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jtara

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My mac mini is practically unusable after updating to Sierra. I am presumably suffering from the Logitech mouse problems reported here:

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...ce-after-macos-sierra-update-updated.2000089/

The cursor pointer is laggy. It seems worse when the pointer is over an application window, and maybe worse with some applications (like Chrome) than others. I've found that hitting the Escape button on the keyboard is a "fix", but I have to do it so often I will wear out the escape button! ;)

If you have updated to Sierra, and your mouse is working perfectly, please report what brand and model of mouse you have! I am sick of this problem, am seeing no solutions, and want to just solve the problem with a new mouse.

FWIW, I use a USB keyboard (old-school Unicomp) and no issue there. The computer is a late 2012 Mac Mini i7 (the last good Mac Mini, IMO!) so no Bluetooth LE, so would prefer a mouse with a receiver rather than Bluetooth (or one that does not eat batteries, which I think is difficult without Bluetooth LE). As well, I am left-handed, and since Logitech stopped making their left-handed mouse a few years ago, will need to be an ambidextrous mouse.

I do have an Apple mouse somewhere, recently moved have to dig it out from a box! It will do in a pinch, but really don't like the Apple mouse.
 

Hadron

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Apr 13, 2010
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My old Logitech Vx Nano works fine with Sierra apart from(!!) system freezes, but I've had a day without those since updating Logitech Control Centre to 3.9.5.66 (6 Oct version). But my MBP is a year newer than your Mac Mini, so no promises. Might be worth trying updating the Logitech software anyway, to see whether that helps your performance.

My newer Logitech BT mouse is absolutely fine, but you didn't want BT.
 

bikejack

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My Logitech M705 works great with Sierra. Scrolling and pointer movement very smoothe. After installing Sierra I had to download the latest Logitech Unifying Software for Sierra to get the mouse to work.
 

jtara

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My old Logitech Vx Nano works fine with Sierra apart from(!!) system freezes, but I've had a day without those since updating Logitech Control Centre to 3.9.5.66 (6 Oct version). But my MBP is a year newer than your Mac Mini, so no promises. Might be worth trying updating the Logitech software anyway, to see whether that helps your performance.

My newer Logitech BT mouse is absolutely fine, but you didn't want BT.

Thanks, I will try the latest LCC. I see that the last one I installed I downloaded on 9/21, so the one you are using is newer.

BTW, does anybody know the reason for the existence of both LCC and Logitech Options? I tried googling and came up with nothing useful. Do I need/want BOTH of these?

I uninstalled both, the the mouse still works, but "works" is a relative term... It's just as flakey as before.

Actually, I realize now that I can use Bluetooth LE. I have a Bluetooth dongle (somewhere, in a box!) that I added to my Mini, (1) because the Mini (was) in a big rack cabinet (now on desk, but needs to move back into the rack cabinet) and so I can put the dongle on a USB cable. (2) For APTx support for my Sennheiser heaphones (3) to support iOS handoff. So, need to find that little guy!

So, once I find the dongle, open to BT mouse options. Good thing then is: one less dongle!

Using Apple trackpad right now, the mouse was driving me nuts. But need to get back to mouse, I'm a software developer, and the trackpad just does't work well for me for editing files.
 

MacGizmo

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BTW, does anybody know the reason for the existence of both LCC and Logitech Options?
I thought Options was the replacement for LCC... then I thought it was for their keyboards/mice that connect via Bluetooth. Now I have no idea because after I saw your question I looked at the website and they are actively updating both.

I can tell you that all Logitech Bluetooth mice suffer from the laggy and/or stuck mouse problem. I've given up on 3rd party mice all together. I have a Logitech MX Master (Bluetooth) that I have to shake every minute or so to get it to respond. Other than that, it's a great mouse.
 

Floris

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Any MX mouse I have works on my friends Mac Mini and Macbook Pro with Sierra. None of the reported issues we noticed.
 

