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jennyp

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Wondering how a new 16" 'M' MacBook Pro (maxed if I can) will compare to my late 2015 retina iMac (4 GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i7, 32GB 1867 MHz DDR3 RAM, 4GB MD Radeon R9 M395X). Photo & video editing. Surely would way outclass that iMac?

Fed up syncing between that iMac and my existing 2015 MacBook Pro. So, idea of using new 16" 'M' MacBook Pro as sole Mac, with external display to keep 27-inch iMac experience. But is it actually OK to run any MacBook Pro for long periods through an external display (mostly always plugged-in, battery health, CPU, heat, etc)? Do people generally find that a good experience?
 
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jennyp

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It's a great way to work. And the new 16 will blow the doors off your iMac.

Well I guess that about wraps it up for my decision! No caveats about long periods plugged in to external display in clam shell mode (which as I understand it is a fancy way of saying "with the lid closed") ?
 
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jennyp

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id save some money and buy a new iMac! and a MacBook Air! the new 16" will cost more than both of them combined

Hmm.. that's a consideration, to be sure. But I just want one Mac (fed up with that 'syncing feeling'), so it would have to be at least as powerful as my old iMac, and of course preferably much more.
 
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UltimateSyn

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Hmm.. that's a consideration, to be sure. But I just want one Mac (fed up with that 'syncing feeling'), so it would have to be at least as powerful as my old iMac, and of course preferably much more.
Yeah, I’d recommend going the MBP 16 + monitor route. The new MBPs are going to be insane. Hopefully we only have to wait another nine days to see them.
 

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Hmm.. that's a consideration, to be sure. But I just want one Mac (fed up with that 'syncing feeling'), so it would have to be at least as powerful as my old iMac, and of course preferably much more.
the new iMac will run circles around your old one!
 

dukebound85

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It's a great way to work. And the new 16 will blow the doors off your iMac.
"blow the doors off" is subjective in real use cases. From a benchmark aspect, of course, but for things like browsing the web, music listening, etc, hardly

depends what the OP is doing. For many mundane tasks, the benefit will not be mind-blowing
 

jennyp

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Hope it's OK to resurrect this thread, but on the point of getting a new 16-inch MacBook Pro and using it with an external display, I'm still unsure about the possible danger of having it plugged-in to the mains for extended periods of time (which it has to be to use an external display—if I have that right?). Leaving it plugged-in for long periods is what made the battery on my old MBP swell up, which meant half the machine needed replacing. I also see reports here of problems with overheating with MacBook Pros being used while connected to external displays. How do people mitigate these potential issues?

Also unsure about how to go about choosing a good match between the resolution of the new MacBook Pro and the resolution of the external display - rules of thumb, maybe?
 

pshufd

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I have a 2015 MacBook Pro 15 (2.5 Ghz, AMD GPU), M1 mini (16/1), Late 2014 iMac 27" i7, 32 GB RAM, M295X GPU, and an M1 PRO MacBook Pro 16 (32/1). So I have hardware that's similar to what you have and also what you are interested in. I generally use Geekbench 5 Multicore Score as a relative indicator of performance when looking at used Macs:

Late 2015 iMac 27 i7: 4,218
Mid-2015 MacBook Pro 15 2.5 Ghz: 3,493 (I'm assuming that you have a 2.5 Ghz 15 - you can adjust lower or higher for differences).
2020 M1 Mac mini: 7,401
2020 M1 MacBook Air: 7,389
2021 M1 PRO MacBook Pro 16: 12,115

So you can get a relative feel for performance.

That said, it's going to be hard to duplicate the 5k iMac monitor and the nice speakers on it and the simplicity of your desk with it. You're also able to stick 64 GB of RAM in the iMac anytime you want to which you can't do with Apple Silicon. You would have to buy it upfront. My desktop has the iMac, MacBook Pro hooked up to a 4k monitor, the Mac mini hooked up to a 4k monitor and a Windows desktop and they are all tied together by Synergy KM so I can use the four systems seamlessly as one. I don't have any problems syncing them up as I use iCloud and a NAS. It can take a little effort but you can get Macs to work cooperatively.

I have had my MacBook Pros plugged in all the time for years (2014 MacBook Pro 15, 2015 MacBook Pro 15, 2008 MacBook Pro 17). I leave the 2021 MacBook Pro plugged in about half the time. What the 2021 models do, if it's plugged in all the time, is to only charge the battery to 80% and then it leaves it there. I assume that this increases battery life and decreases the odds of bulging battery.

