Why iOS never implemented MMS warning for non volte/IMS compatible iPhones?

[lm2]

hello

here is the simple question, for phones in 2/3G, or non volte/IMS compatible :
when a MMS has been sent to the subscriber (of a such phone), android nor iphone will warn the user that "a mms is in queue for reception, please enable cellular data to receive it"
a bit like it's "stuck in the pipe" : if cellular data is not enabled, mms will never be received (no IMS/volte compatibility)

well, for postmarketos, i dont understand how it's looks almost "quite easy" to warn the user :

Because incoming MMS is signaled by a binary SMS, and unlike MMS, SMS is delivered over an independent channel than mobile data. Android and iOS would be perfectly capable to do so too if only Google and Apple wanted to implement it that way. Apparently they didn't.

millions of dollars invested in two huge incredible mobile operating system for two decades, and postmarketos (created in 2017) is able to manage a such feature (yeah, I communicate with people only with phone/SMS/MMS/mails/xmpp), i just dont understand...

any idea?

thank you

 

[Paddle1]

Because they expect you to have data enabled at all times.

 

[ManuCH]

Phones on 2G or 3G can still receive MMS as long as data is enabled. If a user chooses to disable mobile data, that's his choice. Also, MMS is a dying technology (in Europe many operators completely discontinued it).

 

[lm2]

(in Europe many operators completely discontinued it).

Wrong.
Switzerland shutted of their 2G, 3G works well
UK same, they turned off 2G, 3G still goes on (or inverted) at least up to 2035 (on request for a decade more, validated)

shutting off both 2G 3G networks is sure of being lot of issues with mtm and non smartphone devices, that's why lot of EU and african countries still have either 2G or 3G or even both.
there is currently zero country in EU with only 4G/5G.

Because they expect you to have data enabled at all times.

well, i have a 50MB quota (not GB, MB)
it's really low cost, i would never buy more.

Phones on 2G or 3G can still receive MMS as long as data is enabled.

yep ; but MMS can manage a SMS to warn "mms is awaiting to be received", strange to get this.

on my own i have an iphone, i check once per day for mms in queue. I never use mobile internet outside. It's very rare, i use wifi+vpn.

 

[Paddle1]

Wrong.
Switzerland shutted of their 2G, 3G works well
UK same, they turned off 2G, 3G still goes on (or inverted) at least up to 2035 (on request for a decade more, validated)

shutting off both 2G 3G networks is sure of being lot of issues with mtm and non smartphone devices, that's why lot of EU and african countries still have either 2G or 3G or even both.
there is currently zero country in EU with only 4G/5G.



well, i have a 50MB quota (not GB, MB)
it's really low cost, i would never buy more.


yep ; but MMS can manage a SMS to warn "mms is awaiting to be received", strange to get this.

on my own i have an iphone, i check once per day for mms in queue. I never use mobile internet outside. It's very rare, i use wifi+vpn.

Does MMS count towards your data usage? It doesn't on my carrier.

 

[ManuCH]

Wrong.
Switzerland shutted of their 2G, 3G works well
UK same, they turned off 2G, 3G still goes on (or inverted) at least up to 2035 (on request for a decade more, validated)

shutting off both 2G 3G networks is sure of being lot of issues with mtm and non smartphone devices, that's why lot of EU and african countries still have either 2G or 3G or even both.
there is currently zero country in EU with only 4G/5G.



well, i have a 50MB quota (not GB, MB)
it's really low cost, i would never buy more.


yep ; but MMS can manage a SMS to warn "mms is awaiting to be received", strange to get this.

on my own i have an iphone, i check once per day for mms in queue. I never use mobile internet outside. It's very rare, i use wifi+vpn.

What is wrong? I know very well Switzerland shut down 2G. 3G is still around for now (but not for much longer). I was talking about the fact that MMS has been shut down for most operators, and that's independent of 2G/3G shutdown.

You are really living quite an edge case: still relying on MMS, and having a very small quota on your data. That's probably just not what operators focus on, as they all provide flat rates nowadays (or in any case way more than 50 MB).

My point was that you can very well still receive MMS if you have data enabled but only have 2G or 3G (depending on the country, and if your operator still supports MMS). It has nothing to do with VoLTE compatibility, as there is no VoLTE on 3G. You are mixing different technologies which have nothing to do with each other.

 

[magicMac]

Wrong.
UK same, they turned off 2G, 3G still goes on (or inverted) at least up to 2035 (on request for a decade more, validated)

Wrong. UK networks have bene shutting down 3G while keeping 2G active for now.

 

[lm2]

Does MMS count towards your data usage? It doesn't on my carrier.

iphone (and androids) can't handle only MMS while data enables internet too.

What is wrong? I know very well Switzerland shut down 2G. 3G is still around for now (but not for much longer). I was talking about the fact that MMS has been shut down for most operators, and that's independent of 2G/3G shutdown.