StarShot

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I'm a rare throwback from the days before trackpads appeared. I hate them because I use the edge of my laptop to rest my palms when typing and with the trackpad active, my cursor goes off "flying" while I'm typing, cause errrors in my text.

I've never had a problem with my MBA while having the pad turned off. After installing Sierra, it happens almost daily.

In Accessibility I have “Ignore built-in trackpad when mouse or wireless trackpad is present” CHECKED. I've put fresh batteries in my mouse, but it still happens. I'm using a BT mouse FWIW. Wondering if this is a bug in Sierra, a failure in my MBA or the mouse.

I've tried a wired mouse with the same results. Track pad active. PITA typing when the cursor takes off and dumps text in previous parts of note. I then have to hunt for the cursor, delete the extra key stroke and return to typing. It's hazy, but I may have had this problem in the past and rebooting corrected it.
 

Hadron

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I thought Options was the replacement for LCC... then I thought it was for their keyboards/mice that connect via Bluetooth. Now I have no idea because after I saw your question I looked at the website and they are actively updating both.

I can tell you that all Logitech Bluetooth mice suffer from the laggy and/or stuck mouse problem. I've given up on 3rd party mice all together. I have a Logitech MX Master (Bluetooth) that I have to shake every minute or so to get it to respond. Other than that, it's a great mouse.
"All" is a strong statement. My Logitech m535 BT mouse works perfectly with Sierra on my 2013 MBP - no lag, no sticking.

My older mouse is configured using LCC, the newer BT one with Options. There may be some of intermediate age that are supported by both - it would be logical for them to having included recent models when they released Options, and all subsequent ones to be Options only.
 

StarShot

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Mar 31, 2014
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My mac mini is practically unusable after updating to Sierra. I am presumably suffering from the Logitech mouse problems reported here:

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...ce-after-macos-sierra-update-updated.2000089/

The cursor pointer is laggy. It seems worse when the pointer is over an application window, and maybe worse with some applications (like Chrome) than others. I've found that hitting the Escape button on the keyboard is a "fix", but I have to do it so often I will wear out the escape button! ;)

If you have updated to Sierra, and your mouse is working perfectly, please report what brand and model of mouse you have! I am sick of this problem, am seeing no solutions, and want to just solve the problem with a new mouse.

FWIW, I use a USB keyboard (old-school Unicomp) and no issue there. The computer is a late 2012 Mac Mini i7 (the last good Mac Mini, IMO!) so no Bluetooth LE, so would prefer a mouse with a receiver rather than Bluetooth (or one that does not eat batteries, which I think is difficult without Bluetooth LE). As well, I am left-handed, and since Logitech stopped making their left-handed mouse a few years ago, will need to be an ambidextrous mouse.

I do have an Apple mouse somewhere, recently moved have to dig it out from a box! It will do in a pinch, but really don't like the Apple mouse.

I'm experiencing mouse problems with Sierra myself. I'm NOT trackperson guy and in Setting, have it set to be ignored wth a mouse present. My mouse is a Logitech that I've used with the past 3 or 4 OS-X versions. What's happening on my '13 MBA is that the Trackpad is now active along with my mouse. I got on the Logitech website where they say they have a new Sierra mouse driver which I downloaded and installed.

Right after the installation, the new driver appeared to fix the problem, but that only lasted for a few minutes and then it was back to where I was initially. I found an old Apple mouse that I hooked up and it appeared to fix the problem, but that also only lasted a few minutes before I was back to a "hot" trackpad + a mouse pointer.

My problem with this is that I rest my palms on the area where the track pad is located and every so often my palm connects with the track pad and then my mouse pointer goes to Tibukto. If I don't notice it, I start typing somewhere in the previouls text I written and then I have to stop, find the cursor, correct the extra key strokes and then start again. PITA. Apparantly Sierra does NOT like a mouse connected to it.
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My old Logitech Vx Nano works fine with Sierra apart from(!!) system freezes, but I've had a day without those since updating Logitech Control Centre to 3.9.5.66 (6 Oct version). But my MBP is a year newer than your Mac Mini, so no promises. Might be worth trying updating the Logitech software anyway, to see whether that helps your performance.

