iPad Pro Where is the ultra wide front facing camera on the m1 ipad pro

[Scorcher]

After watching the keynote and redaing many interperations on the internet I’m still not sure what is the orientation of the ultra wide front facing camera?
is it still on the top of the ipad in portrait mode ( like every other ipad) or is it horizontal?
is there a second he front?

 

[redscull]

iPad Pro - Technical Specifications

See full technical specifications for iPad Pro — resolution, size, weight, battery life, and storage capacity — for Wi-Fi and Wi-Fi + Cellular models.

www.apple.com

apple's own spec still show it on top of portrait mode, i.e. still wrong

 

[rovex]

iPad Pro - Technical Specifications

See full technical specifications for iPad Pro — resolution, size, weight, battery life, and storage capacity — for Wi-Fi and Wi-Fi + Cellular models.

www.apple.com

apple's own spec still show it on top of portrait mode, i.e. still wrong

Yet in the presentation of centre stage the iPad was in landscape mode. ?

 

[redscull]

Yet in the presentation of centre stage the iPad was in landscape mode. ?

Yeah I really don't get it. Sure, there are some scenarios where portrait works great, but I'm using it landscape 99.9% of the time if for no other reason than that is how it is oriented by the case when sitting on my desk. It's also the only logical choice for video, and since I often watch video lounging on a couch or bed, I have to lock the orientation so my sideways position doesn't make it rotate stupidly. And ever since they got rid of the physical orientation lock toggle, it means the hassle* of unlocking orientation prevents me ever doing it unless I absolutely have to. And if the facetime camera was in the correct position, that 0.1% might finally become 0%.

* The hassle being a) exit whatever app I'm using so I can access the control center b) actually hold the device in front of me the whole time since case stand is landscape only c) probably detach the case cause it's awkwardly floppy sideways, and if I'm holding it anyway now, might as well spare the weight d) reverse all that when I'm done with portrait

vs

Look stupid in video calls.

 

[vega07]

I thought that the software enhancements with Center Stage would fix this off-center problem with video calls?

 

[redscull]

I thought that the software enhancements with Center Stage would fix this off-center problem with video calls?

I mean I guess we'll see what kind of magic it performs? But they could have just moved the camera instead of this center stage voodoo.

 

[AutomaticApple]

I mean I guess we'll see what kind of magic it performs? But they could have just moved the camera instead of this center stage voodoo.

It works with Zoom, so I'm still happy.

 

[Scorcher]

I mean I guess we'll see what kind of magic it performs? But they could have just moved the camera instead of this center stage voodoo.

Its very Apple like isnt it? Onstead of giving us what we wanted, invest time and money “improving” the tech they already have

 

[Analog Kid]

Its very Apple like isnt it? Onstead of giving us what we wanted, invest time and money “improving” the tech they already have

I don't disagree, but I also have to say that there's occasionally some remarkable innovation that comes from being stubborn...

 

[jessejesse]

Unless I'm misunderstanding the technology, there's no technology where I can look at my client and the camera at the same time (or even remotely look at both), without my iPad in portrait mode or just lugging around my laptop (or going outside apple).
Teletherapy is here to stay. The new iPad can follow me on two feet, but if I look like I'm looking sideways instead of at my client...it serves me no purpose. Seems like a neat technology, but just an outrageous oversight...truly astonishing.
I presume that covid was too late in the process of this new iPad development, or they most likely would have recognized that so many people are moving to remote or video work. I don't need any of the iPad improvements. I love my 2018 iPad Pro with the magic keyboard. It's a nearly perfect piece of technology. Hopefully a landscape camera will be added next year.

