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Wireless N?

Ironduke

Ironduke

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anyone else finding this not really any quicker then 54g?

my dlink 636 router has my new blackbook down as connected at 130mbps compared to 54mbps on my old mac mini.

I cant really see any speed difference, I have even just set my router to N mode and connected only the Blackbook, either way I only get 2-3MBytes uploading and downloading from my ethernet NAS:(
 
Ironduke said:
anyone else finding this not really any quicker then 54g?

my dlink 636 router has my new blackbook down as connected at 130mbps compared to 54mbps on my old mac mini.

I cant really see any speed difference, I have even just set my router to N mode and connected only the Blackbook, either way I only get 2-3MBytes uploading and downloading from my ethernet NAS:(
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802.11b is typically faster than the DL/UL speeds you're paying for from your Cable or DSL provider. To take advantage of N, you would need to be streaming HD videos or something like that.
 
yeah, typical internet speeds are less than 54 mbits. You wont notice anything unless you walk farther away, where N networks have farther ranges.

I mean a really fast consumer level internet speed is like 10 mbits..that's still under 54.
 
WTF are you guys talking about ISP speeds for im talking about file transfers in my home network:D
 
are you transferring files between computers that both have n-wireless networking? if one computer has a g-card, having an n-router won't improve speeds on file transfers.
 
If you have one 'g' client on an 'n' network, the whole network is slowed down to g-speed. i think. i've read that somewhere. Maybe your router is just saying the theoretical maximum speed, rather than the actual speed its connected at.

it could be that the speed your getting from your NAS is what is slowing down the whole transfer. How fast is copying files from NAS over gigabit ethernet. And what speed is the NAS connected at ?
 
@slurpee: read the post. it is an ethernet NAS he is transferring to/from

@notsofat: read the post. there is only one computer on the network and it is N, thus is will run at N speeds.
 
dav said:
@slurpee: read the post. it is an ethernet NAS he is transferring to/from

@notsofat: read the post. there is only one computer on the network and it is N, thus is will run at N speeds.
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well spotted. In my defence, he did say the mac mini had 54mps and his macbook had 130, so i assumed both connected.
 
notsofatjames said:
well spotted. In my defence, he did say the mac mini had 54mps and his macbook had 130, so i assumed both connected.
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Also, if he's transfering files between two computers that would mean one of them is on a 100 Mbs or 1000 Mbps ethernet port? is that right?

I really wouldn't know too much, because I don't use 802.11n. But I have read a lot of reviews that praise 802.11n as being noticebly faster... so, yeah.
 
Ironduke said:
anyone else finding this not really any quicker then 54g?

my dlink 636 router has my new blackbook down as connected at 130mbps compared to 54mbps on my old mac mini.

I cant really see any speed difference, I have even just set my router to N mode and connected only the Blackbook, either way I only get 2-3MBytes uploading and downloading from my ethernet NAS:(
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I saw a huge speed difference (almost 4x faster) with my setup (MBP + 802.11n Airport Extreme set to a 5ghz 802.11n-only network) when it comes to copying files wirelessly to an ethernet connected device (in my case, a Mac mini).

FWIW, my MBP almost always shows a 300mbps connection to the Extreme, unless I'm 2-3 rooms away from it. The only time I see it drop as low as 130mbps is when I'm outside in the backyard.

Here are some benchmarks I did awhile ago for another thread.

Here are some benchmarks obtained by copying a 952MB file (last Sunday's episode of Battlestar Galatica, which I pulled from my TiVo).

Benchmarks were done using Net Monitor 4.3.9

01:27.0 @ 11.3MB/s = MBP -> CAT5 -> Extreme -> CAT5 -> mini
01:41.0 @ 09.8MB/s = MBP -> 802.11n -> Extreme -> CAT5 -> mini
06:32.0 @ 02.5MB/s = MBP -> 802.11g -> Extreme -> CAT5 -> mini
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https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/3351868/
 
aristobrat said:
I saw a huge speed difference (almost 4x faster) with my setup (MBP + 802.11n Airport Extreme set to a 5ghz 802.11n-only network) when it comes to copying files wirelessly to an ethernet connected device (in my case, a Mac mini).

