Where is iOS 6 in Mountain Lion?

[Mad Mac Maniac]

So for those have you that haven't noticed, Apple announced Mountain Lion today drawing even MORE from iOS, specifically additions from iOS 5. Like iMessage, reminders, notification center, etc.

So Mountain Lion will be up to par with iOS 5, but when it should be released at approx the same time as iOS 6. Surely, Apple doesn't want to start the tradition of adding things to iOS only to then add them to OS X a year later. There must be some parallel development in play. So I was hoping there would be some large cues to iOS 6 here, but no. The only major feature not already in iOS is gatekeeper, which basically allows the user to decide which apps they are able to DL (MAS or non-MAS). Could that possibly be coming to iOS???

So do you think Mountain Lion will just be a year behind, or do you think when iOS 6 is previewed Apple will show us those additions to mountain lion also?

 

[miles01110]

Could that possibly be coming to iOS???

Since you can only get apps from the App Store on non-jailbroken iPhones, I'd say "Gatekeeper" is already implemented on the iPhone.

 

[swordfish5736]

apple always keeps some things underwraps until the official launch. If they plan to launch Mountain Lion at WWDC then thats when we'll see the rest of the OS

 

[Dorje Sylas]

Why do you think there will be a major update to iOS6 this Summer or even Fall. iOS 5.1 still hasn't hit GM and by winter at least we should see an iPhone 5 (not iPhone 6). There is currently no reason or incentive to push a major iOS revision that soon.

Making Mountain Lion (which I wonder what OS designation it will get, likely not 10.8) congruent with iOS 5 (5.1) features makes the most senes and will likely start getting similar cross-development as both move forward.

As to GateKeeper... no, I don't see Apple opening up the "GateKeeper" options on iOS. You will not see options to download Apps outside the iOS AppStore. The use of GateKeeper in Moutain Lion is a good opening compromise to test the waters of App restriction on Macs. They will likely be getting a decent amount of dignonsitc data on how people are using it and seeing if they can fully lock it down without making people mad enough to walk away to Windows 8 (likely 9 at that point).

 

[benthewraith]

Since you can only get apps from the App Store on non-jailbroken iPhones, I'd say "Gatekeeper" is already implemented on the iPhone.

This is incorrect, incredibly incorrect.

 

[sulliweb]

This is incorrect, incredibly incorrect.

That depends on Apple's desgin and intention behind GateKeeper... There have been those that feared the Mac going to an App Store only model since the first mention of it. They said it was inevitable. At some point, Apple would start to offer a "feature" that would be turned off by default that would allow only apps purchased through the app store to be installed. Then, in a year or so, they would turn the feature on by default. Then, there wouldn't be a choice. Everything would go through the App Store, no options.

This certainly seems like the first step in that progression, and if that is the plan... The above post wouldn't be completely wrong. That would be Apple's final intention with this new "feature".

It's just interesting to see something someone predicted a year ago actually happening.

 

[Mad Mac Maniac]

Why do you think there will be a major update to iOS6 this Summer or even Fall. iOS 5.1 still hasn't hit GM and by winter at least we should see an iPhone 5 (not iPhone 6). There is currently no reason or incentive to push a major iOS revision that soon.

Making Mountain Lion (which I wonder what OS designation it will get, likely not 10.8) congruent with iOS 5 (5.1) features makes the most senes and will likely start getting similar cross-development as both move forward.
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Are you being serious right now? If you haven't noticed iOS is on a yearly upgrade cycle. Apple basically confirmed that and asserted that OS X will be joining iOS with releasing yearly updates. Sure last year it got pushed back a few months, but I would expect iOS6 to get back to the yearly cycle, at a minimum with the possibility of it arriving early to get back on the summer cycle.

iOS 5.1 will be released in March alongside the iPad 3, that is almost certain.

Mountain Lion WILL be 10.8 and will probably be released in August, right around when I would expect iOS 6.

 

[kolax]

I think the real juiciness of Mountain Lion is yet to be announced. It's unlike Apple to not give a keynote to announce something like this.

 

[Mad Mac Maniac]

I think the real juiciness of Mountain Lion is yet to be announced. It's unlike Apple to not give a keynote to announce something like this.

Possibly... But here's John Gruber's take on the whole thing

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My gut feeling though, is this. Apple didn’t want to hold an event to announce Mountain Lion because those press events are precious. They just used one for the iBooks/education thing, and they’re almost certainly on the cusp of holding a major one for the iPad. They don’t want to wait to release the Mountain Lion preview because they want to give Mac developers months of time to adopt new APIs and to help Apple shake out bugs. So: an announcement without an event. But they don’t want Mountain Lion to go unheralded. They are keenly aware that many observers suspect or at least worry that the Mac is on the wane, relegated to the sideline in favor of the new and sensationally popular iPad.

