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A simple UI does not mean it's a good UI. Just being simple, on it's own, doesn't make it good.

My brother has used my iPad / iPhone occasionally before, but when I gave it to him the first thing he tried to do way swipe up because of the arrow for control center. I think the lock screen is fine as it is, but for new / younger users it may be confusing.

I'm not saying the whole of iOS7 is non-intuitive or complicated; but some parts are.

For example, when you're viewing one photo, in iOS7's photos app, you can pinch and zoom out to 'moments' or tap the back button. From moments you can't pinch to get back to 'collections', you have to press the back button. It feels like you should be able to pinch all the way back to the years view of photos. A good feature would be able to zoom all the way back from viewing one photo to year's view with a big pinch, and only back one level with a small pinch, so you're not having to press the back button 3 times (or pinch 3 times).

Pinching to zoom in and out is natural -- it's been hyped up and most people know of this gesture. Pulling down with one finger on the springboard to bring up search is not -- it's always been swipe to the left to get search (and that was obvious because of the dots / icon at the bottom); you wouldn't know how to search without accidentally swiping down or someone showing you.

Size, colour and boldness of text is used to emphasise what are controls, where are controls, what are titles, which are most important. In iOS7, some panels loo so confusing - what is a title, what are options, why are some options smaller than others, what is a description... In the maps panel, at first the blue text is the title and the black text is the content - if you tap on it the whole section highlights and takes you to the web address, for example. But then blue text (same exact size) is used for the 'directions to here' and 'directions from here', as separate options. Then it changes again back to segments with blue text as the title, but non-tappable options. Then at the end the blue text is used again as separate options but slighting bigger.

I wasn't talking about Windows Phone 8; but now that you've brought it up -- in settings the titles are smaller than the descriptions of what each setting does, and the main title is cut off. I was talking about Windows 8 -- some options look like titles and I feel surprised when I can click on an option that looks like a title.

In iOS, details matter - when the music app says N...pling instead of Now Playing, the app feels rushed.

With the lock screen they should make it so you can swipe either way, because if they put a visual cue to which way to swipe I think it'll ruin the simplicity of it.

Your just not liking the aesthetic changes and thats the issue. Apple is a company that innovates and designs. They always have and always will. The new design of the OS is revolutionary and thats why people have a problem. Not everyone is a true apple person. We are few and understand what we are buying and using. Its simplicity that we want and we want it to look forward. If you want boring buttons and already done design buy a sony or samsung. let Apple be apple.
 

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In iOS, details matter - when the music app says N...pling instead of Now Playing, the app feels rushed.

With the lock screen they should make it so you can swipe either way, because if they put a visual cue to which way to swipe I think it'll ruin the simplicity of it.

The 'now playing' thing is a bug in beta 2, it was there ok in beta 1, so that's a rubbish example.

The lock screen is gaining arrows, as seen in beta 2, tho not there for all languages yet. It'll be there for all languages by GM. Tho not that it needs it. I passed my phone to a mate that uses android, hasn't used iOS and swiped to unlock without needing any help....
 
Your just not liking the aesthetic changes and thats the issue. Apple is a company that innovates and designs. They always have and always will. The new design of the OS is revolutionary and thats why people have a problem. Not everyone is a true apple person. We are few and understand what we are buying and using. Its simplicity that we want and we want it to look forward. If you want boring buttons and already done design buy a sony or samsung. let Apple be apple.

I like the general direction of iOS7 in terms of aesthetics; but some visual elements are just bad; so yes -- I am not liking some of the aesthetic changes. Just because someone calls it 'innovative' or 'revolutionary' doesn't mean I have to love all of it. Do you dislike anything in iOS7?

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The 'now playing' thing is a bug in beta 2, it was there ok in beta 1, so that's a rubbish example.

I think it's more to do with what the heading is in the middle. If it's a long album name / playlist name (generally has multiple worda) then it will squash the now playing on the top right so it can fit in. A better way to do it, in my opinion, would be to have scrolling text for the heading.
 
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For those who think disgruntled iPhone users shouldn't "complain" during the BETA process please let us know a more logical time.

Should we air our grievances before the beta is released? How about after the new IOS officially launches?

I think Apple would tell you - this is the time to share positive and negative feedback.

That's what BETAS are for.

I doubt they will mention anybody unhappy about IOS7 at the press conferences though.

Do you think there's enough unhappy people though to make them say anything after all remember the maps fiasco?

I'd love to hear what Apple has to say to those who don't like the move towards a more Android looking phone.
 
I don't mind flat. The new icons are fine, whatever. But I do take exception to change for change's sake, which I feel drives a disproportionate share of the decisions made by the iOS7 designers.

