Windows 8 on ARM delayed

[Eidorian]

http://www.brightsideofnews.com/new...uarter-20122c-arm-in-second-quarter-2013.aspx

The news front has been rather mum from MWC 2012. The interesting side is that the Customer Preview gets extended out for 180-365 days for anyone on x86. I seriously hope Intel and AMD can step up to deliver something a lot better than what they have been shipping. Brazos stomps on Atom but AMD has not targeted envelopes below 9W until Densa this year. Intel has the advantage of 32nm and finally dragging prices on the Z Series Atoms.

AMD does not venture into 28nm APUs until 2013.

 

[Peace]

That's a bummer. I was hoping there would be a hack for the HP Touchpad. I don't want to wait a year for that !!

 

[Eidorian]

Maybe x86 companies got a reprieve to get their butts in gear? I get the inkling it might be a marketing issue but we know how that went recently...

I know I am excited to see Ivy Bridge and Windows 8 out this year.

 

[maflynn]

MS' track record of meeting deadlines is not the best and continued delays of the ARM version is only going to hurt any effort to establish windows as a viable tablet platform.

They really have nothing out there and now its going to be another year and half?

 

[*LTD*]

Does this really surprise anyone?

The future of computing being handed to Apple on a silver platter.

 

[Brad9893]

Does this really surprise anyone?

The future of computing being handed to Apple on a silver platter.

How does Microsoft missing a deadline mean that the future of computing is being handed to Apple on a silver platter? Apple misses deadlines too, you know. It's better for them to postpone it than to ship a substandard product.

 

[*LTD*]

How does Microsoft missing a deadline mean that the future of computing is being handed to Apple on a silver platter? Apple misses deadlines too, you know. It's better for them to postpone it than to ship a substandard product.

This isn't 10 years ago. The market dynamics are totally different, especially with a dominant, predatory Apple playing in it. Everything moves much faster. No one can afford to miss critical deadlines.

 

[Eidorian]

Another few repost hiccups from today point back to a Verge article on the 23rd about Touch Mode in Office 15.

http://www.theverge.com/2012/2/23/2818637/office-15-technical-preview-screenshots#3040162

 

[KnightWRX]

I don't get why everyone is so excited about Windows 8 on ARM. It's just going to be an iPad like experience, with none of the advantages of actually running a full Windows desktop, on low priced tablet hardware with touch screens.

It's not like suddenly, you're going to have ARM desktops/laptops, running a full desktop OS with a very low power enveloppe.

What's so great about Windows 8 on ARM above Android/iOS and other projects we already have ?

I'd be more excited about vendors announcing ARM laptop/desktop hardware so we can run ARM Linux distributions that do provide a full-on desktop experience. You can be sure I'd jump on a 11-13" ultrabook with an ARM processor to run Arch Linux or Slackware.

 

[boss.king]

I don't get why everyone is so excited about Windows 8 on ARM. It's just going to be an iPad like experience, with none of the advantages of actually running a full Windows desktop, on low priced tablet hardware with touch screens.

It's not like suddenly, you're going to have ARM desktops/laptops, running a full desktop OS with a very low power enveloppe.

What's so great about Windows 8 on ARM above Android/iOS and other projects we already have ?

I'd be more excited about vendors announcing ARM laptop/desktop hardware so we can run ARM Linux distributions that do provide a full-on desktop experience. You can be sure I'd jump on a 11-13" ultrabook with an ARM processor to run Arch Linux or Slackware.

Exactly. Windows 8 on ARM is the runt of the litter. The full OS experience is where it's at, it's a major selling point of Windows 8 to not have to make the massive sacrifices that iPad users have had to make in terms of functionality. Forget ARM, go for the full desktop experience.

 

[KnightWRX]

Exactly. Windows 8 on ARM is the runt of the litter. The full OS experience is where it's at, it's a major selling point of Windows 8 to not have to make the massive sacrifices that iPad users have had to make in terms of functionality. Forget ARM, go for the full desktop experience.

