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Will we finally see New Mac Pro's 24th of April?

James_C

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The UK Apple store is now showing a 3 day lead time for Mac Pro's and today the BBC has published a story that Intel have finally launched the New Desktop Ivy Bridge chips, all indicators point to an imminent launch of new Mac Pro's tomorrow.

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Mac Mac Pro's have been overdue for sometime now. The last refresh was in July 2010. I believe that Apple have been waiting for Intels new chips, and that is the reason for the delay, so hopefully we will see new Mac Pro's tomorrow.

BBC News article http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17785464

Edit : My mistake I got my chipsets mixed up, it is expected that the new Mac Pro will take the Sandy Bridge chips instead, not Ivy Bridge. I knew there was a delay with production of the new Xeon chips.
 
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James Craner said:
The UK Apple store is now showing a 3 day lead time for Mac Pro's and today the BBC has published a story that Intel have finally launched the New Desktop Ivy Bridge chips, all indicators point to an imminent launch of new Mac Pro's tomorrow.

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Mac Mac Pro's have been overdue for sometime now. The last refresh was in July 2010. I believe that Apple have been waiting for Intels new chips, and that is the reason for the delay, so hopefully we will see new Mac Pro's tomorrow.

BBC News article http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17785464
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Ivy Bridge is not bound for the Mac Pro. The Intel Xeon class server chips will be used in new Mac Pros. They were released about a month ago. This means nothing.
 
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Ah ok, I thought that the Chips for the Mac Pro had been announced but for some reason had hit a delay in shipping. Clearly I got confused. Well, hopefully the constraints in the supply chain indicate a update soon.
 
James Craner said:
Ah ok, I thought that the Chips for the Mac Pro had been announced but for some reason had hit a delay in shipping. Clearly I got confused. Well, hopefully the constraints in the supply chain indicate a update soon.
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Delivery dates seem to be unchanged on the U.S. store.
 
voyagerd said:
Yeah.. the Mac Pros are going to be update with Sandy Bridge, not Ivy Bridge.
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Will someone please learn me on why Ivy is not possible yet for MacPros? For some reason I assumed the current MP Xeons were Sandy Bridge already...

If new iMacs are released tomorrow with Ivy Bridge how would they compare performance-wise towards the less advanced but more powerful MacPro's (current model and a possible Sandy Bridge update)?

I want to buy something ASAP. I am a videographer who needs power but I make my living shooting and not editing, so a full blown Mac Pro editing station isn't essential. Mostly I like the form factor with Mac Pro's so I can easily add hard drives and update OS drive to SSD.
 
rawdawg said:
Will someone please learn me on why Ivy is not possible yet for MacPros? For some reason I assumed the current MP Xeons were Sandy Bridge already...
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There are no Ivy Bridge Xeons!

Ivy Bridge Xeons are not expected until Q4 2012 or Q1 2012.
Intel implement the new production process (22nm in this case) on the consumer chips first, the Workstation and Server Chips get it later.

In terms of new Mac Pros versus mid-2010 performance, you can expect perhaps 20 to 40% more performance for the same price.
 
I would personally prefer a less expensive Mac Pro, with the Ivy Bridge chips, but the hard disk / memory / expansion capability of the Mac Pro Design. I am sure that Apple would sell a lot more if they switched to the Ivy Bridge design and passed the savings on.
 
rawdawg said:
Will someone please learn me on why Ivy is not possible yet for MacPros? For some reason I assumed the current MP Xeons were Sandy Bridge already...

If new iMacs are released tomorrow with Ivy Bridge how would they compare performance-wise towards the less advanced but more powerful MacPro's (current model and a possible Sandy Bridge update)?

I want to buy something ASAP. I am a videographer who needs power but I make my living shooting and not editing, so a full blown Mac Pro editing station isn't essential. Mostly I like the form factor with Mac Pro's so I can easily add hard drives and update OS drive to SSD.
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Where the current iMacs top out - 3.4GHz 4-core Sandy Bridge - the Mac Pros should start - 3.6GHz 4-core, 3.2GHz 6-core and 12 and 16-core options. They should also allow the use of 16GB and 32GB DIMMs which the iMac doesn't.

Ivy Bridge changes things a little as the architecture is faster, but not by huge amounts for most tasks. Here you can see the i7-3770 (fastest processor likely to feature in the iMac) vs. the 3820 (Core i7 version of the Xeon that replaces what is currently in the $2,499 Mac Pro).

