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AdrainSingapore

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This is just my opinion and I am here to share with you my thoughts. Firstly it's the hardware, the nexus 4 lacks lte and the memory is capped at 16Gb with no expandable storage and 1Gb of ram. As you know android has a lot of customizable features it takes up most of the ram and most of the time I found it lagging. While the iphone knows how to take full advantage of what it has. I know there is a lte version galaxy s3 with 2Gb of ram but I have never liked amoled displays as the colors are not natural(I know everybody has their own preferences). I think I like both android and iOS equally but it is the hardware that separates them. I particularly don't like htc sense if you are asking about htc. I might be getting the galaxy s4 or the next nexus phone if they have more ram or storage capacity.
 

gladoscc

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This is just my opinion and I am here to share with you my thoughts. Firstly it's the hardware, the nexus 4 lacks lte and the memory is capped at 16Gb with no expandable storage and 1Gb of ram. As you know android has a lot of customizable features it takes up most of the ram and most of the time I found it lagging. While the iphone knows how to take full advantage of what it has. I know there is a lte version galaxy s3 with 2Gb of ram but I have never liked amoled displays as the colors are not natural(I know everybody has their own preferences). I think I like both android and iOS equally but it is the hardware that separates them. I particularly don't like htc sense if you are asking about htc. I might be getting the galaxy s4 or the next nexus phone if they have more ram or storage capacity.

That's great, and that's your opinion.
 

AdrainSingapore

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I find the Apple App Store lags like crazy. The Google Play Store is soooooooo smooth.
For me the App Store is ok, lags sometimes if have some intensive apps in the background. But the quality of the apps in the play store aren't as good as the AppStore imo
 

Daveoc64

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Jan 16, 2008
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This post has several problems.

You talk about preferring one Operating System over another by talking about hardware.

You then say that you're going to "firstly" talk about something - only going on to mention one thing.

Thirdly, you don't seem to understand memory management in an operating system.
 

Vegastouch

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Jul 12, 2008
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This is just my opinion and I am here to share with you my thoughts. Firstly it's the hardware, the nexus 4 lacks lte and the memory is capped at 16Gb with no expandable storage and 1Gb of ram. As you know android has a lot of customizable features it takes up most of the ram and most of the time I found it lagging. While the iphone knows how to take full advantage of what it has. I know there is a lte version galaxy s3 with 2Gb of ram but I have never liked amoled displays as the colors are not natural(I know everybody has their own preferences). I think I like both android and iOS equally but it is the hardware that separates them. I particularly don't like htc sense if you are asking about htc. I might be getting the galaxy s4 or the next nexus phone if they have more ram or storage capacity.

The N4 has 2 GB of RAM but your right about only 16GB, so far. I dont really care about LTE though.

As for hardware....a 4" skinny screen will lose everytime for me. Its just too small.
 

F123D

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Sep 16, 2008
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Thanks for your opinion. Enjoy your absolute jewel of an iPhone made with the precision of a finely crafted watch.
 

Stuntman06

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Sep 19, 2011
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This is just my opinion and I am here to share with you my thoughts. Firstly it's the hardware, the nexus 4 lacks lte and the memory is capped at 16Gb with no expandable storage and 1Gb of ram. As you know android has a lot of customizable features it takes up most of the ram and most of the time I found it lagging. While the iphone knows how to take full advantage of what it has. I know there is a lte version galaxy s3 with 2Gb of ram but I have never liked amoled displays as the colors are not natural(I know everybody has their own preferences). I think I like both android and iOS equally but it is the hardware that separates them. I particularly don't like htc sense if you are asking about htc. I might be getting the galaxy s4 or the next nexus phone if they have more ram or storage capacity.

So you pick and choose aspects of different Android phones you don't like and conclude that iOS is better. Well, if you don't like your memory capped at 16GB, buy any of the others that allow you to expand your storage. In fact, many Android phones can have expanded storage unlike every iOS device. You don't like AMOLED displays, well there are a large number of Android phones without AMOLED displays. Don't like HTC Sense? There are a lot of non-HTC phones. No LTE, well there are many Android phones that does have LTE.
 

onthecouchagain

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Mar 29, 2011
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So you pick and choose aspects of different Android phones you don't like and conclude that iOS is better. Well, if you don't like your memory capped at 16GB, buy any of the others that allow you to expand your storage. In fact, many Android phones can have expanded storage unlike every iOS device. You don't like AMOLED displays, well there are a large number of Android phones without AMOLED displays. Don't like HTC Sense? There are a lot of non-HTC phones. No LTE, well there are many Android phones that does have LTE.

