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So that's 2007. Fine. Icon grids are decades old. Certainly nothing new.

In 2013 Android is leading the way, for better or worse, and Apple can't even play catch up. The parallax thing in their promo video is so embarrassing. They make it look like it's some profound new user interface idea, and it's just a cheap accelerometer trick, one that was on Android last year for anyone that wanted it.

Don't you realize that the fact you defend them so much, and buy into their (essentially) lies means you're just falling prey to their expert marketing? None of the stuff they presented was new. And it looks better on Android 4.2 anyway.


I think you certainly aren't defending Android, not one iota!

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There's more Android devices sold than iOS devices, apparently... so who's falling for the marketing, hmmmm? Can't be you - I know it can't be Android's "fault" (it never is).
 
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Hmmm, then in my vast repository of nerdiness... my solution for you is:

1/ Open task killer app (whichever of the 1,198 ones you chose)

2/ Find the task killer app process, and kill it



Yay! I just earned myself 1,000 green robot points :p

I don't need to close my apps I got one of these bad boys to keep it runnin all day long.:D and no its not a tooma.
 

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So that's 2007. Fine. Icon grids are decades old. Certainly nothing new. Kinda hard to copy a copy and claim the second copy is a copy of the original copy of something else. Go look at Windows Mobile, Palm, and of course desktop computers, blah blah blah.

In 2013 Android is leading the way, for better or worse, and Apple can't even play catch up. The parallax thing in their promo video is so embarrassing. They make it look like it's some profound new user interface idea, and it's just a cheap accelerometer trick, one that was on Android last year for anyone that wanted it.

Don't you realize that the fact you defend them so much, and buy into their (essentially) lies means you're just falling prey to their expert marketing? None of the stuff they presented was new. And it looks better on Android 4.2 anyway.

exactly
 
I think you certainly aren't defending Android, not one iota!

Android has problems, sure. I just don't like lies and misinformation. So I am not "defending" Android, I can rail on that any time. I am simply defending what the truth of the situation is. Windows and Android are quite good these days, and generally better than Apples offerings across the board, save for a few things. I am (or maybe was) an Apple fanboy and have been for the last ten years, which is why I am here. I criticize them because they are doing a freaking terrible job these days. I carry a Nexus 4 because my iPhone 5 was incredibly poor in my eyes. I still have my iPad but with the iOS 7 beta on it, I barely want to pick it up. It's just hideous to look at now, and because I have a Nexus I can see what a bad copy of Android it is. I mean, we are talking down to tiny interface elements like the back arrow with text in apps. It's a straight up lift job.

I'm almost always just commenting on someone's ignorance on this board because it's better if people make actually informed decisions, not ones based on what Apple marketing tells you to think, or what your own little reality tells you to think either.

I still want Apple to do a good job, but with all the people leaving these days (lots of engineers leaving), things are obviously bad internally. Products are late and looking ugly. Lots of still unresolved bugs in software (stuff MS never gets away with or even tries to), and lots of languishing software. Pro computers you can't fix, and Mobile products that are behind the software and hardware curve. If you're not one of the "true believers" it's pretty obvious these are dark times at Apple.

Oh well, no skin off my teeth. :D
 
Android has problems, sure. I just don't like lies and misinformation. So I am not "defending" Android, I can rail on that any time. I am simply defending what the truth of the situation is. Windows and Android are quite good these days, and generally better than Apples offerings across the board, save for a few things. I am (or maybe was) an Apple fanboy and have been for the last ten years, which is why I am here. I criticize them because they are doing a freaking terrible job these days. I carry a Nexus 4 because my iPhone 5 was incredibly poor in my eyes. I still have my iPad but with the iOS 7 beta on it, I barely want to pick it up. It's just hideous to look at now, and because I have a Nexus I can see what a bad copy of Android it is. I mean, we are talking down to tiny interface elements like the back arrow with text in apps. It's a straight up lift job.

I'm almost always just commenting on someone's ignorance on this board because it's better if people make actually informed decisions, not ones based on what Apple marketing tells you to think, or what your own little reality tells you to think either.

I still want Apple to do a good job, but with all the people leaving these days (lots of engineers leaving), things are obviously bad internally. Products are late and looking ugly. Lots of still unresolved bugs in software (stuff MS never gets away with or even tries to), and lots of languishing software. Pro computers you can't fix, and Mobile products that are behind the software and hardware curve. If you're not one of the "true believers" it's pretty obvious these are dark times at Apple.

Oh well, no skin off my teeth. :D

TL;DR, sorry. Also, TB;DB (Too biased; Didn't bother)

You have SKIN on your TEETH? Didn't you mean.... nose?

