Windows 7 is the cause of the nerfed iPad

[rasmasyean]

All this "disappointment" regarding the iPad stems from market forces. I think it's more a decision to make it less of a full computer (to reap certain nich advantages) because of the fact that there is little hope for a true Mac Tablet to compete with Windows 7 tablets.

Think about it, Apple still wants to make money. Why not fill more of an "ultra mobile gadget" need rather than risk being clobbered by highly anticipated Windows 7 super machines (where the business market is a key market here).

That being said, will there ever be a Mac Tablet? Maybe, but Apple prolly decided that it would be more feasilble to concentrate resources on a long battery simple gadget for now because of Windows 7.

 

[MacDawg]

Umm, no

Woof, Woof - Dawg

 

[jontucker]

I don't think you realise that it's the app store that has lead Apple in to designing the iPad the way it is, nothing else. If they hadn't come up with the app store a few years ago I doubt there would be an Apple tablet at all, at least not for a while.

 

[rasmasyean]

I don't think you realise that it's the app store that has lead Apple in to designing the iPad the way it is, nothing else. If they hadn't come up with the app store a few years ago I doubt there would be an Apple tablet at all, at least not for a while.

So you are basically saying that the core of this iPad effort is the middleman service business. If that was the case, then why do they have to sell it for so much? Why can't they sell it for like $299 or even less to make it comparible to netbooks? Afterall, if the goal is to make as much money as possible from "apps", then wouldn't it be better to have more ppl buy the iPad...perhaps even at a small loss?

 

[Angelo95210]

I think it's because Apple never sells cheap. It's part of their core strategy. I pretty sure the iPad is there to promote the Apple Store even more as well.

 

[r0k]

I don't think you realise that it's the app store that has lead Apple in to designing the iPad the way it is, nothing else. If they hadn't come up with the app store a few years ago I doubt there would be an Apple tablet at all, at least not for a while.

That's an excellent point, jontucker. I've been saying all along that the iPad is mainly just another conduit for Apple to make money from content. I had focused on ebooks and movies but you are right that a major source of income from the iPad will be the app store. This is really new territory for Apple. Until now, any device limited to software from the app store has sold for $199 or less with contract and as low as $229 (for the iPod touch). Soon, Apple will have a captive audience in iPad owners who have shelled out $500 to $829 for a device that can only get its content ultimately from one place: Apple. Whether it's iTunes, iBookstore or the app store, Apple gets a slice of every bit of revenue generated by iPad content.

OTOH, I disagree with those that say we will never get a Mac tablet. Once iPad is selling well (at a several million a year pace), we will see a more expensive OS X based tablet emerge. However, if iPad sales struggle, I doubt Apple will rush to offer an OS X tablet before they have succeeded in generating an established revenue stream for iPad content. They've got money to ride out a bumpy introduction in order to establish the very lucrative "all iPad content shall come from Apple" business model.

 

[poseidon84]

Look up the modbook if you need a mactablet. No need for apple to make one when others already have

And iPad will (in my opinion) kick ass because it has the basic functions that most people need and it does it easily.
But I guess the people that wants to be cool and hardcore will continue to count on specs instead of functionality.

 

[MacDawg]

All of the disappointment you are talking about comes from the rumors and expectations that people ascribed to a non-existent machine

Apple went a different direction, and as Steve said (paraphrasing Henry Ford), they didn't build a faster horse, they created something new

The iPad is not targeted to be a smaller, sleeker, faster "laptop"
If you want a laptop, "there's a Mac for that"

It is not meant to be a laptop or desktop replacement

This is neither an iPhone nor a MBP
It is a different mobile computing experience that will continue to evolve and change the way we compute

I will never buy one of your so-called Windows 7 super machines
In the end, it runs Windows, and I am just not interested

People are trying to make the iPad fit their model and it is like making a square peg fit a round hole

When people say "it will fail", they really mean "I won't buy one"
Fine, plenty of others will, including me

Woof, Woof - Dawg

 

[flopticalcube]

As good a full OS as W7 is, and I thinks its a great OS, it not a touch screen OS.

 

[lordhamster]

All this "disappointment" regarding the iPad stems from market forces. I think it's more a decision to make it less of a full computer (to reap certain nich advantages) because of the fact that there is little hope for a true Mac Tablet to compete with Windows 7 tablets.

Think about it, Apple still wants to make money. Why not fill more of an "ultra mobile gadget" need rather than risk being clobbered by highly anticipated Windows 7 super machines (where the business market is a key market here).

That being said, will there ever be a Mac Tablet? Maybe, but Apple prolly decided that it would be more feasilble to concentrate resources on a long battery simple gadget for now because of Windows 7.

All you people are way too focused on the client being the workhorse. The future of computing in the cloud. Check out iPad SDK already "running" Windows 7 via a remote Citrix Session.

