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jparker402

macrumors 6502a
Original poster
Jun 7, 2016
560
54
Bellevue, NE
I have a 14" MacBook M1 Pro and I have an iPhone 13 Mini. Both are up-to-date on their operating systems. I have have a continuing problem with my MacBook losing wifi connection. This started several years ago after I moved into an adult living apartment. Four months ago i moved into a different building by the same owners. In both locations my computer would drop off line. I gave up in the first building, but now am about to tear out hair in the new location. The building is probably twenty years old and all the wifi equipment is undoubtedly original. Management believes the problem is that some of the residents stream and use up all the band width. Moving to a different location in the building doesn't seem to help (looking for a better wifi repeater). Restarting the computer sometimes seems to help. But oddly (and I have just started checking this), none of this seems to affect my iPhone while at the same time the internet speed checker app on the computer doesn't even register a signal. I have contemplated buying my own router, but another resident who lives here with the same problem said that she did but it hasn't helped. The receptionist at the front desk suggested restarting the computer; can't tell if the is helping or not. Would love some suggestions/direction!! Thanks!!
 

Ruggy

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Jan 11, 2017
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A couple of thoughts. Is the phone in fact connecting by 4G instead of wifi?
If you have data switched on then it might actually be doing that but of course, I don't know anything about your coverage etc., but if the phone has data and wifi switched on and one fails it will switch to the other one without you knowing. If you find it is using 5g/4g then maybe you can get your own key for the mac? I think you are in America and I know data service can be very expensive for you there in some places so that may well not be an option of course.
Assuming that isn't true then it's odd that the computer doesn't get a signal while the phone does- which if I understand works ok? Well, you could try an external antenna for the Mac. I would think the one in the Mac is fine but it can help by being able to raise it higher or change its position and they aren't expensive.
Wifi reception is very position specific and things like walls obviously make a big difference but so do windows, mirrors, interference from other devices particularly microwave ovens, having the machine in a cupboard or closet.. The construction of the building has a huge influence and if it's modern and has rebar in the walls it's a natural Faraday cage and can be a nightmare for Wifi.
I doubt that getting another router will help you. I presume you are connecting directly to a repeater or router from the building? Adding your own router has it's own problems with bridging etc. If it has a good antenna then it may well get better reception but so will an external antenna for the mac with less conflict problems.
Another area to look at is the channel your machine is using to connect. If you have other people around you using the same service and a neighbour is using the same channel then you will have interference . Losing connection is usually interference. But also some channels simply work better in some buildings. I'm really rusty on this I'm afraid but you can change the channel and then see if the signal is stronger and if there is more or less noise.
(hold the option key and click on your wifi icon in the bar and it'll give you an advanced menu which will tell you what your bandwidth is, channel and if it's 2.4 o 5Ghz, noise etc.) There may well be an app that will help with this but I'm rusty as I say. 5ghz may work faster but tends to not penetrate walls so well. Your mac should do this for you of course but maybe you can help it.
If you want to check internet speed independently the best is fast.com.
It also sounds like the building has an inadequate service. Saying it doesn't work because people are using it isn't good enough. Maybe it's all very old and only uses very old protocols? You need more info to confront them with and it sounds like they need to upgrade their service.
I don't think anyone will be able to give you a complete solution but hopefully it's given you something which might help and very good luck
 

Fishrrman

macrumors Penryn
Feb 20, 2009
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jparker -

Are you in a building where everyone shares wifi from a single source?
or...
Can you get "your own" internet feed installed into your apartment?
 

jparker402

macrumors 6502a
Original poster
Jun 7, 2016
560
54
Bellevue, NE
A couple of thoughts. Is the phone in fact connecting by 4G instead of wifi?
If you have data switched on then it might actually be doing that but of course, I don't know anything about your coverage etc., but if the phone has data and wifi switched on and one fails it will switch to the other one without you knowing. If you find it is using 5g/4g then maybe you can get your own key for the mac? I think you are in America and I know data service can be very expensive for you there in some places so that may well not be an option of course.
Assuming that isn't true then it's odd that the computer doesn't get a signal while the phone does- which if I understand works ok? Well, you could try an external antenna for the Mac. I would think the one in the Mac is fine but it can help by being able to raise it higher or change its position and they aren't expensive.
Wifi reception is very position specific and things like walls obviously make a big difference but so do windows, mirrors, interference from other devices particularly microwave ovens, having the machine in a cupboard or closet.. The construction of the building has a huge influence and if it's modern and has rebar in the walls it's a natural Faraday cage and can be a nightmare for Wifi.
I doubt that getting another router will help you. I presume you are connecting directly to a repeater or router from the building? Adding your own router has it's own problems with bridging etc. If it has a good antenna then it may well get better reception but so will an external antenna for the mac with less conflict problems.
Another area to look at is the channel your machine is using to connect. If you have other people around you using the same service and a neighbour is using the same channel then you will have interference . Losing connection is usually interference. But also some channels simply work better in some buildings. I'm really rusty on this I'm afraid but you can change the channel and then see if the signal is stronger and if there is more or less noise.
(hold the option key and click on your wifi icon in the bar and it'll give you an advanced menu which will tell you what your bandwidth is, channel and if it's 2.4 o 5Ghz, noise etc.) There may well be an app that will help with this but I'm rusty as I say. 5ghz may work faster but tends to not penetrate walls so well. Your mac should do this for you of course but maybe you can help it.
If you want to check internet speed independently the best is fast.com.
It also sounds like the building has an inadequate service. Saying it doesn't work because people are using it isn't good enough. Maybe it's all very old and only uses very old protocols? You need more info to confront them with and it sounds like they need to upgrade their service.
I don't think anyone will be able to give you a complete solution but hopefully it's given you something which might help and very good luck
Sorry to be slow but just now found your response. The request to MacRumors for email notification must not have worked. I see from your comments that I have a lot to learn. I have no idea of the relationships of 4G/5G to wifi, and no idea what I have. Did just my iPhone settings on reading this to find that my iPhone wifi was turned off! Don't know how that happened and have no idea how my phone was connecting! I am going to have to find a way to get educated! Thank for pointing this out to me.
 

jparker402

macrumors 6502a
Original poster
Jun 7, 2016
560
54
Bellevue, NE
jparker -

Are you in a building where everyone shares wifi from a single source?
or...
Can you get "your own" internet feed installed into your apartment?
I am told that there are "repeaters" in the hall that are suppose to relay the wifi signal throughout the building. I spoke with a lady who says she got her own feed (a router I am guessing) through our cable provider, but that it did not have much effect. Being on fixed incomes, she doesn't think it will be worth it. And being old, retired and pretty much stuck, I do have the time to wait it out, I guess!
 

Fishrrman

macrumors Penryn
Feb 20, 2009
29,242
13,315
OP wrote:
"I am told that there are "repeaters" in the hall that are suppose to relay the wifi signal throughout the building."

Then I will guess that just about everyone is running "through a single source", and sharing it at the same time.

This can make things SLOW.

I reckon you'll either have to put up with the existing "shared" network, or investigate the possibility of getting your own service installed by an ISP there, IF it can be done. Some places might not allow that, or it may be difficult or impossible from "an installer's viewpoint".

Whether or not doing that is worth it, is up to you...
 
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