 

[Scorcher]

Unless I'm misunderstanding the technology, there's no technology where I can look at my client and the camera at the same time (or even remotely look at both), without my iPad in portrait mode or just lugging around my laptop (or going outside apple).
Teletherapy is here to stay. The new iPad can follow me on two feet, but if I look like I'm looking sideways instead of at my client...it serves me no purpose. Seems like a neat technology, but just an outrageous oversight...truly astonishing.
I presume that covid was too late in the process of this new iPad development, or they most likely would have recognized that so many people are moving to remote or video work. I don't need any of the iPad improvements. I love my 2018 iPad Pro with the magic keyboard. It's a nearly perfect piece of technology. Hopefully a landscape camera will be added next year.

that's a good point. even if the camera is set to pan and zoom after you it will still look like you are looking sideways. if you are looking at the person you are talking to than the camera will still be on the side instead of right in front of you

 

[rui no onna]

Unless I'm misunderstanding the technology, there's no technology where I can look at my client and the camera at the same time (or even remotely look at both), without my iPad in portrait mode or just lugging around my laptop (or going outside apple).
Teletherapy is here to stay. The new iPad can follow me on two feet, but if I look like I'm looking sideways instead of at my client...it serves me no purpose. Seems like a neat technology, but just an outrageous oversight...truly astonishing.
I presume that covid was too late in the process of this new iPad development, or they most likely would have recognized that so many people are moving to remote or video work. I don't need any of the iPad improvements. I love my 2018 iPad Pro with the magic keyboard. It's a nearly perfect piece of technology. Hopefully a landscape camera will be added next year.

Doesn't FaceTime Eye Contact/Attention Correction already do this?

 

[redscull]

Doesn't FaceTime Eye Contact/Attention Correction already do this?

Does it? Is it FaceTime only maybe? I use zoom more than facetime, and zoom definitely doesn't do this. Or maybe it also is only on newest iPad models? Regardless, just moving the camera to the correct side would alleviate the issue entirely without fancy software hacks.

 

[axboi87]

Based on my understanding, it's a fisheye lens so it can see very far in every direction. This means despite it being at the top in portrait, you won't see a difference not matter how the actual device is oriented (it will rotate the video and crop accordingly). So if you didn't know where the camera was, you wouldn't see an actual difference in how the video looks however you rotate the iPad.

 

[Seanm87]

Doesn't FaceTime Eye Contact/Attention Correction already do this?

This isn't on iPads.

Also, I think the reason it can't go on the long side is because the pencil charger is there. Maybe it is taking up too much room but that's just a theory.

Also if you hold the iPad portrait it covers the camera lens for brightness etc, but if you hold it landscape your hands tend to be on the lower side.

 

[NT1440]

Its very Apple like isnt it? Onstead of giving us what we wanted, invest time and money “improving” the tech they already have

Weird, the only time I use my iPad in landscape mode is watching videos.

That said, if you’re using it to type with a keyboard obviously it makes sense to have the camera on the side.

I think the only way this is going to get resolved is when the “under screen” camera tech is ready for prime time. Otherwise the blood curdling howls of a thousand MR bezel-warriors will ring out throughout the land...

 

[bob24]

Based on my understanding, it's a fisheye lens so it can see very far in every direction. This means despite it being at the top in portrait, you won't see a difference not matter how the actual device is oriented (it will rotate the video and crop accordingly). So if you didn't know where the camera was, you wouldn't see an actual difference in how the video looks however you rotate the iPad.

They can use a wide angle lens and apply some software tricks to simulate a different viewing angle and perspective, and it will help.

But at the end of the day if the camera can’t see some of you facial features because it is looking at you from an angle, the sotfware won’t be able to make-up for what it can’t see. For exemple if the camera is pointing at someone‘s face from an angle to the left or to the right, it can only see one side of the person’s nose, and might also be missing one of their ears.

 

[jessejesse]

They can use a wide angle lens and apply some software tricks to simulate a different viewing angle and perspective, and it will help.

But at the end of the day if the camera can’t see some of you facial features because it is looking at you from an angle, the sotfware won’t be able to make-up for what it can’t see. For exemple if the camera is pointing at someone‘s face from an angle to the left or to the right, it can only see one side of the person’s nose, and might also be missing one of their ears.

What if I'm already missing an ear??

 

[Tibits]

I am looking forward to reading hands on reviews in regard to center stage. My only issue with my 4th gen pro is doing video conferences horizontally. It just does not work for me. I was really hoping for the front facing camera to be centered horizontally. If center stage corrects the horizontal side eye, I will buy.