That's the only way they can proclaim iOS is better than Android.

It's gotten down to nitpicking and/or very few and specific apps that Android doesn't happen to have yet. Android is so vast a platform that almost whatever you're looking for can be covered, but detractors like this will cherry pick precisely what they need to. The same cannot be said about iPhone and iOS; they cannot cover everyone's different needs like Android can (screen size is but one of many examples).

All the while these same people will ignore or pretend that the advantages of Android over iOS are "useless, unnecessary," etc. I'd wager if instead of Android having them, if iOS had widgets or gesture-typing or any of the other plethora of old and new features exclusive to Android, people like this would be singing a very different tune. They might even say Apple is innovating.
 

matttye

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Mar 25, 2009
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That's the only way they can proclaim iOS is better than Android.

It's gotten down to nitpicking and/or very few and specific apps that Android doesn't happen to have yet. Android is so vast a platform that almost whatever you're looking for can be covered, but detractors like this will cherry pick precisely what they need to. The same cannot be said about iPhone and iOS; they cannot cover everyone's different needs like Android can (screen size is but one of many examples).

All the while these same people will ignore or pretend that the advantages of Android over iOS are "useless, unnecessary," etc. I'd wager if instead of Android having them, if iOS had widgets or gesture-typing or any of the other plethora of old and new features exclusive to Android, people like this would be singing a very different tune. They might even say Apple is innovating.

Never used gesture typing. Tried it but couldn't get on with it. Couldn't care less if Apple added it or not as I wouldn't use it.

There are some cool features on Android for sure. What I'd really like to see is an iMessage and iCloud alternative. Native. However, the problem with that of course is that because of fragmentation, a lot of people wouldn't get the update that included those features.
 

SomeDudeAsking

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Never used gesture typing. Tried it but couldn't get on with it. Couldn't care less if Apple added it or not as I wouldn't use it.

There are some cool features on Android for sure. What I'd really like to see is an iMessage and iCloud alternative. Native. However, the problem with that of course is that because of fragmentation, a lot of people wouldn't get the update that included those features.

Have you ever heard of Skype and DropBox?
 

Oletros

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Jul 27, 2009
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Native. However, the problem with that of course is that because of fragmentation, a lot of people wouldn't get the update that included those features.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Yap, you're thinking about iOS where the features are tied to the OS, not Android where the features are tied to individual apps updated independently of the OS
 

ChazUK

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Feb 3, 2008
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:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Yap, you're thinking about iOS where the features are tied to the OS, not Android where the features are tied to individual apps updated independently of the OS

Oletros has a good point.

Google Maps - not tied to the OS, updated across all revisions.
Google Mail - not tied to the OS, updated across all revisions.
Google search - not tied to the OS, updated across all revisions.
Google play - not tied to the OS, updated across all revisions.

There are more core features that are updated independently of firmware. There wouldn't be much difficulty in Google pushing a new messaging app out throughout the play store for everyone to use. They've already done this with the stock Calendar app. :)
 

matttye

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Mar 25, 2009
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Have you ever heard of Skype and DropBox?

The other person has to be using Skype; something which isn't guaranteed. Every iOS user that is using iOS 5 or later has iMessage.

And DropBox isn't the same as iCloud. iCloud supports photo stream (where photos are automatically sent to all of your other devices), shared photo streams (where you can add photos to a stream and they're automatically sent to everyone you've added to that stream), music and app syncing, where songs you buy and apps you download are automatically downloaded to your other devices, etc.



:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Yap, you're thinking about iOS where the features are tied to the OS, not Android where the features are tied to individual apps updated independently of the OS

Yeah. I'd rather it be tied to the OS so that everyone is using the same thing. Makes things simple.

In terms of feature upgrades, independent apps are good, but when you just want to be able to communicate with people it's obviously good if everyone has a native option available (think BBM).

I don't need a messaging app with lots of bells and whistles, I just need one that I can use to talk to people.
 

ChazUK

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Feb 3, 2008
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Yeah. I'd rather it be tied to the OS so that everyone is using the same thing. Makes things simple.

