Why do people expect perfection on Day 1 of iOS 11?

[richpjr]

Why do people expect perfection? Should they expect - mediocrity?
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Because iOS 1.0 was Day One. iOS 11 is day 3,600.

That made me chuckle - well played!

 

[bmac89]

Who made you update? It's not even released yet... THIS really gets me... Find what works for you and then camp out. Seems easy enough.

I think you got the wrong end of the stick. I chose to join the beta test and have chosen to stick with it as I enjoy the new features and Im willing to find and report bugs.

I’m just saying it would be nice for the update not to nag every single day. I know there are ways to avoid this but I know many people who just want a device that works well and would be willing to stay on iOS 10 until iOS 11 is ironed out. Most of these people wouldn’t even know about installing the tv beta profile to prevent update nagging.

 

[EM2013]

They need time to iron it out and in a month or so it'll be pretty smooth.

Isn't that what the 10 betas are for?

 

[AZhappyjack]

I think you got the wrong end of the stick. I chose to join the beta test and have chosen to stick with it as I enjoy the new features and Im willing to find and report bugs.

I’m just saying it would be nice for the update not to nag every single day. I know there are ways to avoid this but I know many people who just want a device that works well and would be willing to stay on iOS 10 until iOS 11 is ironed out. Most of these people wouldn’t even know about installing the tv beta profile to prevent update nagging.

Fair enough... while you don't have to upgrade, I can see where the nagging could be problematic...

 

[SoYoung]

I dont expect perfection, but I do expect things that worked before still work today. iOS 11 have important bug that I didn't have before (I use voice memo a lot to send MMS and there are a bad bug on iOS 11 for MMS with voice memo)

on iOS 10 they messed up the ability to listen audio message on your ears on the lock screen and they never fix it. Its all these little things who bugs me on each major iOS release and I know they'll take a while to fix those bugs.

 

[akash.nu]

Surly the end user who just wants the experience and has no or little knowledge about IT should expect a perfect OS?

My friends, family who do understand the fundamentals of the developemrnt world bugs etc have ever right to expect a perfect OS?

Shouldn’t that also go for me; someone who is a developer and paying Apple £900 for an iPhone? I shouldn’t expect flaws?

I'm shocked at your response being a developer. There is no "perfect" software. If people hold off release to iron out every little bug then it will never be released. That's why it's called iterative process.

 

[akash.nu]

Just as soon as the OS is perfectly stable, fast and polished, they release a new one and start all over again. I wish iOS updates were more incremental instead of a complete re-haul so they wouldn't break as many things.

It took forever for my iPhone 7 Plus to work properly on iOS 10. When I first got it, it was sloppy and animations did weird things. Lots of glitches everywhere. They finally addressed all of that with 10.3 (which took about 9 months or so).

So yeah, I'm not really ready to install a new glitch-fest.

And then we will have a hoard of users here who will moan about ios being "boring" due to lack of visual / behavioural changes.

 

[akash.nu]

Perhaps because it's the 11th major iteration of the operating system. I understand that each major version adds in many under the hood changes which introduce the risk of bugs. But equally, they've been doing this for 10 years now, and it feels like each iteration at this point should be a clear improvement on the last. Why do we go through some of the same problems every year?

People seem to accept that each major version will inevitably introduce performance issues and so on. I understand each major version has increased risk of doing this (over more minor, bug fixing updates), but it's not inevitable, and it should be increasingly less likely imo.
[doublepost=1505231390][/doublepost]People were even defending poorer performance in iOS 9, when one of iOS 9's stated features was better performance. If Apple are updating their OS to include performance improvements, the argument that it's normal for the update to reduce performance until they fix it up in later minor updates just doesn't make sense.

Unfortunately that's just how normal software development works.

 

[GreyOS]

Unfortunately that's just how normal software development works.