My newer Logitech BT mouse is absolutely fine, but you didn't want BT.
What's going on with your trackpad?
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Any MX mouse I have works on my friends Mac Mini and Macbook Pro with Sierra. None of the reported issues we noticed.
Yeah and what's going on wth your trackpad? Do you have it set to ignore when a mouse is present?
 

flowrider

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My Logitech Performance MX Mouse on my 5,1 cMP running Sierra (or El Cap) working fine here. I must note that my mouse sits on a mouse pad on an extension on the side of my computer stand. My Logitech receiver is inserted in the end of a USB cable and tapped to the bottom of the "mouse table" extension. When I first starting using the mouse I found that the range was not that great. Also Logitech updates their software frequently. Be sure you're running the latest. I check every week or so.

Lou
 

Floris

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Oh, I never check for any Logitech driver or software, etc. I just plug in the USB thing in the iMac, and it works as expected. I have no issues with it, didn't need to configure anything basically. I went through the settings panel for mouse, to make the speed match my eyes browsing the screen more, but that's about it.
 

MacGizmo

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"All" is a strong statement. My Logitech m535 BT mouse works perfectly with Sierra on my 2013 MBP - no lag, no sticking.

I obviously can't personally vouch for the "all" statement, but I do have 3 different Logitech mice and all 3 have the sticking issue—and all 3 exhibit the issue on 2 different Macs. When I went to Logitech's site, they themselves expressed that this is an issue that affects all Bluetooth mice. Now that's probably their way of saying "we have no idea what's going on, but we're certain that whatever the problem is it's not just us." But the fact remains that I do NOT have this issue with Apple's Magic Mouse.

Unfortunately, I'm finding Apple's Magic Mouse to be more and more uncomfortable the more I use it.
 

StarShot

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Nope, I use it as default. They work fine together.

That wasn't my point. My trackpad and mouse both worked fine. The problem was that I couldn't turn the trackpad off (ignore trackpad when mouse present).
 

yerffej

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I've had this problem (erratic cursor movement, delayed cursor response, jumpy cursor movement) with various Macs for years. This includes all the way back to OS 10.2 G4 desktops, laptops and currently 10.13. I've searched the web for solutions and found a dozen different supposed remedies, none have worked or only briefly. Personally, I think that when Apple has heard of the same problem for over a decade with a variety of computers and mice (and I guess trackpads)... well, maybe their management keeps engineers too busy with watches, pads, pods, phones and whatever. Although, while searching out this problem, I've seen reports of the same problems with Windows PCs and various mice; corded USB, Bluetooth and other wireless of various brands. Go figure... it is completely unpredictable for me when this problem occurs... it can be at the current moment and 15 minutes from now it goes back to proper operation. VERY frustrating when trying to get something done in Photoshop or any other app. This seems to be a great community, too bad no sure answers for this particular problem.
 

dianeoforegon

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Logitech makes some nice mice. Be sure to get one of their newer mice that use Logitech Option not the older Logitech Control Center for best results. They tend to let the LCC software languish before updating.

Currently, I'm using the M720. I find the programmable buttons on the side to be too easily pressed making them useless.
 

StarShot

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IMO, the Logitech M705 is a piece of crap. I should note it's not BT. Instead, there is a little usb dongle. The page up/down wheel is very erritc. I've switched to the new Microsoft "Surface" mouse which is BT and seems very accurate. List price is about $50, but I found it on eBay for a lot less...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Microsoft-...583900&hash=item4b359bde09:g:WgMAAOSw~o5aZh16

If you go to the link above and page down, you will see several for $20-$35.
 

greyeyezz

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Mar 29, 2017
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Using a Logitech M510, works perfectly with Sierra. For 50 bucks you think a Surface mouse would have back , forward buttons?
 
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