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/551?vs=523
 
First we much teach you, then you will learn....[/QUOTE]

If you'e going to correct someones grammar, check your own. LOL
 
24Frames said:
Ivy Bridge Xeons are not expected until Q4 2012 or Q1 2012.
Intel implement the new production process (22nm in this case) on the consumer chips first, the Workstation and Server Chips get it later.

In terms of new Mac Pros versus mid-2010 performance, you can expect perhaps 20 to 40% more performance for the same price.
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Thanks. Sounds like Mac Pros still haven't caught up with Sandy Bridge technology which would be the 20-40% gain.
James Craner said:
I would personally prefer a less expensive Mac Pro, with the Ivy Bridge chips, but the hard disk / memory / expansion capability of the Mac Pro Design. I am sure that Apple would sell a lot more if they switched to the Ivy Bridge design and passed the savings on.
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As would I and I definitely agree Apple would sell a lot! Would this mean the Mac Pro wouldn't be using a Xeon but rather be basically an iMac design in a MacPro housing? I would be very fine with that.

Umbongo said:
...Here you can see the i7-3770 (fastest processor likely to feature in the iMac) vs. the 3820 (Core i7 version of the Xeon that replaces what is currently in the $2,499 Mac Pro).

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/551?vs=523
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Thanks for the link! So it appears a possible new 3.5Ghz iMac would be faster than a single chip 3.6Ghz Mac Pro?! All the more reason why I would like an cheaper redesigned MacPro with Ivy now!

paulrbeers said:
First we much teach you, then you will learn....
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...I was joking :)
 
rawdawg said:
Thanks for the link! So it appears a possible new 3.5Ghz iMac would be faster than a single chip 3.6Ghz Mac Pro?! All the more reason why I would like an cheaper redesigned MacPro with Ivy now!
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Well wouldn't be cheaper as the parts cost sort of the same.
 
James Craner said:
I would personally prefer a less expensive Mac Pro, with the Ivy Bridge chips, but the hard disk / memory / expansion capability of the Mac Pro Design. I am sure that Apple would sell a lot more if they switched to the Ivy Bridge design and passed the savings on.
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This is the type of computer I want from Apple. And the 24th is my birthday. That would make a nice present.
 
I'm sure some sort of expandable-user serviceable pro market Mac will be released by this summer.

Maybe Apple will surprise us with something insanely great! :)
 
Umbongo said:
Well wouldn't be cheaper as the parts cost sort of the same.
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Not exactly the chips quoted in the comparison are not the Sandy Bridge xeon processors. The Workstation class Sandy Bridge processors are the E5-2600 series. These 8 core chips are priced around $1100 (2.0 GHz E5-2650) to $1550 (2.6GHz E5-2670), compared to the i7 Ivy Bridge desktop chips that are in the $300 price range. So if Apple did move away from the Workstation / Server grade Xeons, then the price could be significantly reduced.
 
James Craner said:
Not exactly the chips quoted in the comparison are not the Sandy Bridge xeon processors. The Workstation class Sandy Bridge processors are the E5-2600 series. These 8 core chips are priced around $1100 (2.0 GHz E5-2650) to $1550 (2.6GHz E5-2670), compared to the i7 Ivy Bridge desktop chips that are in the $300 price range. So if Apple did move away from the Workstation / Server grade Xeons, then the price could be significantly reduced.
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Don't hold your breath. People have been clamoring for an expandable non-server Mac for approximately 4000 years.
 
James Craner said:
Not exactly the chips quoted in the comparison are not the Sandy Bridge xeon processors. The Workstation class Sandy Bridge processors are the E5-2600 series. These 8 core chips are priced around $1100 (2.0 GHz E5-2650) to $1550 (2.6GHz E5-2670), compared to the i7 Ivy Bridge desktop chips that are in the $300 price range. So if Apple did move away from the Workstation / Server grade Xeons, then the price could be significantly reduced.
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The Core i7 3820 in the comparison I used is the same as the Xeon E5-1620. The E5-1620 replaces the Xeon W3530 used in the current Mac Pro. All of these processor including the Core i7 3770 are $294. Moving away from Xeon processors does NOT reduce the cost in any significant way to Apple as there are Xeon versions of all single socket processors for the same sort of price, there are actually even better options as the ranges are bigger.
 
If new MacPros were coming out tomorrow, don't you think we'd have a couple leaks at least a day or two before?
 
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