Wrong.
In EU, maybe only germany stopped it.
At least all western europe uses MMS everyday.

You are really living quite an edge case: still relying on MMS, and having a very small quota on your data. That's probably just not what operators focus on, as they all provide flat rates nowadays (or in any case way more than 50 MB).

Not "I", but "we".
it's not a choice, as not everyone here have a smartphone or internet-based messaging apps. So MMS is really for telecoms what email is : a compatible with everyone technology. Lot of people doesnt likes it, but it's the only way to transmit a picture, basically, especially on non ios/android devices. It's a fact. Not only in Europe tbh.

My point was that you can very well still receive MMS if you have data enabled but only have 2G or 3G (depending on the country, and if your operator still supports MMS). It has nothing to do with VoLTE compatibility, as there is no VoLTE on 3G. You are mixing different technologies which have nothing to do with each other.

i was not speaking about volte, except to explain with IMS, it permit eg android to receive mms via wifi.

But the point was : grandma have a iphone 7, with a really low quota. It's not possible to stay with data enabled anytime, as the phone eat quota permanently. That's why she have to enable it few mins every day, because iphone can't warn about mms awaiting in the queue.

That's it.

Wrong. UK networks have bene shutting down 3G while keeping 2G active for now.

I said "or inverted" because i have noticed a such thing but keeping 2G active is not that bad (more compatibles devices)

 

[ManuCH]

Wrong.
In EU, maybe only germany stopped it.
At least all western europe uses MMS everyday.

Wrong. I live in Switzerland and all operators turned off MMS.

Not "I", but "we".
it's not a choice, as not everyone here have a smartphone or internet-based messaging apps. So MMS is really for telecoms what email is : a compatible with everyone technology. Lot of people doesnt likes it, but it's the only way to transmit a picture, basically, especially on non ios/android devices. It's a fact. Not only in Europe tbh.

In what country are you? I'm curious where it is that flat rates are not yet widely available to everyone.

But the point was : grandma have a iphone 7, with a really low quota. It's not possible to stay with data enabled anytime, as the phone eat quota permanently. That's why she have to enable it few mins every day, because iphone can't warn about mms awaiting in the queue.

My mother is 78 years old and has a flat rate subscription that costs the equivalent of €10/month. Anyone can afford that, in my opinion, if they want to remain connected.

 

[JoyfulPlantLady]

Because 95% of the world is on 4G/5G and SMS or iMessage with either unlimited data or a generous monthly allowance. People like you are just too small in number for them to want to spend any time or money catering to, unfortunately.

 

[Paddle1]

How much is a really small quota? I used to have a plan with only 250mb of data and that was enough if I only used wifi.

 

[ManuCH]

How much is a really small quota? I used to have a plan with only 250mb of data and that was enough if I only used wifi.

In my country major operators stopped selling subscriptions with 250 MB around 8 years ago... but even that was enough for some WhatsApp.

 

[lm2]

In my country major operators stopped selling subscriptions with 250 MB around 8 years ago... but even that was enough for some WhatsApp.

there are still people boycotting whapp or just having no android/ios compatible to have it.

my quota is 50MB. Large enough for MMS.

Wrong. I live in Switzerland and all operators turned off MMS.

Switzerland is **not** EU

In what country are you? I'm curious where it is that flat rates are not yet widely available to everyone.

In a EU country

My mother is 78 years old and has a flat rate subscription that costs the equivalent of €10/month. Anyone can afford that, in my opinion, if they want to remain connected.

I have 2 hours of calls.
unlimited SMS, MMS
50MB of internet (i never use it, im in love with wifi)
it doesnt costs me 10EUR
it costs me 2EUR. It's already an additional cost (i would dream having only a voip line in wifi only, no cell connection)

 

[ManuCH]

there are still people boycotting whapp or just having no android/ios compatible to have it.

my quota is 50MB. Large enough for MMS.


Switzerland is **not** EU



In a EU country



I have 2 hours of calls.
unlimited SMS, MMS
50MB of internet (i never use it, im in love with wifi)
it doesnt costs me 10EUR
it costs me 2EUR. It's already an additional cost (i would dream having only a voip line in wifi only, no cell connection)

I never said EU, you did.

But yes, we can agree to disagree on this one...

 

[TimFL1]

Honestly: I'd rather they phase out MMS and go all in on proper RCS in the future. There really should be no business case in keeping SMS/MMS going as the defacto world standard anymore (operators lost the war to OTT messengers pretty much everywhere).

 

[Paddle1]

I have 2 hours of calls.
unlimited SMS, MMS
50MB of internet (i never use it, im in love with wifi)
it doesnt costs me 10EUR
it costs me 2EUR. It's already an additional cost (i would dream having only a voip line in wifi only, no cell connection)

Wow, that price is much better than what you can get around here. Here in Canada they would always charge maybe $40 (€26) minimum even just a couple years ago. My "cheap" plan I mentioned earlier was $15 (€10)