In terms of feature upgrades, independent apps are good, but when you just want to be able to communicate with people it's obviously good if everyone has a native option available (think BBM).

I don't need a messaging app with lots of bells and whistles, I just need one that I can use to talk to people.

The problem with some features being tied to the OS is that you have to wait for firmware updates for features to be added and any bugs to be squashed.

The very nature of the way iOS and Android are updated (or not :mad:) has probably forced Google into pushing core applications away from firmware, but I have seen multiple devices updated with new features through the Play Store regardless of firmware revision.

One example for me was when Google Maps Navigation was released in a Nexus One firmware update. I got it through firmware but everyone else who would have missed out was able to just update the Google Maps app and have feature parity with what I had on a Nexus device. It does work on Android well (provided the base firmware is at the right API level I should add).

With my iPhone I first hope that Apple entitles me to the new features, then I have to wait for an OTA update. Very different ways of doing things.
 

The iGentleman

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Jul 13, 2012
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Yeah. I'd rather it be tied to the OS so that everyone is using the same thing. Makes things simple.
Being tied to the OS limits progression due to the fact that the only time new features are added, is when a new iteration of the OS is released. It is much more efficient and convenient for users when features are made modular, so they can be managed independent of the OS itself.

In terms of feature upgrades, independent apps are good, but when you just want to be able to communicate with people it's obviously good if everyone has a native option available (think BBM).
Android's native communication solution is Gtalk. Gtalk is on every Android phone and quite frankly is the most powerful native communication platform available. Using Gtalk, one can create "rooms" comprised of whoever you want to be a part of it. It can also be used for video chats, and obviously one on one messaging.
 

matttye

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Being tied to the OS limits progression due to the fact that the only time new features are added, is when a new iteration of the OS is released. It is much more efficient and convenient for users when features are made modular, so they can be managed independent of the OS itself.


Android's native communication solution is Gtalk. Gtalk is on every Android phone and quite frankly is the most powerful native communication platform available. Using Gtalk, one can create "rooms" comprised of whoever you want to be a part of it. It can also be used for video chats, and obviously one on one messaging.

But you can't copy messages from it. :p Unless it's been updated in the month or so since I last used Android.
 

mib1800

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The other person has to be using Skype; something which isn't guaranteed. Every iOS user that is using iOS 5 or later has iMessage.

Well, the rest of the 80% of smartphone users in the world can't do iMessage. ;)

And DropBox isn't the same as iCloud. iCloud supports photo stream (where photos are automatically sent to all of your other devices), shared photo streams (where you can add photos to a stream and they're automatically sent to everyone you've added to that stream), music and app syncing, where songs you buy and apps you download are automatically downloaded to your other devices, etc.

In Android, background sync (like what you describe) can be done for many different share providers (instead of on just one proprietary provider on iOS)

On apps download/purchase, Android Playstore is so much better. You can purchase/select apps from the web browser and select which device(s) to have the app synced to.

Yeah. I'd rather it be tied to the OS so that everyone is using the same thing. Makes things simple.

In terms of feature upgrades, independent apps are good, but when you just want to be able to communicate with people it's obviously good if everyone has a native option available (think BBM).

I don't need a messaging app with lots of bells and whistles, I just need one that I can use to talk to people.

Then you will be waiting long time for Apple to add more "share" providers in the share menu. On Android you just install the share provider app and it automatically inserts itself into share.

The power of Android is that it is designed to be modular. You can pluck out any core apps (e.g. email, contact, keyboard, browser, media player etc) and replaced them with updated versions (or other 3rd party ones) without needing to replace the entire OS or firmware.

On the other hand, in iOS, all core apps are entangled with the OS making the entire OS bloated. You can't deploy new functions in the core apps without doing a firmware updates. And we know firmware updates in iOS dont happen very often.
 

matttye

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Well, the rest of the 80% of smartphone users in the world can't do iMessage. ;)



In Android, background sync (like what you describe) can be done for many different share providers (instead of on just one proprietary provider on iOS)

On apps download/purchase, Android Playstore is so much better. You can purchase/select apps from the web browser and select which device(s) to have the app synced to.



Then you will be waiting long time for Apple to add more "share" providers in the share menu. On Android you just install the share provider app and it automatically inserts itself into share.