LOL!


PS: I don't have the will nor energy to go down the "let's all discuss Android, but go down myyyy rabbit hole" - You like it, I dislike it - we're equal as humans, our opinions are okay to differ :)
 
Android has problems, sure. I just don't like lies and misinformation. So I am not "defending" Android, I can rail on that any time. I am simply defending what the truth of the situation is. Windows and Android are quite good these days, and generally better than Apples offerings across the board, save for a few things. I am (or maybe was) an Apple fanboy and have been for the last ten years, which is why I am here. I criticize them because they are doing a freaking terrible job these days. I carry a Nexus 4 because my iPhone 5 was incredibly poor in my eyes. I still have my iPad but with the iOS 7 beta on it, I barely want to pick it up. It's just hideous to look at now, and because I have a Nexus I can see what a bad copy of Android it is. I mean, we are talking down to tiny interface elements like the back arrow with text in apps. It's a straight up lift job.

I'm almost always just commenting on someone's ignorance on this board because it's better if people make actually informed decisions, not ones based on what Apple marketing tells you to think, or what your own little reality tells you to think either.

I still want Apple to do a good job, but with all the people leaving these days (lots of engineers leaving), things are obviously bad internally. Products are late and looking ugly. Lots of still unresolved bugs in software (stuff MS never gets away with or even tries to), and lots of languishing software. Pro computers you can't fix, and Mobile products that are behind the software and hardware curve. If you're not one of the "true believers" it's pretty obvious these are dark times at Apple.

Oh well, no skin off my teeth. :D

Everything you just typed is your opinion. Thats fine everyone has preference.
 
Everything you just typed is your opinion. Thats fine everyone has preference.

Yes, and my preference is to read a few sentences, realise the dear lad is blindly in love with all Androids good points, and then proceeds to artificially magnify his opinion that we are all blind, fallible victims of Apple's "evil" campaign to brainwash us all...

(Do they sell this speech on Amazon? It seems very... 'rehearsed' - kinda religious)


To keep you happy, and to save a silly debate with no meaning, yes - we're all "Silly iSheep", and Apple calls us daily and makes sure we know it. Apple are so terribly unsuccessful, that they've recently been voted as poorest company in the world, with the lowest customer sat... :D

<honest>
 
Yes, and my preference is to read a few sentences, realise the dear lad is blindly in love with all Androids good points, and then proceeds to artificially magnify his opinion that we are all blind, fallible victims of Apple's "evil" campaign to brainwash us all...

(Do they sell this speech on Amazon? It seems very... 'rehearsed' - kinda religious)


To keep you happy, and to save a silly debate with no meaning, yes - we're all "Silly iSheep", and Apple calls us daily and makes sure we know it. Apple are so terribly unsuccessful, that they've recently been voted as poorest company in the world, with the lowest customer sat... :D

<honest>

Android boys with fans are like Germans. No sense of humor or personality. I was traveling through Germany once looking to visit Dachau. But every German I asked for directions acted like it didn't exist and said they didn't know. This was before GPS. :D
 
Android boys with fans are like Germans. No sense of humor or personality. I was traveling through Germany once looking to visit Dachau. But every German I asked for directions acted like it didn't exist and said they didn't know. This was before GPS. :D

GPS? Ah! "German Politeness System"
 
I don't mind flat. The new icons are fine, whatever. But I do take exception to change for change's sake, which I feel drives a disproportionate share of the decisions made by the iOS7 designers.

Fonts, line drawings, status animations, etc; all pencil thin, and as often as not, illegible. Buttons that don't press, or give any feedback at all. White fonts on white backgrounds. Why? I'm all for updating the look of something, but please don't make design the first priority over usability.

iOS7 looks like it was put together by hipster art students obsessed with the 80s New Wave album covers...and they're art students with 20 year old eyes who can discern a 1 pixel progress bar on a Retina display. I sure can't.

And to think they spent a single minute more on the parallax home screen effect than they did on sytem wide font legibility...amazing. The number of emails on the red badge on the email app looks like a rendering error. It's so thin and barely readable, it looks like a scratch in the glass. This is not progress. This is art school masturbation.

I spent 5 minutes updating apps in the App store on iOS7, staring at the blue progress circles...were they getting thicker as the apps downloaded? Were my eyes playing tricks on me? Should there be ANY question as to what the circle is doing? Should anyone really have to squint to decipher its status? All in the name of a cool "fresh" design? Nonsense.

Is a clean Safari screen so incredibly important to the almighty LOOK of the app, that I should now be required to tap 3 more times than previously to access my bookmarks bar? And if the look is so important, why does the jumbled mix of favicons and disjointed text that my formerly tidy bookmarks bar has become look like an afterthought?