From: http://gizmodo.com/5461810/windows-7-running-on-the-apple-ipad-via-citrix

 

[Chupa Chupa]

The "disappointment" comes from two camps, neither of which are demographic targets of the iPad. These dissenting groups being Xtreme Geeks and Apple H8TRS. Their complaints are easily dismissed -- like a 911 aficionado bitching about the Boxster with auto trans.

Most sensible gadget hounds either "get" the device or at least see it's potential once iPad specific apps ship regardless of whether they personally want one. Windows 7 doesn't even enter into the equation, and if it did you'd have to blame OS X because Win 7 is clearly an OS X wannabe.

 

[lordhamster]

The "disappointment" comes from two camps, neither of which are demographic targets of the iPad. These dissenting groups being Xtreme Geeks and Apple H8TRS. Their complaints are easily dismissed -- like a 911 aficionado bitching about the Boxster with auto trans.

Most sensible gadget hounds either "get" the device or at least see it's potential once iPad specific apps ship regardless of whether they personally want one. Windows 7 doesn't even enter into the equation, and if it did you'd have to blame OS X because Win 7 is clearly an OS X wannabe.

I was with you right until you condoned the Boxster. IMO when you walk into a Porsche dealership there should be only one question asked "Which Color."

The Boxster is an abomination.

 

[marksman]

This is a funny thread OP.

 

[Chupa Chupa]

I was with you right until you condoned the Boxster. IMO when you walk into a Porsche dealership there should be only one question asked "Which Color."

The Boxster is an abomination.

I'm neither condoning nor condemning the Boxster. It serves a demographic. Personally I'll take a M3.

 

[marksman]

All you people are way too focused on the client being the workhorse. The future of computing in the cloud. Check out iPad SDK already "running" Windows 7 via a remote Citrix Session.

From: http://gizmodo.com/5461810/windows-7-running-on-the-apple-ipad-via-citrix

Yeah you still don't understand the idea of the actual underlying OS has to be designed to work with a multi-touch UI.

 

[lordhamster]

Yeah you still don't understand the idea of the actual underlying OS has to be designed to work with a multi-touch UI.

I'm the biggest fan of the simplified OS out there. The point is, all the whiners out there griping about all the things missing from the Tablet are clearly too short-sighted to realize that most of the problems are solved by things like the Citrix app.

BTW. the reason that Tablet computing has never caught on was because of people trying to cram a full desktop operating system onto a tablet... which simply makes no sense. The simplified multi-touch centric OS of the iPad is a requirement for success.

 

[jontucker]

So you are basically saying that the core of this iPad effort is the middleman service business. If that was the case, then why do they have to sell it for so much? Why can't they sell it for like $299 or even less to make it comparible to netbooks? Afterall, if the goal is to make as much money as possible from "apps", then wouldn't it be better to have more ppl buy the iPad...perhaps even at a small loss?

Think of the image that a company like, say Acer has compared to the image that Apple have. THAT's why they can't sell it too cheap, it will devalue their whole product lineup.

I'm sure a small part of it is that these devices aren't all that cheap to produce. The iPhone was similar money to begin with before they became subsidised by the carriers.

I know there are plenty of people complaining about the iPad but it makes perfect sense to me, both from Apple's point of view and from the target markets point of view. I've posted in many threads about how people are being extremely short sighted about the whole thing. Lordhamsters post is a great example of what is going to be possible with the iPad. It's in the hands of the developers now and they've done some pretty amazing things with the iPhone. The iWork demo in the keynote should have been enough to open the eyes of most people but they were too busy waiting for SJ to tell them that it has a camera.

 

[rasmasyean]

Think of the image that a company like, say Acer has compared to the image that Apple have. THAT's why they can't sell it too cheap, it will devalue their whole product lineup.

I'm sure a small part of it is that these devices aren't all that cheap to produce. The iPhone was similar money to begin with before they became subsidised by the carriers.

I know there are plenty of people complaining about the iPad but it makes perfect sense to me, both from Apple's point of view and from the target markets point of view. I've posted in many threads about how people are being extremely short sighted about the whole thing. Lordhamsters post is a great example of what is going to be possible with the iPad. It's in the hands of the developers now and they've done some pretty amazing things with the iPhone. The iWork demo in the keynote should have been enough to open the eyes of most people but they were too busy waiting for SJ to tell them that it has a camera.

Acer has come a long way from that "cheap CD-ROM company" though. They are consistently one of the top 3 computer sellers.

And it's not true that the iPhone is "expensive" compared to "equivalents" on a per unit basis. The AT&T service and cost of ownership is expensive sure, but if you were to buy some of the HTC unlocked phones when they first came out, you're talking about dropping $750 to $900 in some cases. And these ran Windows Mobile. Even after contracts, some of these high end units were still $300 - $400.

