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umbilical

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May 3, 2008
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hi why apple dont make something like coherence mode of parallels! I hate need to restart with bootcamp.
 

CWallace

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Aug 17, 2007
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hi why apple dont make something like coherence mode of parallels! I hate need to restart with bootcamp.

There were rumors back in the early days of Leopard's development that you would be able to suspend your OS X session and then launch Windows via Boot Camp and then suspend it and switch back to OS X. However, in the end Apple just stayed with the original concept as beta-tested in Tiger.

It was never meant to allow you to run applications side-by-side like Coherence in Parallels. It is possible Parallels has patented that capability, since it is really nice.

I just wish they would support 64-bit Operating Systems so I could move to Vista x64. VMWare Fusion is nice in that regard, but Coherence is just too compelling for me to give up.
 

ayeying

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Dec 5, 2007
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Yay Area, CA
There were rumors back in the early days of Leopard's development that you would be able to suspend your OS X session and then launch Windows via Boot Camp and then suspend it and switch back to OS X. However, in the end Apple just stayed with the original concept as beta-tested in Tiger.

It was never meant to allow you to run applications side-by-side like Coherence in Parallels. It is possible Parallels has patented that capability, since it is really nice.

I just wish they would support 64-bit Operating Systems so I could move to Vista x64. VMWare Fusion is nice in that regard, but Coherence is just too compelling for me to give up.

Why did apple give up that concept anyways. Wouldn't it be pretty easy since it'll basically hibernate the system, restart into windows, do whatever, then during restart back into OSX, it'll resume from the hibernate?
 

maxrobertson

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Jun 15, 2006
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Jakarta
Why did apple give up that concept anyways. Wouldn't it be pretty easy since it'll basically hibernate the system, restart into windows, do whatever, then during restart back into OSX, it'll resume from the hibernate?

They gave it up because if you write to a hibernated Windows drive, say if you were in OS X and wanted to copy a file to it, it will corrupt the whole drive. And Apple doesn't want to make it too easy to run windows. They want you to run it only if you absolutely need to. Mac OS X is the main OS and they want you to remember that.
 

Consultant

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Jun 27, 2007
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There were rumors back in the early days of Leopard's development that you would be able to suspend your OS X session and then launch Windows via Boot Camp and then suspend it and switch back to OS X. However, in the end Apple just stayed with the original concept as beta-tested in Tiger.

It was never meant to allow you to run applications side-by-side like Coherence in Parallels. It is possible Parallels has patented that capability, since it is really nice.

I just wish they would support 64-bit Operating Systems so I could move to Vista x64. VMWare Fusion is nice in that regard, but Coherence is just too compelling for me to give up.

VMWare has "Unity"

If you want Unity or Coherence, go and buy it. You want everything to be free?
 

Muncher

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Apr 19, 2007
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They gave it up because if you write to a hibernated Windows drive, say if you were in OS X and wanted to copy a file to it, it will corrupt the whole drive. And Apple doesn't want to make it too easy to run windows. They want you to run it only if you absolutely need to. Mac OS X is the main OS and they want you to remember that.

But they also can't make it too hard. Bootcamp really is a pain. What would be cool is having two monitors, and having one show OS X and the other Windows (but that's just not happening :().
 

aiterum

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Nov 17, 2007
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But they also can't make it too hard. Bootcamp really is a pain. What would be cool is having two monitors, and having one show OS X and the other Windows (but that's just not happening :().

this is called 2 computers


also how is it hard don't know how to use the restart function???:confused:

this is kind of how normal dual boot computers work
 

kg9ov

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Feb 12, 2005
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But they also can't make it too hard. Bootcamp really is a pain. What would be cool is having two monitors, and having one show OS X and the other Windows (but that's just not happening :().

You can do this with VMWare and probably the other VM products. Load up a VM with windows, linux, solaris, etc. on it, put it on your second screen, and put it in full screen mode.

The reason you can't do that with BootCamp is because BootCamp is nothing more than a partitioning utility, a bunch of windows drivers, and some windows utilities. You have to reboot because Windows is not running in a VM, it's running directly on the hardware just like any other OS would (like OS X).
 

umbilical

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May 3, 2008
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I ask for games... bootcamp is better for run games.. but I want the os x too when run a game... well wait for apple new version of bootcamp without restart.
 

Infrared

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Mar 28, 2007
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I ask for games... bootcamp is better for run games.. but I want the os x too when run a game... well wait for apple new version of bootcamp without restart.

You'll be waiting a long time ;)

What you are hoping for is not simple to implement.
Each OS expects to be in complete control of the hardware.

To get what you want - if I understand you - you'd have to
mediate hardware access through some sort of type 1 hypervisor:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypervisor

It's doubtful that Apple would bother implementing that.
 

Muncher

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Apr 19, 2007
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California
You can do this with VMWare and probably the other VM products. Load up a VM with windows, linux, solaris, etc. on it, put it on your second screen, and put it in full screen mode.

The reason you can't do that with BootCamp is because BootCamp is nothing more than a partitioning utility, a bunch of windows drivers, and some windows utilities. You have to reboot because Windows is not running in a VM, it's running directly on the hardware just like any other OS would (like OS X).

Yes, I know how this stuff works. I was just thinking that with all the "parallelism" of these newfangled computers :p maybe they could find a way to have a mode that would split everything down the middle, and run two separate OSs at the same time. It seems possible, just hard.
 
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