Fonts, line drawings, status animations, etc; all pencil thin, and as often as not, illegible. Buttons that don't press, or give any feedback at all. White fonts on white backgrounds. Why? I'm all for updating the look of something, but please don't make design the first priority over usability.

iOS7 looks like it was put together by hipster art students obsessed with the 80s New Wave album covers...and they're art students with 20 year old eyes who can discern a 1 pixel progress bar on a Retina display. I sure can't.

And to think they spent a single minute more on the parallax home screen effect than they did on sytem wide font legibility...amazing. The number of emails on the red badge on the email app looks like a rendering error. It's so thin and barely readable, it looks like a scratch in the glass. This is not progress. This is art school masturbation.

I spent 5 minutes updating apps in the App store on iOS7, staring at the blue progress circles...were they getting thicker as the apps downloaded? Were my eyes playing tricks on me? Should there be ANY question as to what the circle is doing? Should anyone really have to squint to decipher its status? All in the name of a cool "fresh" design? Nonsense.

Is a clean Safari screen so incredibly important to the almighty LOOK of the app, that I should now be required to tap 3 more times than previously to access my bookmarks bar? And if the look is so important, why does the jumbled mix of favicons and disjointed text that my formerly tidy bookmarks bar has become look like an afterthought?

Is it so important to maintain a clean look that the camera app no longer allows you to see the photo you've just taken, without exiting the app and opening the photos app (which has traded traditional simpllicty and quick navigability for an unintuitive, confusing, but oh so "clean" and trendy visual overhaul).

In too many places, buttons and dialogs have been reduced to simple text, sometimes without so much as a box around it. In iOS7, tapping a word is in; visual feedback following that tap is often out. Am I supposed to think that's cool? Edgy? Hip? Maybe it is those things, but one thing I can tell you it's not...useful. Did my tap register? Hmm. Is the app frozen? Hmm. Should I re-tap in a different place or manner? Hmm.

iOS7 has stripped away so many of the visual clues we have grown accustomed to...clues we have become versed in, not just by using touch screen devices from Apple for the past few years, but a visual vocabulary honed in the civilized physical world, over the course of hundreds of years.

The color red means something serious. It has since the dawn of man. A red delete button means business. iOS7 has reduced delete to just a word. A casual word. Delete? No biggie man, go for it. Or not. Your choice. It's cool. Just tap a word!

There's a reason traffic lights aren't just backlit words. There's a reason currency isn't just printed words on white paper. There's a reason UI designers have used fake button press animations since day one.

Up until iOS7, Apple has spoken, and supremely understood, the universal languages of the physical world, and translated them to near perfection in their 2D interfaces. Universal shapes. Universal colors. Visual feedback that confirmed when something could, and denied when it couldn't.

With iOS7, Apple seems to have forgotten what has made Apple Apple; that they understood the physical world better than most anyone, and turned the universal language of the physical world into pure poetry. It's why the iPod was such a hit. It's why the iPhone redefined the mobile phone. It's why every laptop now looks like a MacBook.

iOS7 looks like Android and Windows Metro had sex in a blender, snorted some coke, dropped some acid, lost too much weight, spent all their money on 80s albums, and forgot everything anyone ever knew about user interfaces.

Restoring now.

Best post ever.
 
I agree with the sentiment that iOS is going to be a disaster for Apple. I installed it, tried to convince myself that it was fine, but it's not. When I put iOS 6 back on there, wow, what a superior interface. The market is going to speak, and Apple is going to have to "fix" it in the next release.

My question is this: I was going to wait until the 5S came out to upgrade, but will it even run iOS 6? I'm guessing not. If not, I need to upgrade to the 5 now.
 
Your just not liking the aesthetic changes and thats the issue. Apple is a company that innovates and designs. They always have and always will. The new design of the OS is revolutionary and thats why people have a problem. Not everyone is a true apple person. We are few and understand what we are buying and using. Its simplicity that we want and we want it to look forward. If you want boring buttons and already done design buy a sony or samsung. let Apple be apple.

This post is incredibly ironic, given that the iOS 7 design is a bad rip-off of Android.

Do you ever actually look at what is going on with the competition or do you just think that whatever Apple does is amazing and "revolutionary"?

Seriously, go look at what Android actually does, just about everything they added (including the parallax background) is lifted straight from Android.
 
This post is incredibly ironic, given that the iOS 7 design is a bad rip-off of Android.

Do you ever actually look at what is going on with the competition or do you just think that whatever Apple does is amazing and "revolutionary"?

Seriously, go look at what Android actually does, just about everything they added (including the parallax background) is lifted straight from Android.

Apple made the iPhone before android. Does that penetrate your brain. Do you understand that the entire basis of android is a copy of apple iOS. Get over it. Android did not invent parallax. The only thing android invented was getting advertising on your phone.
 
Not sure why this thread still exists...

