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Yosemite; are you joking ?

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aicul

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Today I found this on my desktop after I left for a quick coffee...

Look at the file "no memory.png"; there are only 5 apps running (+Finder) and the iMac has 16Gb RAM.

This is crazy :eek:

I've used macs since the very first one, and never have I seen such a message.

Ouch this does not sound good !!

Any advice on how to investigate this further welcome.
 

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colourfastt

colourfastt

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I have gotten that error several times since installing 10.10. The only way I've managed to get around it is a hard reboot since it locks up my system.
 
simonsi

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Which app has taken the memory? Ive heard of Mail issues like that in 10.10 but I dont use Mail (and havent had anything similar).
 
nefan65

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Ya, I'm not overly impressed with Yosemite. I haven't had the memory issue, but have had:

  • 2 Finger swipe in Safari stops working after a bit.
  • Even though I've changed the logon to be Username/Password, it continues to default to List.
  • Mail will become unresponsive off/on and hang.
  • WiFi kicks off/on. Was an issue in the first beta and still here on the final release.

I've done the wipe and clean install to no avail. Not impressed; hopefully 10.10.1 will fix some of this?
 
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F1Mac

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I would check the activity monitor first to see if there's any weird PID activity...
 
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seble

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It's not exclude to Yosemite, oddly, when I updated my iMac to Mavericks, I would get this message. I'm using a rMBP now whilst at college on Yosemite, but I've been lucky to not have that crappy message carry through!
 
grahamperrin

grahamperrin

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Not specific to Yosemite: how much free space on the startup volume?

Not specific to Yosemite.

What's pictured in the opening post is typically a symptom of lack of free space on the OS X startup volume.
 
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aicul

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grahamperrin said:
What's pictured in the opening post is typically a symptom of lack of free space on the OS X startup volume.
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I'm afraid not (or hope not), attached is the info for the startup disk. It's 83% free !

Morpheo said:
I would check the activity monitor first to see if there's any weird PID activity...
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Damn ! you are right, I should have checked that. It's a bit late now to check (but if this problem arises again I'll check).
 

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grahamperrin

grahamperrin

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Additional information (somewhat technical)

Just rarely, the free space reported by (for example) Finder appears to not take into account the amount of space used for – to use the technical phrase – 'external paging files'. Please note, that's not a bug in Finder.

More rarely, the apparent discrepancy may occur when both of the following are true:
  • the HFS Plus file system for the OS X startup volume appears to be OK
  • no memory leak.
More modern versions of the operating system use more condensed forms of wording for the alert, for example in the opening poster's screenshot there's no mention of "disk" or "space".

Related topics

There's often misunderstanding of the thing, or combination of things, that causes the operating system to present the alert. So (without reading through each topic below) I should treat much of the content as for reference only … in other words, don't embark on a huge mission of reading linked articles about weeding files, and so on.

In the first topic below, you'll see an alert that's comparable to what was seen by aicul (the opening poster here).

Note in particular that in the second topic, what the customer accepted as the resolution may be not the ideal solution for many other people. If the intention is to avoid the type of yellow alert that's in the opening post here, purchasing additional memory is likely to be a waste of time and money.

"Your Mac OS X startup disk has no more space available for application memory" error? – Apple Support Communities

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'Your Mac OS X startup disk has no more space available for application memory' – Apple Support Communities

Why does Mac Book Pro show your mac os z startup disk has no more space available for application memory – Apple Support Communities

Startup disk has no more space available for application memory? – Ask Different

Virtual Memory SWAP is filling up HD: "Your Mac OS X startup disk has no more space available for application memory" – Apple Support Communities

Your System has Run out of Application memory – Apple Support Communities

When I open my iMac, I get this message - Your Mac OS X startup disk has no more space available for application memory. ??????? – Apple Support Communities

OS X startup disk has no more space available for application memory – Apple Support Communities

"Your Mac OS X startup disk has no more space available for application memory." What does this mean and what should I do? – Apple Support Communities


YOUR MAC OS X STARTUP DISCK HAS NO MORE SPACE AVAILABLE FOR APPLICATION MEMORY – Apple Support Communities

Your System has Run out of Application memory
 
cb911

cb911

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Wow, now there is a thorough reply...