Is it so important to maintain a clean look that the camera app no longer allows you to see the photo you've just taken, without exiting the app and opening the photos app (which has traded traditional simpllicty and quick navigability for an unintuitive, confusing, but oh so "clean" and trendy visual overhaul).

In too many places, buttons and dialogs have been reduced to simple text, sometimes without so much as a box around it. In iOS7, tapping a word is in; visual feedback following that tap is often out. Am I supposed to think that's cool? Edgy? Hip? Maybe it is those things, but one thing I can tell you it's not...useful. Did my tap register? Hmm. Is the app frozen? Hmm. Should I re-tap in a different place or manner? Hmm.

iOS7 has stripped away so many of the visual clues we have grown accustomed to...clues we have become versed in, not just by using touch screen devices from Apple for the past few years, but a visual vocabulary honed in the civilized physical world, over the course of hundreds of years.

The color red means something serious. It has since the dawn of man. A red delete button means business. iOS7 has reduced delete to just a word. A casual word. Delete? No biggie man, go for it. Or not. Your choice. It's cool. Just tap a word!

There's a reason traffic lights aren't just backlit words. There's a reason currency isn't just printed words on white paper. There's a reason UI designers have used fake button press animations since day one.

Up until iOS7, Apple has spoken, and supremely understood, the universal languages of the physical world, and translated them to near perfection in their 2D interfaces. Universal shapes. Universal colors. Visual feedback that confirmed when something could, and denied when it couldn't.

With iOS7, Apple seems to have forgotten what has made Apple Apple; that they understood the physical world better than most anyone, and turned the universal language of the physical world into pure poetry. It's why the iPod was such a hit. It's why the iPhone redefined the mobile phone. It's why every laptop now looks like a MacBook.

iOS7 looks like Android and Windows Metro had sex in a blender, snorted some coke, dropped some acid, lost too much weight, spent all their money on 80s albums, and forgot everything anyone ever knew about user interfaces.

Restoring now.

So true...

" Did my tap register? Hmm. Is the app frozen? Hmm. Should I re-tap in a different place or manner? Hmm. "

Visual feedback is gone

Unfortunately old folks and regular people will be absolutely lost on iOS7, I know people from 40 to 70 years old that have iPads and iPhones for a couple of years and they are still learning basic functionality or do not even know that they could do this and that with their devices but they love how easy is to use it.

This fall when iOS7 is released it will be interesting to watch when all those people upgrade (or not) and start complaining about everything that they've learned is gone.
 
So true...

" Did my tap register? Hmm. Is the app frozen? Hmm. Should I re-tap in a different place or manner? Hmm. "

Visual feedback is gone

This is very frustrating, but also inconsistent. There are some places where we do get visual feedback. Tap on the blue text and the background turns blue to register the tap.

This makes me think (or at least hope) that the lack of visual feedback in some places is just a beta problem that will be cleared up by the time we get the GM.
 
This is very frustrating, but also inconsistent. There are some places where we do get visual feedback. Tap on the blue text and the background turns blue to register the tap.

This makes me think (or at least hope) that the lack of visual feedback in some places is just a beta problem that will be cleared up by the time we get the GM.

I hope so but all the promotional videos on apple.com and wwdc explaining why this new system was so good are already done, things can change a little bit but I believe we will get stuck with all these issues on 7.0 and then they will start refining based on feedback, I hope they do it sooner than later.
 
I don't mind flat. The new icons are fine, whatever. But I do take exception to change for change's sake, which I feel drives a disproportionate share of the decisions made by the iOS7 designers.

Fonts, line drawings, status animations, etc; all pencil thin, and as often as not, illegible. Buttons that don't press, or give any feedback at all. White fonts on white backgrounds. Why? I'm all for updating the look of something, but please don't make design the first priority over usability.

iOS7 looks like it was put together by hipster art students obsessed with the 80s New Wave album covers...and they're art students with 20 year old eyes who can discern a 1 pixel progress bar on a Retina display. I sure can't.

And to think they spent a single minute more on the parallax home screen effect than they did on sytem wide font legibility...amazing. The number of emails on the red badge on the email app looks like a rendering error. It's so thin and barely readable, it looks like a scratch in the glass. This is not progress. This is art school masturbation.

I spent 5 minutes updating apps in the App store on iOS7, staring at the blue progress circles...were they getting thicker as the apps downloaded? Were my eyes playing tricks on me? Should there be ANY question as to what the circle is doing? Should anyone really have to squint to decipher its status? All in the name of a cool "fresh" design? Nonsense.