The power of Android is that it is designed to be modular. You can pluck out any core apps (e.g. email, contact, keyboard, browser, media player etc) and replaced them with updated versions (or other 3rd party ones) without needing to replace the entire OS or firmware.

On the other hand, in iOS, all core apps are entangled with the OS making the entire OS bloated. You can't deploy new functions in the core apps without doing a firmware updates. And we know firmware updates in iOS dont happen very often.

I owned numerous Android devices for three years and was a guide on a popular Android forum so I'm well aware of a lot of its' features :p

Installing an app from the web browser is not the same as what I'm talking about. On iOS you install an app on one of your devices and it can be automatically downloaded on your others too via iCloud. As far as I know, that's not possible on Android, although I've only ever owned one Android smartphone at a time (and no tablets).

Not sure how the sharing API is relevant here?

Android and iOS each have their advantages, but something like iMessage SHOULD be baked into the OS so that there's a consistent experience for everybody and everybody can chat using an app that is installed on every OS.

Google Talk isn't installed on every phone as far as I know. Whilst it has features like voice and video chat, it misses out things like being able to copy and paste. I'm not sure how Google Talk works if you login on multiple devices; does it sync conversations across devices?
 

Dave.UK

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Sep 24, 2012
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On iOS you install an app on one of your devices and it can be automatically downloaded on your others too via iCloud. As far as I know, that's not possible on Android, although I've only ever owned one Android smartphone at a time (and no tablets).

When you download/purchase an app/book/music its available on ALL your Android devices. All apps/books/music are linked to your account, not your device.
 

jsw

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When you download/purchase an app/book/music its available on ALL your Android devices. All apps/books/music are linked to your account, not your device.
This is true, but I believe matttye's point was that the install was automatic to all devices, assuming you've configured them to accept that. I agree that's a plus, although, unless you have many devices, it's not all that hard to install individually from the web. Still... an "install to all my devices" button would be nice.
 

cynics

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Jan 8, 2012
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I think there are a lot of good reasons to prefer iOS over Android but the OP's reasoning seems week at best.

The N4 is a single phone designed to work everywhere and until an LTE chipset does it won't have it. The phone has 2 gb of ram so that's just misinformation. It doesn't have an sd card so you prefer iOS? Come on.

The only valid point is the on board storage. 16 gb is lacking I agree I think this is just another push to cloud computing. Which I still haven't gotten used to how all that works. On my tablet I've rooted reset and rommed multiple times wiping the device every time. However if set it restores everything back to the tablet, pictures and everything. I have it set to not reinstall everything but it still restores my pics.

I think a better subject title would be why I prefer the iPhone to the N4.
 

Stuntman06

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Google Talk isn't installed on every phone as far as I know. Whilst it has features like voice and video chat, it misses out things like being able to copy and paste. I'm not sure how Google Talk works if you login on multiple devices; does it sync conversations across devices?

You have multiple appearances if you log in on multiple devices. When initiating a video chat, you can select which device to call. I haven't checked if chats sync across devices. Think they would just like many other messaging services.
 

mib1800

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I owned numerous Android devices for three years and was a guide on a popular Android forum so I'm well aware of a lot of its' features :p

Installing an app from the web browser is not the same as what I'm talking about. On iOS you install an app on one of your devices and it can be automatically downloaded on your others too via iCloud. As far as I know, that's not possible on Android, although I've only ever owned one Android smartphone at a time (and no tablets).

Ok. It is not automatic in Playstore. If I am not mistaken the following is not possible with iCloud, but on Playstore you can add multiple accounts and all apps registered to those accounts are aggregated and listed in the "ALL" category. You select just select them here and install to you Android devices without searching for those apps again. And with this you can maintain separate primary a/c for each of your devices and still share your apps easily.

Not sure how the sharing API is relevant here?

This is only one example to show why it is better not to bake "core apps" into the OS e.g. browser, contact etc. Android architecture is much more flexible as you can upgrade core apps separate from the OS.

Android and iOS each have their advantages, but something like iMessage SHOULD be baked into the OS so that there's a consistent experience for everybody and everybody can chat using an app that is installed on every OS.

Google Talk isn't installed on every phone as far as I know. Whilst it has features like voice and video chat, it misses out things like being able to copy and paste. I'm not sure how Google Talk works if you login on multiple devices; does it sync conversations across devices?

All the android devices that I have, Google Talk is preinstalled. Newer ones have Google+ as well.
 
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