't see how switching to a carbon fiber case or whatever is really going to help much.
I upgraded from a 12 Pro. When I pulled my 14 Pro out of the box, I immediately noticed the additional weight and the big-arse cameras sticking out of the back.
Several days later and I'm not even noticing these things anymore. The phone is fine. I don't feel like I gave up anything with this upgrade. It's a terrific piece of kit. And the battery life is outstanding.
Of course, I have the Pro, not the Pro Max. The Max is only for people who already don't mind huge and heavy. A tad more weight should not swing the needle for those folks.
In making my decision to upgrade or pass in any given year is about the value of overall feature set. To your point, the premium aspect is entirely subjective as everyone has a different opinion. At the end of the day, if the weight is too much or the materials aren't premium enough, then don't buy the product.
The only way left is using plastic instead of any metal for the case of pro series, then how Apple sell with high price? It just look and feel cheap.
LOL go back to the iPhone 3G? I happen to have a broken one on the shelf in my office as a souvenir. It was a good design for its time but is super dated today.
I share OP's feeling. The same weight bulk is also happening on Android side, but more due to size and huge battery instead of material. My old Poco X3 felt really unwieldy in hand at 215g. I made the conclusion that I'm not comfortable with anything more than 200g. It also drags down in the pants pocket.
Credit to Apple, they at least do a better job in the weight distribution. But still, with ever increasing number of components and sensors, increasing battery size and camera units, maybe it's time to revisit the material choice to balance things out.
It is also unfortunate that we've been dismissing plastic for so long. Plastic doesn't have to look and feel cheap. The Chinese has shown it with most non flagship Android phones right now are pretty much plastic. But they can have so many variations of premium feel finishes, from matte to glossy. My S21 back is plastic, but it still feels nice when touched, and it helps with weight. And we'll designed phone, even one with plastic frame, can still be quite durable. With so many Android phones with plastic back in the market, but we don't really hear much bending issues.
I miss the days when being lighter was a feature, eg iphone 5. Iphone 4 was stainless steel, and yet Apple put aluminum as more premium in the iphone 5/5s.
I'm eyeing the 13 mini as my upgrade path, with weight being one of the reason. Regular 13/14 will probably be the max I would go. The 14 Plus is already out of my list as it exceeds 200g.
Not sure why Apple is holding back for a titanium iphone. Presumable they're holding it back for a redesign. Hopefully we will see it on the 15 lineup. Glass back seems inevitable, as Apple already decided to have zero plastic.
Credit to Apple, they at least do a better job in the weight distribution. But still, with ever increasing number of components and sensors, increasing battery size and camera units, maybe it's time to revisit the material choice to balance things out.
It is also unfortunate that we've been dismissing plastic for so long. Plastic doesn't have to look and feel cheap. The Chinese has shown it with most non flagship Android phones right now are pretty much plastic. But they can have so many variations of premium feel finishes, from matte to glossy. My S21 back is plastic, but it still feels nice when touched, and it helps with weight. And we'll designed phone, even one with plastic frame, can still be quite durable. With so many Android phones with plastic back in the market, but we don't really hear much bending issues.
I miss the days when being lighter was a feature, eg iphone 5. Iphone 4 was stainless steel, and yet Apple put aluminum as more premium in the iphone 5/5s.
I'm eyeing the 13 mini as my upgrade path, with weight being one of the reason. Regular 13/14 will probably be the max I would go. The 14 Plus is already out of my list as it exceeds 200g.
Not sure why Apple is holding back for a titanium iphone. Presumable they're holding it back for a redesign. Hopefully we will see it on the 15 lineup. Glass back seems inevitable, as Apple already decided to have zero plastic.
It was a poor choice then and consumers still paid the premium price when you had contract extensions and carrier subsidies making Blackberry, LG, Motorola, Sony, Nokia and Samsung more attractive from an affordability perspective.
Yeah I had the 11 PM and I"m not He-man and my arm literally got tired holding it after a while LOL, I can't imagine the new ones which are like 230grams or something like that.
I got the S21 FE which is like 165gram since it uses a plastic back it's much lighter.
Yeah, I need to work out man, I'm a pretty weak dude.
The weight of the iPhone 14 PM is a non-issue for me. I upgraded from a 12 pro and hardly noticed the difference in weight. Then again, I have rather large hands and wrists. I think it would take a significant increase in weight for it to start becoming a problem for me.
The bending was largely fixed by changing the position of various buttons to improve rigidity.
Sorry bud. Not true. The buttons were almost at the same position. The change to 7000 series Aluminum and structural reinforcements internally by the buttons did the trick. The buttons were at almost the same location if not the same location.
I love how light one of my devices from work is (Galaxy A52) and it does not feel cheap at all. When I use my iPhone 12 PM a lot, I notice that I have to keep cracking my fingers, otherwise they hurt. I already got a cyst removed from my wrist as well (I am not kidding). I had a huge bump.
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