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mebehere

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Or make unusable? My iPad 3 became essentially unusable after the last update it qualified for. Why wasn't there a warning that this could happen? Should there be more transparency on Apple's part? I think so.
 

Shirasaki

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Apple’s incentive is to push everyone to the latest firmware, regardless of the performance issue.
So, I highly doubt this would ever happen.
 

yegon

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I remember updating my iPhone 3G to iOS4 a couple of days before my launch day iPhone 4 arrived. Holy smokes, it became the closest-to-bricked-without-actually-being-bricked device I’ve ever owned! XD

Then my absolutely wonderful 4 arrived, never experienced a more satisfying upgrade before or since.

I believe later iOS4 updates made the 3G a little better. Still, they never should have updated it past iOS3, it was an okay, slightly sluggish texting and basic browsing device on that version.
 
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thingstoponder

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Because why would they? They would be the only company that does that. Surely most people know by now that newer software may not run as well as launch day software.
 

Feenician

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Or make unusable? My iPad 3 became essentially unusable after the last update it qualified for. Why wasn't there a warning that this could happen? Should there be more transparency on Apple's part? I think so.

What would the precedent be for that, in any OS upgrade anywhere? Why would Apple in particular be expected to do so?
 
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jr866gooner

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I've an iPhone 4 on iOS 7 that I use only for podcasts and music and blimey it's so slow! It needs to be rebooted each week and takes so long to download and process podcasts...

There is no way I could use it day to day..

The 5S I was extremely surprised at how well it ran iOS 10.. I dread how it will run 11 though!
 

Howard2k

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It's lose/lose.

Don't make the software run on older slower devices, people whine about their platform being abandoned.
Do make the software run on older slower devices, people whine about performance.
 
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KGB7

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It happens with every product ever made by anyone.
That's why no one ever provides 100% guarantee to have zero issues.
 

jr866gooner

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Wonder if they can only apply security and critical updates to the older devices and avoid the bloat!
 

LoveToMacRumors

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Or make unusable? My iPad 3 became essentially unusable after the last update it qualified for. Why wasn't there a warning that this could happen? Should there be more transparency on Apple's part? I think so.
Because they want you to buy the new iPhone. Don't be surprised. I would do the same if I was Tim Cook
 
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Falhófnir

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TBH recent devices aren't nearly as bad on their final OS versions (by the sounds of things) as has been in the case in the past. iPhone 5 and iPad 4 on iOS 10 are still perfectly usable, iPhone 5s, sounds reasonably ok on 11 (though not sounding too good for iPad Air and iPad mini 2 in fairness, due to lower ram) device power has increased exponentially while OS requirements have only drifted up linearly (if that).
 
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CTHarrryH

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Because it runs slowly for you doesn't mean it runs slowly for everyone. Maybe it is an application that you run. Maybe it is your network access. Based upon this forum - sure people have had issues with updates but more don't have problems with them.
Not saying it isn't a real problem for you but it may not be a general problem. There are people who buy a brand new model phone and complain about performance
 
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FrozenInferno

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Should be common sense by now I would think. Continue to pile in more features and functionality = old hardware is going to have trouble with it and slow down. Technology marches on but this hardware is frozen in time.

That said, there's no doubt in my mind there is at least SOME planned obsolescence built into Apple software. The burning need to sell, sell, sell is too strong to resist.
 

_Kiki_

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should be available option to back to older OS anytime, but Apple don't care and they want force you to buy new iDevice

There is no evidence to support such claim, other wise there would be a law suit.
Which evidence do you need? maybe you should call "committee of investigation"
 
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KGB7

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should be available option to back to older OS anytime, but Apple don't care and they want force you to buy new iDevice


Which evidence do you need? maybe you should call "committee of investigation"

How about a software code in ios that clearly shows that older devices are being hindered??
[doublepost=1504404285][/doublepost]
Should be common sense by now I would think. Continue to pile in more features and functionality = old hardware is going to have trouble with it and slow down. Technology marches on but this hardware is frozen in time.

That said, there's no doubt in my mind there is at least SOME planned obsolescence built into Apple software. The burning need to sell, sell, sell is too strong to resist.

Common sense has no place in court. If you don't have factual proof, then your common sense is worthless.
 

trifid

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Sluggish iOS update -> new device purchase

That’s how Apple profits.
 

_Kiki_

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How about a software code in ios that clearly shows that older devices are being hindered??
currently you can't even turn off auto-notfiactions with updates, so less tech people are "bricking" their older iDevices unawarely
 

Septembersrain

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currently you can't even turn off auto-notfiactions with updates, so less tech people are "bricking" their older iDevices unawarely

Now that would be a nice option. A person can actively remove an update if they choose not to update their devices. Just put a disclaimer that security might be compromised or release a security patch minus all the added features that slow these devices down.
 
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_Kiki_

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Now that would be a nice option. A person can actively remove an update if they choose not to update their devices. Just put a disclaimer that security might be compromised or release a security patch minus all the added features that slow these devices down.

on Macs it's not a problem you can use older OSX at own risk, also security patches are for 2 generations back (currently Yosemite it's the last "safe" OSX to use)
 

FrozenInferno

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How about a software code in ios that clearly shows that older devices are being hindered??
[doublepost=1504404285][/doublepost]

Common sense has no place in court. If you don't have factual proof, then your common sense is worthless.

So because nobody can prove it (yet) I have to side with innocent 'ole Apple by default? Naw, it doesn't work that way either. Maybe Apple could prove to us that it doesn't pull these tricks instead.
 
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