You might take a look at a USB-C monitor. I have a Dell U2720Q Ultrasharp 27 inch 4k USB-C monitor. You connect one cable from the monitor to the laptop and the monitor provides 90 watts of power to the laptop, sends the display signal from the laptop to the monitor and connects to the port hub in the monitor. The port hub has one USB-C port and three USB-A ports. So you could connect the keyboard, mouse and iPhone dock to the monitor and the would be connected to your laptop when you plug in the USB-C cable.

The MacBook Pro internal display will provide you with five default resolutions. It will do the same on the external display. So you can pick the choices that are closest together. I would recommend going with either QHD or 4k if your monitor size is 27 inches.
 

Christopher Kim

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Leaving it plugged-in for long periods is what made the battery on my old MBP swell up, which meant half the machine needed replacing. I also see reports here of problems with overheating with MacBook Pros being used while connected to external displays. How do people mitigate these potential issues?
A lot of the stories you've read about MBP batteries swelling up / degrading health prematurely when plugged in constantly (especially when compared to much fewer battery cycles being used) was starting from the late-2016 MBP re-model (where they introduced the Touch Bar).

About a year ago (I think), Apple added Battery Management Software to macOS Catalina where it would try to learn from your charging routine and pause your battery charging at 80% and not finish charging until you fully needed it.


There are also programs like Al Dente that are popular, where you can set a max % manually.

I've used both my previous 2016 13" MBP and current 2021 14" MBP for long stretches in closed clamshell mode into an external monitor (specially during the pandemic when I went full time work-from-home for ~1.5yrs). What I would do to try and be careful was at end of work day, put MBP to sleep, and then unplug. Next morning, I'd plug back in (so avoids being plugged in overnight). I'd also use it on battery "like a laptop" in bed or on couch during weekends (and evenings).

While it still remains to be seen how these new M1 Pro/Max batteries will be when plugged in (who knows, maybe they switched battery suppliers that are hardier when being plugged in for extended periods of time?), I think it's reasonable to assume that if you take some precautions (ie. don't leave plugged in 24/7, and use on battery "like a laptop" some of the time), you should be fine.

Also unsure about how to go about choosing a good match between the resolution of the new MacBook Pro and the resolution of the external display - rules of thumb, maybe?
The internal resolution of the MBP doesn't really matter when choosing an external display. Just get whatever external display size works for your desk setup and budget, and your MBP will be able to display the appropriate resolutions.

As @pshufd mentioned, I think a great bang-for-buck is a 27" 4K monitor, which can be had pretty cheaply these days. At 27", running the monitor at "Looks like 2560 x 1440" will make for a pretty good size for text, icons, etc. And getting a 4K monitor will allow you to use macOS's "HiDPI" scaling feature. What it will do is pixel-double the "Looks like 2560 x 1440" to be like 5120 x 2880 (5K). It will then downscale that to the 3840 x 2160 4K resolution of your monitor. This looks better than if you just got a 27" 2560 x 1440 (QHD) monitor and outputted at the native 2560 x 1440. The only small downside is that your GPU has to work a bit harder because it's doing non-integer scaling, but unless you're doing something intensely graphical, you should notice zero issues (especially if you get one of the new 14/16" M1 Pro/Max MBPs).

I've used this exact setup for years (with a 5+ yr old 27" 4K LG UD-68 monitor), and love it.
 

adamjackson

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Wondering how a new 16" 'M' MacBook Pro (maxed if I can) will compare to my late 2015 retina iMac (4 GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i7, 32GB 1867 MHz DDR3 RAM, 4GB MD Radeon R9 M395X). Photo & video editing. Surely would way outclass that iMac?

Fed up syncing between that iMac and my existing 2015 MacBook Pro. So, idea of using new 16" 'M' MacBook Pro as sole Mac, with external display to keep 27-inch iMac experience. But is it actually OK to run any MacBook Pro for long periods through an external display (mostly always plugged-in, battery health, CPU, heat, etc)? Do people generally find that a good experience?

Absolutely.

My maxed out M1 Max MBP replaced:
Core i9 2020 iMac 27" with Vega 48
Core i9 2018 MacBook Pro 15" with NVIDIA 5600 I think

I was using one at home, one for travel. I sold both and they covered the full price of my new MacBook Pro. This machine is faster than both of them at nearly everything. My iMac was a little bit faster at Final Cut Pro with transcoding / exporting HEVC files but I'm not doing Final Cut Pro work professionally so it doesn't matter. A base 16" MBP with M1Pro will smoke your 2015 iMac hands down.
 
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