Thus, these private briefings. Not merely to explain what Mountain Lion is — that could just as easily be done with a website or PDF feature guide — but to convey that the Mac and OS X remain both important and the subject of the company’s attention.

 

[Reach9]

So for those have you that haven't noticed, Apple announced Mountain Lion today drawing even MORE from iOS, specifically additions from iOS 5. Like iMessage, reminders, notification center, etc.

So Mountain Lion will be up to par with iOS 5, but when it should be released at approx the same time as iOS 6. Surely, Apple doesn't want to start the tradition of adding things to iOS only to then add them to OS X a year later. There must be some parallel development in play. So I was hoping there would be some large cues to iOS 6 here, but no. The only major feature not already in iOS is gatekeeper, which basically allows the user to decide which apps they are able to DL (MAS or non-MAS). Could that possibly be coming to iOS???

So do you think Mountain Lion will just be a year behind, or do you think when iOS 6 is previewed Apple will show us those additions to mountain lion also?

If Apple decides to do a 10.9, then yes Mountain Lion will be a year behind. Heck, it already is. The features on Mountain Lion should have already been in Lion..
10.9 would then be based on iOS 6.
I believe Apple will make a major revision with 11.0, heavily based on Siri, and that will unify the iOS and OS X features.

 

[APlotdevice]

I personally think Apple could benefit from implementing Gatekeeper on iOS. Jailbreaking gives us all these wonderful modifications and apps which would not work under Apple's app store restrictions, however there is a dark side to it as well: piracy. While I'm sure the folks who develop jailbreaking tools generally don't do so intending to support piracy, it's pretty much unavoidable. Now if Apple "approved" third party sources who behaved themselves, there would be far less legitimate demand for jailbreaking in the first place. Which would make things harder for pirates. It'd also eliminate one of the perceived advantages of rival products. At the same time Apple could still offer plenty of incentives to develop for the app store.

 

[cmChimera]

Why do you think there will be a major update to iOS6 this Summer or even Fall. iOS 5.1 still hasn't hit GM and by winter at least we should see an iPhone 5 (not iPhone 6). There is currently no reason or incentive to push a major iOS revision that soon.

Making Mountain Lion (which I wonder what OS designation it will get, likely not 10.8) congruent with iOS 5 (5.1) features makes the most senes and will likely start getting similar cross-development as both move forward.

As to GateKeeper... no, I don't see Apple opening up the "GateKeeper" options on iOS. You will not see options to download Apps outside the iOS AppStore. The use of GateKeeper in Moutain Lion is a good opening compromise to test the waters of App restriction on Macs. They will likely be getting a decent amount of dignonsitc data on how people are using it and seeing if they can fully lock it down without making people mad enough to walk away to Windows 8 (likely 9 at that point).

I just want to be clear....The iPhone 5 is already out. I have one in fact. It added Siri, a better camera, and a better processor. Guess you missed it.

 

[DJinTX]

I just want to be clear....The iPhone 5 is already out. I have one in fact. It added Siri, a better camera, and a better processor. Guess you missed it.

Along these lines, I hope Apple finally gets the iPhone naming scheme debacle fixed. It's annoying that there seems to be a 50/50 split between users who are dead certain it will be called iPhone 5, and those that think it would be ridiculous to name a 6th generation phone the iPhone 5. The most frustrating thing about it is that Apple has left the door open for this silly debate.

@Tim Cook and Apple---please simplify this, there are plenty of other topics to fuel debates and flame wars without this one. Let's at least put this one to rest once and for all.

 

[cmChimera]

Along these lines, I hope Apple finally gets the iPhone naming scheme debacle fixed. It's annoying that there seems to be a 50/50 split between users who are dead certain it will be called iPhone 5, and those that think it would be ridiculous to name a 6th generation phone the iPhone 5. The most frustrating thing about it is that Apple has left the door open for this silly debate.

@Tim Cook and Apple---please simplify this, there are plenty of other topics to fuel debates and flame wars without this one. Let's at least put this one to rest once and for all.

I hope they call it the iPhone LTE. Simple, get rid of numbers.

 

[kolax]

I hope they call it the iPhone LTE. Simple, get rid of numbers.

LTE isn't really a household term like 3G. They definitely won't call it that. It'll be called the iPhone 5.

 

[Mad Mac Maniac]

I hope they call it the iPhone LTE. Simple, get rid of numbers.

Yeah I think they will probably not use a number for the 6th gen iPhone. Then they may come back eventually and call it iPhone 7 or iPhone 8 for their respective gens, but I think Apple will only use the number if there is no major defining feature.

Back on topic, and think we might have already seen some of the smaller features for iOS 6 in Lion. Things like unified safari bar for search, a search bar at the top of launchpad. Stuff like that.