 

[ucfgrad93]

I don't think you realise that it's the app store that has lead Apple in to designing the iPad the way it is, nothing else. If they hadn't come up with the app store a few years ago I doubt there would be an Apple tablet at all, at least not for a while.

Bingo, we have a winner. I agree that the iPad was developed to get people to buy more content from Apple.

 

[Ka Ora!]

All you people are way too focused on the client being the workhorse. The future of computing in the cloud. Check out iPad SDK already "running" Windows 7 via a remote Citrix Session.

From: http://gizmodo.com/5461810/windows-7-running-on-the-apple-ipad-via-citrix

Indeed, Its going to offer quite a good solution as you could set up a nice Multi boot Citrix system for the home, All dished out from the Mini. What also nice is I noticed the there is a project to make Google Sketchup support Multi Touch which makes it hands on.

 

[lordhamster]

Bingo, we have a winner. I agree that the iPad was developed to get people to buy more content from Apple.

Probably true, but I for one prefer the App Store to traditional methods of buying software.

 

[jontucker]

Acer has come a long way from that "cheap CD-ROM company" though. They are consistently one of the top 3 computer sellers.

And it's not true that the iPhone is "expensive" compared to "equivalents" on a per unit basis. The AT&T service and cost of ownership is expensive sure, but if you were to buy some of the HTC unlocked phones when they first came out, you're talking about dropping $750 to $900 in some cases. And these ran Windows Mobile. Even after contracts, some of these high end units were still $300 - $400.

Ok, Acer was just an example but you get my point. Apples image is one of high quality, high priced products and a cheap device would detract from that. Even if the iPad (and iPhone/iPod Touch) are cheap(ish) for them to produce, they would still want to sell it at a premium.

Bingo, we have a winner. I agree that the iPad was developed to get people to buy more content from Apple.

 

[ucfgrad93]

Probably true, but I for one prefer the App Store to traditional methods of buying software.

I'm not complaining either. I think the app store is a great success.

 

[Scooterman1]

What amazes me is...... I have a Compaq Tablet TC1000 that has a 1 ghz processor and I bought it a few years back. It has a Touchscreen (use a pen, not fingers), has 512mb memory (will take 768MB), Running Windows XP Tablet PC, runs ALL of Windows Apps, I have the keyboard, The Tablet separates from the keyboard and is about 1/2 inch thick. It is GREAT because it runs full blown apps and has a Hard Drive of 30GB in it as it came. Here are some of the specs:
AC Power Connector, USB Connector, External Monitor Connector, PC Card Slot, RJ-45 Network Jack, Keyboard Connector, RJ-11 Telephone Jack, Antenna (not visible from outside of tablet PC), External Multibay Connector

What's New

• Microsoft® Windows® XP Tablet PC Edition
• Tablet PC form factor with pen and keyboard support
• Innovative mobile keyboard
• Innovative docking station

At A Glance

• Weighs 3.0 lb (1.36 kg)
• Less than 1 in/ thin
• 10.4-inch XGA TFT display
• Microsoft Windows XP Tablet PC Edition
• 256-MB SDRAM upgradeable to 768 MB
• 30-GB User removable hard drive
• Integrated mini PCI 56K V.90 modem plus 10/100 NIC
• Internal Wireless LAN

What's Special

• Use either pen or mobile keyboard
• Ultra-light weight – 3.0 lb (1.36 kg)
• Innovative keyboard attachment
• Docking with or without keyboard
• Easy transitions with multi-monitor docking profiles
• Magnesium alloy case

I admit, the App store is great, but when you want to have something better than TOY Apps, well, I already have it. And it's years old technology. I think the upcoming HP Slate is going to leave Apple in the dust on this one. I would like something that runs full Apps for Apple's price.

Just my opinion.

 

[lordhamster]

What amazes me is...... I have a Compaq Tablet TC1000 that has a 1 ghz processor and I bought it a few years back.

but when you want to have something better than TOY Apps, well, I already have it. And it's years old technology.

I would like something that runs full Apps for Apple's price.

Just my opinion.

The problem with the HP Tablet is they simply crammed a desktop OS into a Tablet form factor and added one or two whiz-bang programs to work with the stylus. This why Tablet PCs simply haven't caught on.

What I want is the ability to whip out the device, click it on, check an email or look up some fact in wikipedia all instantly. On the tablet PC I need to wait for 40 seconds or more till it loads, runs anti-virus blah blah blah.

I'm not planning on editing auto-cad drawings on my couch, or coding Java applications or editing my photo collection with Photoshop. The Tablet form factor simply does not lend itself well to FULL blown tasks... thus there is no demand and thus little popularity for Tablet PCs.

That said,
You are assuming all iTablet APPS must be trivial. Why? I'd say the Navigon App is a fairly sophisticated piece of software... why assume developers won't rise to the occasion?