Which part? My bit about iOS 9? Not really. If my company released an update which was meant to improve performance and it actually reduced it, it wouldn’t be normal or acceptable

 

[Ashin]

Why have standards slipped this much exactly?

People aren't expecting perfection... just something that works, and doesn't have glaring bugs that were reported during betas.

 

[Galacticos]

People expect the software to be perfect because the hardware has just been copied from Samsung thus leaving extra resources for software development

 

[TonyC28]

You have to remember that the large majority of iPhone users are not people like us who spend our time on websites reading about rumors and beta software. Most people use their iPhone casually and update when they see the notification. When they do that update is it really unreasonable for them to expect that their iPhone continues to work the same?

 

[iphonehype]

I'm shocked at your response being a developer. There is no "perfect" software. If people hold off release to iron out every little bug then it will never be released. That's why it's called iterative process.

Your a developer, I’m in cloud computing with limited knowledge being in the development world understand this fundemtnal about programming, software, games OSs right?

My mother, friend, Uncle heck my neighbour who have Limited or consumer understanding of IT wouldn’t understand bugs or why they exist. If they spent £1000 on a phone or £10k on a car they expect it to work. Both hardware and software. The excuse oh my we are irnong our bugs and fixed every few months wouldn’t be acceptable to them & why should it?

 

[akash.nu]

Your a developer, I’m in cloud computing with limited knowledge being in the development world understand this fundemtnal about programming, software, games OSs right?

My mother, friend, Uncle heck my neighbour who have Limited or consumer understanding of IT wouldn’t understand bugs or why they exist. If they spent £1000 on a phone or £10k on a car they expect it to work. Both hardware and software. The excuse oh my we are irnong our bugs and fixed every few months wouldn’t be acceptable to them & why should it?

This car & phone analogy actually doesn't work most of the times. They're not similar type of products. It's like asking a fish to climb a tree & getting disappointed when it fails.

 

[akash.nu]

Which part? My bit about iOS 9? Not really. If my company released an update which was meant to improve performance and it actually reduced it, it wouldn’t be normal or acceptable

"Performance" is actually used as a generic term likely used in the industry starting from code optimisation to bug fixes to component driven development approach. Plus it's a subjective opinion. There's no point in banging on about things without knowing specific details about it. Old piece of hardware will always underperform with new software and technologies. That's how real life is, not accepting something doesn't change the fact.

 

[Lodesman]

Because people are idiots and usually don't understand what goes in to actually creating an OS.

They know how to criticize though

Absolutely ! Because many (I include myself in this group) don't know (or care) what goes into creating an OS, all the more reason to feel disappointed if it doesn't work "out of the box". Criticism is the natural reaction.

If we are encouraged to update our phones by the manufacturer from an OS that is working well and find the new OS does not offer the same initial reliability as the old one I believe it is acceptable to complain.

 

[billionsofeyes]

Absolutely ! Because many (I include myself in this group) don't know (or care) what goes into creating an OS, all the more reason to feel disappointed if it doesn't work "out of the box". Criticism is the natural reaction.

So instead of learning a little bit about what goes into...it's easier to just complain, and bask in ignorance...right?

 

[Altis]

Because we rely on our devices to go about daily business.

So when Apple decides to push down an irreversible update that breaks or adds features nobody asked for, it can create problems on our expensive devices that we can't just run out and replace.

Also, by iOS 11, they should be addressing bugs (and performance) quicker than creating new ones.

 

[richpjr]

Its funny how some hold Apple to such a different standard than other companies.

 

[Lodesman]

So instead of learning a little bit about what goes into...it's easier to just complain, and bask in ignorance...right?

Perhaps if I explain, I am a user of Apple equipment, I expect it to perform well or, at least, as advertised. I don't have either the time or interest in what goes on in the background. I merely require the OS to deliver as offered. I find these pages interesting.

I do understand that there are many who are intensely interested in the 'nuts and bolts' of the OS and participate in the development through beta testing and I have no problem with this, especially if it results in a good OS.