Is a clean Safari screen so incredibly important to the almighty LOOK of the app, that I should now be required to tap 3 more times than previously to access my bookmarks bar? And if the look is so important, why does the jumbled mix of favicons and disjointed text that my formerly tidy bookmarks bar has become look like an afterthought?

Is it so important to maintain a clean look that the camera app no longer allows you to see the photo you've just taken, without exiting the app and opening the photos app (which has traded traditional simpllicty and quick navigability for an unintuitive, confusing, but oh so "clean" and trendy visual overhaul).

In too many places, buttons and dialogs have been reduced to simple text, sometimes without so much as a box around it. In iOS7, tapping a word is in; visual feedback following that tap is often out. Am I supposed to think that's cool? Edgy? Hip? Maybe it is those things, but one thing I can tell you it's not...useful. Did my tap register? Hmm. Is the app frozen? Hmm. Should I re-tap in a different place or manner? Hmm.

iOS7 has stripped away so many of the visual clues we have grown accustomed to...clues we have become versed in, not just by using touch screen devices from Apple for the past few years, but a visual vocabulary honed in the civilized physical world, over the course of hundreds of years.

The color red means something serious. It has since the dawn of man. A red delete button means business. iOS7 has reduced delete to just a word. A casual word. Delete? No biggie man, go for it. Or not. Your choice. It's cool. Just tap a word!

There's a reason traffic lights aren't just backlit words. There's a reason currency isn't just printed words on white paper. There's a reason UI designers have used fake button press animations since day one.

Up until iOS7, Apple has spoken, and supremely understood, the universal languages of the physical world, and translated them to near perfection in their 2D interfaces. Universal shapes. Universal colors. Visual feedback that confirmed when something could, and denied when it couldn't.

With iOS7, Apple seems to have forgotten what has made Apple Apple; that they understood the physical world better than most anyone, and turned the universal language of the physical world into pure poetry. It's why the iPod was such a hit. It's why the iPhone redefined the mobile phone. It's why every laptop now looks like a MacBook.

iOS7 looks like Android and Windows Metro had sex in a blender, snorted some coke, dropped some acid, lost too much weight, spent all their money on 80s albums, and forgot everything anyone ever knew about user interfaces.

Restoring now.

Award winning post!

I think people who are somewhat new to Apple are dismissing this as nothing more than people not wanting to embrace change. However, having experienced some of the GUI developments that set Apple apart from others (in a good way), there are many who see iOS7 as proof that Apple officially lost its way in functionally/design balance.
 
I do actually enjoy iOS 7, and the consistency between all of the included apps - but I'd love to see Apple carefully consider the younger and older generations (restrictions and simplicity, feedback) and the night owls (dark modes, better interface customizations).

Does anyone remember the original guides Apple produced?

http://basalgangster.macgui.com/Ret.../2011/12/4_The_User_Interface_Guidelines.html

* In the midst of all of the changes, one thing that's really a big plus with iOS 7 (and iOS 8 with the iPhone 6 release?) is a redoubled effort towards consistency. *

On thought of selection feedback, it would be a nice option. Parallax can be turned on and off, so why not selection feedback?
 
Good post. The basic problem with iOS 7 is that it is too focused on looks and not enough on usability. A typical example is the choice of ultrathin fonts, they might look cool but they are not very readable at small sizes, especially since they also got rid of drop shadows. Drop shadows are not an aesthetic choice, they are there to aid the human eye. They also stripped away use of color to help the user, both neutral (like grey) and distinctive. I can go on.

Ive's aesthetic minimalism works well on hardware but it is rather misplaced in GUI design. Tim Cook appointed a guy who had never designed a GUI in his life, told himself that he is the most tasteful guy in the world, and that's that. When I took a user interface course for my CS major it was all about usability principles, nothing else. The original iOS and iPhone designs were well-grounded in these principles and it made using an iPhone intuitive and easy for the masses.

I don't mind flat. The new icons are fine, whatever. But I do take exception to change for change's sake, which I feel drives a disproportionate share of the decisions made by the iOS7 designers.

Fonts, line drawings, status animations, etc; all pencil thin, and as often as not, illegible. Buttons that don't press, or give any feedback at all. White fonts on white backgrounds. Why? I'm all for updating the look of something, but please don't make design the first priority over usability.

iOS7 looks like it was put together by hipster art students obsessed with the 80s New Wave album covers...and they're art students with 20 year old eyes who can discern a 1 pixel progress bar on a Retina display. I sure can't.