FWIW, my MBP almost always shows a 300mbps connection to the Extreme, unless I'm 2-3 rooms away from it. The only time I see it drop as low as 130mbps is when I'm outside in the backyard.

Here are some benchmarks I did awhile ago for another thread.


https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/3351868/
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9MB's:eek:

Im so jealous
 
Ironduke said:
anyone else finding this not really any quicker then 54g?

my dlink 636 router has my new blackbook down as connected at 130mbps compared to 54mbps on my old mac mini.

I cant really see any speed difference, I have even just set my router to N mode and connected only the Blackbook, either way I only get 2-3MBytes uploading and downloading from my ethernet NAS:(
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It looks like the NAS might be the bottleneck. I assume it's a wired connection? Is it connected via 100Mb or 1000Mb ethernet? If 100Mb, you'll be limited to a theoretical transfer of 12MByte/s but in reality much slower (perhaps 1/3 - 1/2) so that wouldn't be too much more than what you're really seeing. But it should still be faster.

What transfer speed do you get with the MB connected directly to the router with an ethernet cable? If it's roughly the same, then it's definitely the NAS.
 
plinden said:
It looks like the NAS might be the bottleneck. I assume it's a wired connection? Is it connected via 100Mb or 1000Mb ethernet? If 100Mb, you'll be limited to a theoretical transfer of 12MByte/s but in reality much slower (perhaps 1/3 - 1/2) so that wouldn't be too much more than what you're really seeing. But it should still be faster.

What transfer speed do you get with the MB connected directly to the router with an ethernet cable? If it's roughly the same, then it's definitely the NAS.
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I agree with your troubleshooting suggestion. :)

If I can get 9MBs writing from my MBP over 802.11n to a USB-drive attached to a mini (that's ethernet connected to the network), I'd hope that his NAS could at least match that! :eek:
 
aristobrat said:
I saw a huge speed difference (almost 4x faster) with my setup (MBP + 802.11n Airport Extreme set to a 5ghz 802.11n-only network) when it comes to copying files wirelessly to an ethernet connected device (in my case, a Mac mini).
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I have a similar setup; MBP with 802.11n and the Airport Extreme set to 5ghz 802.11n only. For the most part they sit only 1m apart and I get about the same speeds as with a 10/100 cable copying to my RAID5 NAS (10/100 network only, no gigabit).

When moving from 2.4ghz to 5ghz, I noticed a huge speed increase (possibly due to our cordless phones, microwave and 802.11b/g network) but a drop in the ability for the signal to travel through walls.
 
dav said:
@slurpee: read the post. it is an ethernet NAS he is transferring to/from

@notsofat: read the post. there is only one computer on the network and it is N, thus is will run at N speeds.
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In this case, two things will dictate the connection speed:

1. The NAS' hard drive speed.
2. How close he is to the WAP (the further he is, the better, concerning wireless-N).

Also, the NAS should be directly connected to the WAP (I'm assuming this WAP also functions as a switch/router). If there are any other non-N devices connected, he should remove them. If he's got his network segmented with other switches or even a hub, throughput will drop, as the bottlenecks will be each additional switch/hub/router. Also, factor in how many walls (and the material the walls are made of) the signal has to go though to reach it's destination. Additionally, factor in how much interference is prevalent (is a microwave or phone system near by...are your neighbor's WAPs interfering with your own WAP's signal? I've no idea if 5ghz is affected by 2.4ghz signals...probably not, but if there's a 5ghz signal in the immediate vicinity (other WAPs), then there'll most likely be an issue).

I could probably think of more factors...
 
okay did another test

I connected my Mini to the Dlink Dir 635 via ethernet cable, I then copied a 600MB movie file from my blackbook to the mini, the best speed I got was 3MB:(
 
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