I'm interested to know what Activity Monitor shows if that error happens again. I'd guess the Mail memory leak based on the fact that Mail is frozen as well... apparently users have reported Mail using up to 24GB RAM? (And who knows how much swap file space!) And that much space can be filled up in a matter of seconds, so it's not surprising that you were only gone for 5 minutes and saw the error.

But force quitting Mail should solve the problem? If that is indeed the cause of the memory leak...
 
chrfr

chrfr

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grahamperrin said:
Not specific to Yosemite.

What's pictured in the opening post is typically a symptom of lack of free space on the OS X startup volume.
Click to expand...

Not specific to Yosemite, and not related to disk space, in my experience. Note that the text in the dialog box you linked is different than the OP's.
 
grahamperrin

grahamperrin

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chrfr said:
… the text in the dialog box you linked is different than the OP's.
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Yep, a few paragraphs earlier in the same post:

"More modern versions of the operating system use more condensed forms of wording for the alert, for example in the opening poster's screenshot there's no mention of "disk" or "space"."​
 
chrfr

chrfr

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grahamperrin said:
Yep, a few paragraphs earlier in the same post:

"More modern versions of the operating system use more condensed forms of wording for the alert, for example in the opening poster's screenshot there's no mention of "disk" or "space"."​
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When it happened on the one system where this was an issue for me, it was Server.app on 10.9.x which I was using to manage a separate system. At the time, the computer that ran out of memory had about 400GB available on disk. Unfortunately I wasn't able to launch any tools to see what was going on without force quitting Server.app, and once I had done that, memory usage was back to normal, but it assuredly was not a matter of disk space.
 
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aicul

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cb911 said:
But force quitting Mail should solve the problem? If that is indeed the cause of the memory leak...
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Actually the mac was working fine when I got back to it, hinting that the issue was temporary (but long enough to generate the error).

I eventually killed mail later.

Beavix said:
OP: do you happen to have a GoDaddy-hosted email account configured in Mail.app?
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No, actually 3 emails from the mac-mini server

chrfr said:
... but it assuredly was not a matter of disk space.
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Fully agree to that, but gave the disk space info to show that this was not an issue.

grahamperrin said:
I should emphasise the previously given word: rarely …
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Mmmm :eek: not sure. The issue is not "rarely", it is that an unclear message appears.

It really comes down to the alerts Apple issues, they are just pointless. I take an example from iOS where mail APP will happily alert that the server of "EVERY" mailbox is unavailable, one by one, when in reality the problem is that there is no "internet".

In this case, I would have expected Yosemite to say "out of app memory and there is a paused app that may possibly be the first cause of this". (lets not forget it does list Mail as "paused").

After all, is Yosemite v10.10 or v10.01 ?
 
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cosmicjoke

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I've encountered that one prior to Yosemite w/ 16gb of ram.... same w/ the person who mentioned 2 finger safari swipes, that bug has disappeared and reappeared throughout all of Mavericks if not longer w/ all of my macs... the closest my mac life has approximated rock solid stability was w/ snow leopard 10.6.7..... but life goes on..

running the $2500 '14 macbook pro fwiw....
 
n-evo

n-evo

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nefan65 said:
2 Finger swipe in Safari stops working after a bit.
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That's been a bug since OS X Mountain Lion. There's no telling when it shows its ugly face. I thought it was fixed with OS X Mavericks but suddenly started happing there too. I've also had it happen a couple of times in OS X Yosemite now. :confused:

:mad:
 
roadbloc

roadbloc

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The reason I downgraded back to Mavericks is because I kept on seeing this. And the horrible new interface.
 
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aicul

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roadbloc said:
The reason I downgraded back to Mavericks is because I kept on seeing this. And the horrible new interface.
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I don't think the interface and the memory message are linked. But I see your point.

It's sort of strange that memory management is yet to be properly managed by apple.
 
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ivnj

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I have 8gb in my 2011 mini and my father has 8gb also in his 2011 mac book pro. And he uses mail also. No problems so far. Never seen this error before.
 
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quackers82

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I had uTorrent doing this on my new Mac Mini :confused: Been using that fine for a few years on 10.8 or 10.9 and now 10.10 it breaks.
 
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