 

[cmChimera]

LTE isn't really a household term like 3G. They definitely won't call it that. It'll be called the iPhone 5.

It's in EVERY Verizon and AT&T advertisement. If it's not household by now, it will be by the time the next iPhone comes out.

Back on topic, and think we might have already seen some of the smaller features for iOS 6 in Lion. Things like unified safari bar for search, a search bar at the top of launchpad. Stuff like that.

I agree. I do wonder if they'll bring some ui changes along, such as some form of Mission Control.

 

[kolax]

It's in EVERY Verizon and AT&T advertisement. If it's not household by now, it will be by the time the next iPhone comes out.

Excuse me for not being able to see Verizon or AT&T adverts because I don't live in the US, like the rest of the world.

 

[frunkis54]

Along these lines, I hope Apple finally gets the iPhone naming scheme debacle fixed. It's annoying that there seems to be a 50/50 split between users who are dead certain it will be called iPhone 5, and those that think it would be ridiculous to name a 6th generation phone the iPhone 5. The most frustrating thing about it is that Apple has left the door open for this silly debate.

@Tim Cook and Apple---please simplify this, there are plenty of other topics to fuel debates and flame wars without this one. Let's at least put this one to rest once and for all.

you mean how like the 2nd generation iphone is called iphone 3g

 

[bristleworm]

To get this thread back to it's actual topic, here's one thing I think will very likely be part of iOS 6.

On Mountain Lion, Notes allow for rich text editing and even pictures. As notes are synced using iCloud, I'm sure this will also become a feature on iOS 6.

 

[Davewithak]

The only iPhone to be numbered correctly (unless you count the 1st one as iPhone 1) is the iPhone 4. It was the fourth model. No one knows what the new iPhone is going to be called. I highly doubt they'll call it iPhone 5, considering it's the 6th generation. But on the other hand, I can't really see it being called the iPhone 6, either.

 

[bristleworm]

The only iPhone to be numbered correctly (unless you count the 1st one as iPhone 1) is the iPhone 4. It was the fourth model. No one knows what the new iPhone is going to be called. I highly doubt they'll call it iPhone 5, considering it's the 6th generation. But on the other hand, I can't really see it being called the iPhone 6, either.

On that note: why not stop the numbering at all? There is no iPod 1, 2, 3, not iMac 1, no MacBook 1, etc.
The only things that are numbered right now are the iPhone and iPad. And they shouldn't have to. At some point, the numbering becomes pretty useless. Imagine an iPad 14, or an iPhone 11 in a few years…

 

[Drunken Master]

The only iPhone to be numbered correctly (unless you count the 1st one as iPhone 1) is the iPhone 4. It was the fourth model. No one knows what the new iPhone is going to be called. I highly doubt they'll call it iPhone 5, considering it's the 6th generation. But on the other hand, I can't really see it being called the iPhone 6, either.

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Seriously you nerds, no casual user on earth realizes it will be the sixth generation iPhone. It will be called iPhone 5 if they continue with the number suffixes.

If they release an iPhone 6, everybody and their mother will ask, "Where was the 5?"

I have a sneaking suspicion they're not going to log onto MacRumors to have someone explain to them that the 4S was actually the fifth generation and that actually the iPhone 4 was the only one that was named "correctly" (according to them and their insular, crackpot view of the world).

Quit mainlining Doritos and Mountain Dew and get outside or something.

 

[nuckinfutz]

To get this thread back to it's actual topic, here's one thing I think will very likely be part of iOS 6.

On Mountain Lion, Notes allow for rich text editing and even pictures. As notes are synced using iCloud, I'm sure this will also become a feature on iOS 6.

It makes sense to deliver some tech on OS X and then bring it to iOS and vice versa.

This allows Apple to write new API and update them knowing that the features will be across both platforms within a year in most cases.

I suspect the big thing in iOS 6 will be the eradication of Google Maps. Apple will likely roll their own Mapping back end based on the Placebase/ Poly9/C3 acquisitions.

iOS 6 will probably be the first OS that has a Siri SDK along with the new Map SDK and finally I'd suspect we see a fantastic Turn by Turn GPS software from Apple that is Siri enabled.

These two features alone (Opening Siri and Mapping/GPS) would sell the next iPhone like gangbusters.

 

[bristleworm]

iOS 6 will probably be the first OS that has a Siri SDK along with the new Map SDK and finally I'd suspect we see a fantastic Turn by Turn GPS software from Apple that is Siri enabled.

These two features alone (Opening Siri and Mapping/GPS) would sell the next iPhone like gangbusters.

That thought just made me think I should wait with buying a new phone… I currently have the 3GS with iOS 5 and I really want a newer, and speedier phone. And I really do like the white 4S. But if things like that were to be iPhone 5 exclusives… who knows…