A computer, tablet and phone are all tools to me, as are my camera, TV, Broadband, Car, Boat and Aircraft. If I needed to know the internal workings of each of these I'd never get round to using them.

By all means take a serious interest in the OS but please don't criticise those of us who merely use the equipment.

 

[akash.nu]

Perhaps if I explain, I am a user of Apple equipment, I expect it to perform well or, at least, as advertised. I don't have either the time or interest in what goes on in the background. I merely require the OS to deliver as offered. I find these pages interesting.

I do understand that there are many who are intensely interested in the 'nuts and bolts' of the OS and participate in the development through beta testing and I have no problem with this, especially if it results in a good OS.

A computer, tablet and phone are all tools to me, as are my camera, TV, Broadband, Car, Boat and Aircraft. If I needed to know the internal workings of each of these I'd never get round to using them.

By all means take a serious interest in the OS but please don't criticise those of us who merely use the equipment.

You made an awesome point there. I agree, most consumers don't care about internals and the working knowhow of these devices. Unfortunately personal computing in general falls between the two "tools" category you mentioned.

Camera, TV, broadband - all developed for a specific purpose and are only able to do that... they're super simplified tools.

Car, Boat, aircraft- also developed for a specific purpose and are only able to do that. Although more often than not "using" these would require formal training.

Personal computer, however, does not have a specific purpose and can be used by any joe, which means they get complicated and people experience issues simply due to the sheer complexity and combination of what can be done with it.

 

[zorinlynx]

I don't expect everything to be perfect on day one. However, some things like smooth animations should be perfect on day one.

There's no reason an iPhone 7 Plus should have stuttery animations. Ever. It has a three core CPU and a fast GPU. iOS 10 is liquid smooth in every way and never has animation stutters, yet iOS 11 has a few. (admittedly not as bad as iOS 10 was on release day)

I can even understand other bugs, but animations and the fluidness of the UI is something that should be perfected by now.

 

[billionsofeyes]

Perhaps if I explain, I am a user of Apple equipment, I expect it to perform well or, at least, as advertised. I don't have either the time or interest in what goes on in the background. I merely require the OS to deliver as offered. I find these pages interesting.

I do understand that there are many who are intensely interested in the 'nuts and bolts' of the OS and participate in the development through beta testing and I have no problem with this, especially if it results in a good OS.

A computer, tablet and phone are all tools to me, as are my camera, TV, Broadband, Car, Boat and Aircraft. If I needed to know the internal workings of each of these I'd never get round to using them.

By all means take a serious interest in the OS but please don't criticise those of us who merely use the equipment.

I see it different as I'm a developer - the way I usually explain it is...you're building a house - you get the keys after the builders have finished - but you still have to call them back every week to finish something that you've only noticed once you've been in there - wiring from a switch not working etc. They aren't big things, they won't stop you living your life but it'd make life better to have them fixed.

iOS has around 10m lines of code, that interacts with apps all with millions of lines of code that all operate on hardware with its own interactions. There are going to be kinks to work out - there always will be. Even with the best software engineers - there simply won't be perfection

To expect perfection from day 1 is naive at best - naive end user or not.

 

[mazdamiata210]

Cause you had a working calculator since iOS 1.0, there's no reason why it doesn't work now... Especially after 10 betas.

 

[GIZBUG]

Cause you had a working calculator since iOS 1.0, there's no reason why it doesn't work now... Especially after 10 betas.

2+2 still = 4 on my IOS calculator. Seems to be working for me.
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To expect perfection from day 1 is naive at best - naive end user or not.

Again, given the IOS was available to the PUBLIC to beta test, which resulted in hundreds of thousand more people testing it, to find everyday bugs, there is no reason some of these "bugs" should even exist! If there were 100 beta testers, sure, but hundreds of thousands who now test with the "public" beta test? Cmon!