And to think they spent a single minute more on the parallax home screen effect than they did on sytem wide font legibility...amazing. The number of emails on the red badge on the email app looks like a rendering error. It's so thin and barely readable, it looks like a scratch in the glass. This is not progress. This is art school masturbation.

I spent 5 minutes updating apps in the App store on iOS7, staring at the blue progress circles...were they getting thicker as the apps downloaded? Were my eyes playing tricks on me? Should there be ANY question as to what the circle is doing? Should anyone really have to squint to decipher its status? All in the name of a cool "fresh" design? Nonsense.

Is a clean Safari screen so incredibly important to the almighty LOOK of the app, that I should now be required to tap 3 more times than previously to access my bookmarks bar? And if the look is so important, why does the jumbled mix of favicons and disjointed text that my formerly tidy bookmarks bar has become look like an afterthought?

Is it so important to maintain a clean look that the camera app no longer allows you to see the photo you've just taken, without exiting the app and opening the photos app (which has traded traditional simpllicty and quick navigability for an unintuitive, confusing, but oh so "clean" and trendy visual overhaul).

In too many places, buttons and dialogs have been reduced to simple text, sometimes without so much as a box around it. In iOS7, tapping a word is in; visual feedback following that tap is often out. Am I supposed to think that's cool? Edgy? Hip? Maybe it is those things, but one thing I can tell you it's not...useful. Did my tap register? Hmm. Is the app frozen? Hmm. Should I re-tap in a different place or manner? Hmm.

iOS7 has stripped away so many of the visual clues we have grown accustomed to...clues we have become versed in, not just by using touch screen devices from Apple for the past few years, but a visual vocabulary honed in the civilized physical world, over the course of hundreds of years.

The color red means something serious. It has since the dawn of man. A red delete button means business. iOS7 has reduced delete to just a word. A casual word. Delete? No biggie man, go for it. Or not. Your choice. It's cool. Just tap a word!

There's a reason traffic lights aren't just backlit words. There's a reason currency isn't just printed words on white paper. There's a reason UI designers have used fake button press animations since day one.

Up until iOS7, Apple has spoken, and supremely understood, the universal languages of the physical world, and translated them to near perfection in their 2D interfaces. Universal shapes. Universal colors. Visual feedback that confirmed when something could, and denied when it couldn't.

With iOS7, Apple seems to have forgotten what has made Apple Apple; that they understood the physical world better than most anyone, and turned the universal language of the physical world into pure poetry. It's why the iPod was such a hit. It's why the iPhone redefined the mobile phone. It's why every laptop now looks like a MacBook.

iOS7 looks like Android and Windows Metro had sex in a blender, snorted some coke, dropped some acid, lost too much weight, spent all their money on 80s albums, and forgot everything anyone ever knew about user interfaces.

Restoring now.
 
Award winning post!

I think people who are somewhat new to Apple are dismissing this as nothing more than people not wanting to embrace change. However, having experienced some of the GUI developments that set Apple apart from others (in a good way), there are many who see iOS7 as proof that Apple officially lost its way in functionally/design balance.

I second that!
 
falconeight and Typeface should get a room.. Typeface dismisses the guys opinions without even bothering to offer a coherent reply just one filled with rhetoric because he labels him a fanboy yet fails to see that he is one himself.

Thumbs up to the detailed posts above full of actually facts and interesting view points.
 
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It's so amateur though, you go from a glass panel dock to a blur. It looks photoshopped.

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Ugh. When you show that comparison it does, indeed, look quite ugly.

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This is all very interesting -- can't wait to see 7 in action, in my hands...
 
I don't mind flat.
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iOS7 looks like Android and Windows Metro had sex in a blender, snorted some coke, dropped some acid, lost too much weight, spent all their money on 80s albums, and forgot everything anyone ever knew about user interfaces.

Restoring now.

TL;DR I hate iOS 7 and Apple.
 
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Is it so important to maintain a clean look that the camera app no longer allows you to see the photo you've just taken, without exiting the app and opening the photos app (which has traded traditional simpllicty and quick navigability for an unintuitive, confusing, but oh so "clean" and trendy visual overhaul).

Restoring now.

Um, I can see the photo I just took after taking a pic in the bottom left still.

Restore away buddy.
 
Yah. :(

Haters love to vent and share the misery, in any category of life..

if it was too long and you didn't read, then how exactly do you know it was written by a miserable venting hater? oh right, you don't. and it wasn't.


Um, I can see the photo I just took after taking a pic in the bottom left still.

Restore away buddy.

sorry, I neglected to mention this was beta 2 on the ipad mini. not sure about the mini with b3, but I do now see it on the iPhone. not your buddy though.
 
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