Thinking about it a bit more it seems to me it's the exoticness that is the draw here, the "not x86!". The 90s had many vendors and many different architectures, where if you were "different", part of the "elite", you had a SPARC or PA-RISC or MIPS or PowerPC or Alpha "workstation", something Intel and Microsoft managed to eliminate with the combo of the P6 architecture (starting with Pentium Pros) and the NT operating system (bringing a full-on native 32 bit environnement rather than the watered "Boot to 16 bit DOS 7.0 then start win.com transparently to load a 32 bit environnement over it" experience of the consumer Windows line-up).

Basically, everyone's individuality was removed and made to fit in the same standard mold that was Wintel.

I think some of the draw to ARM comes from that, people thinking it's a return of the underground, the elite movements where you can be different in your choice of hardware. Whereas in the 90s, if you were at all in 3D, you were running IRIX on SGI hardware, if you were into scientific computing you were running Tru64 on Alpha. If you were a "creative" in the publishing industry or marketing, you were on Mac OS on Power PC.

Then there was the whole underground crowd of geeks using these machines and running all sorts of Linux or BSD distributions on them, for the sheer geekness of it, as their everyday computer. GCC worked, the different scripting environnements did and so did X and that was good enough for them (I was a more tame member of that crowd, opting for x86 hardware to run my Linux desktop in the 90s after going "Windows free").

In the end, it was all silly. Intel hardware and the commodity industry built around it could trump all of those platforms in performance and price, and give you the same result in the end (who the hell could afford a SGI MIPS workstation aside from older models being liquidated by 3D design shops that had moved on ?)

ARM brings back the exoticness of it all. It's a chance for people to say "Check out my ARM laptop you x86 sheep". Which brings us back to Windows 8 on ARM : Uh ? How is running the OS with the biggest marketshare out there in any way a return to those days at all ?

 

[roadbloc]

I guess its best for them to get it right before they release it. I'm looking forward to Windows 8.

 

[Eidorian]

Thinking about it a bit more it seems to me it's the exoticness that is the draw here, the "not x86!". The 90s had many vendors and many different architectures, where if you were "different", part of the "elite", you had a SPARC or PA-RISC or MIPS or PowerPC or Alpha "workstation", something Intel and Microsoft managed to eliminate with the combo of the P6 architecture (starting with Pentium Pros) and the NT operating system (bringing a full-on native 32 bit environnement rather than the watered "Boot to 16 bit DOS 7.0 then start win.com transparently to load a 32 bit environnement over it" experience of the consumer Windows line-up).

Basically, everyone's individuality was removed and made to fit in the same standard mold that was Wintel.

I think some of the draw to ARM comes from that, people thinking it's a return of the underground, the elite movements where you can be different in your choice of hardware. Whereas in the 90s, if you were at all in 3D, you were running IRIX on SGI hardware, if you were into scientific computing you were running Tru64 on Alpha. If you were a "creative" in the publishing industry or marketing, you were on Mac OS on Power PC.

Then there was the whole underground crowd of geeks using these machines and running all sorts of Linux or BSD distributions on them, for the sheer geekness of it, as their everyday computer. GCC worked, the different scripting environnements did and so did X and that was good enough for them (I was a more tame member of that crowd, opting for x86 hardware to run my Linux desktop in the 90s after going "Windows free").

In the end, it was all silly. Intel hardware and the commodity industry built around it could trump all of those platforms in performance and price, and give you the same result in the end (who the hell could afford a SGI MIPS workstation aside from older models being liquidated by 3D design shops that had moved on ?)

ARM brings back the exoticness of it all. It's a chance for people to say "Check out my ARM laptop you x86 sheep". Which brings us back to Windows 8 on ARM : Uh ? How is running the OS with the biggest marketshare out there in any way a return to those days at all ?

The exoticness does have a certain allure to it. I can understand how many in the "geek" realm are going nuts over the Raspberry Pi, underwhelming as it is.

On the other hand x86 has not had a relatively good showing in the slate form factor. Convertible tablets are another story but not as popular or budget friendly.