I personally love it. This thing isnt even close to a disaster. Now if we're talking current functionality, maybe rename it to "Wow. iOS 7 Beta 2 is a disaster."
 
It's so amateur though, you go from a glass panel dock to a blur. It looks photoshopped.

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Damn.. Those images make iOS 7 look like garbage.

Why would they trade something so classy and beautiful for something so cheap and tacky. The iOS 7 icons are just tasteless.

I have to admit when I first saw iOS 7 I thought it looked pretty good but as time has gone by I've loathed it more and more. What were they thinking??
 
Apple made the iPhone before android. Does that penetrate your brain. Do you understand that the entire basis of android is a copy of apple iOS. Get over it. Android did not invent parallax. The only thing android invented was getting advertising on your phone.

Hilarious ^^^^ I was literally laughing for a good minute, you made my day.

And while I do agree entirely that iOS came first, to be fair that doesnt mean it got certain features before android. Paralax is something new that Apple has won at, but "multitasking" in general and the notification center were definitely on android before iOS.
 
Hilarious ^^^^ I was literally laughing for a good minute, you made my day.

And while I do agree entirely that iOS came first, to be fair that doesnt mean it got certain features before android. Paralax is something new that Apple has won at, but "multitasking" in general and the notification center were definitely on android before iOS.

I never said iOS came first. It did come before android. Nokia was the first to use the folder concept in a cellphone. Android grabbed a foothold with service providers that didn't have iPhone at the time. Android is nothing but a iOS clone.
 
I never said iOS came first. It did come before android. Nokia was the first to use the folder concept in a cellphone. Android grabbed a foothold with service providers that didn't have iPhone at the time. Android is nothing but a iOS clone.

Lol, if we are comparing apples and oranges, why would mention bananas... you knew what i meant, first of the two :p Dont get me wrong, I do not like anything about android at all, but credit where credit is due.

Whether or not iOS was released BEFORE <lol better?> android, if android begins releasing features before iOS, doesnt that technically not make it a copy? I mean granted it could have a base of iOS, but once they took off, they went in their own direction. They just got to certain features before apple did. But Im glad, because apple takes their time in developing their features so it is structured nicely, and stable.

But I just think its kind of over the top to say "they are just a clone." Its like saying a human is just a clone of a monkey. Just because one came before the other, doesnt necessarily mean it evolves quicker. Im just being objective about it.
 
Lol, if we are comparing apples and oranges, why would mention bananas... you knew what i meant, first of the two :p Dont get me wrong, I do not like anything about android at all, but credit where credit is due.

Whether or not iOS was released BEFORE <lol better?> android, if android begins releasing features before iOS, doesnt that technically not make it a copy? I mean granted it could have a base of iOS, but once they took off, they went in their own direction. They just got to certain features before apple did. But Im glad, because apple takes their time in developing their features so it is structured nicely, and stable.

But I just think its kind of over the top to say "they are just a clone." Its like saying a human is just a clone of a monkey. Just because one came before the other, doesnt necessarily mean it evolves quicker. Im just being objective about it.

I would see the point if android invented notifications. They didn't invent notifications or pull down menus. They just used it in their OS. Its like arguing that apple invented the shape rectangle. They didn't they just made a rectangle phone. Android just stacks and stacks features on their phones but never really invented anything. Im not saying apple invented everything but they do do it flawlessly and thats why I like them.
 
iOS 7 is a delight to use, and there are plenty of us that enjoy it. I could not imagine going back to iOS 6 except for ONE reason - the apps that don't yet work well with iOS 7.

Other than that, iOS 6 and below are in the past - and I'm glad for it. I love the changes and look forward to what's ahead.

iOS 7 is no disaster, it's a relief in so many ways.. looking forward to more of the process of getting to a GM!

PS - if you're the kind of person that tests something for a day and then wants to go back to an old version that will be left behind in just a few months - you likely should not be installing beta software of any kind in the first place. Betas are for testing and good feedback, not whiners..!
 
Hilarious ^^^^ I was literally laughing for a good minute, you made my day.

And while I do agree entirely that iOS came first, to be fair that doesnt mean it got certain features before android. Paralax is something new that Apple has won at, but "multitasking" in general and the notification center were definitely on android before iOS.

Parallax was available for Android last year. Works well, at least for me.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=opotech.image3Dlwp

Funny about the comments in 2012 about how he should quickly patent it before Apple copies it. :)
 
This thread reminds me of why its good for the public not to get betas. I can't believe the amount of threads posting "issues" that are listed as known on the dev site and thinking that this is how it will be in the final OS. Sillyness.
 
This thread reminds me of why its good for the public not to get betas. I can't believe the amount of threads posting "issues" that are listed as known on the dev site and thinking that this is how it will be in the final OS. Sillyness.

And this affects you, how? :confused:
 
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