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schixzotic

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Mar 14, 2008
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Singapore
I love my MBA but it hates me!
LOL.
Breaking it in was a huge pain - in the first week I was force quitting practically every application because they'd mysteriously become unresponsive.
I had to force shutdown almost every single time in the first week too. :(

It's getting better though. Only forced a shutdown once this week! :D

I noticed that everytime I open an application for the first time, it will become unresponsive after about 5-10min and refuse to force quit. After which I will attempt to shut down, but my MBA will refuse to and I have to force shutdown. But the second time I open the applic it runs fine.
Anyone have the same prob?
 

bcaslis

macrumors 68020
Mar 11, 2008
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I love my MBA but it hates me!
LOL.
Breaking it in was a huge pain - in the first week I was force quitting practically every application because they'd mysteriously become unresponsive.
I had to force shutdown almost every single time in the first week too. :(

It's getting better though. Only forced a shutdown once this week! :D

I noticed that everytime I open an application for the first time, it will become unresponsive after about 5-10min and refuse to force quit. After which I will attempt to shut down, but my MBA will refuse to and I have to force shutdown. But the second time I open the applic it runs fine.
Anyone have the same prob?

Never needed to force shutdown or seen your symptoms. I think you have a hardware or software problem. I'd try backing up your stuff, the erase and reinstall the OS and put your stuff back on. The MBA has been very reliable for me so far.
 

jflamm

macrumors newbie
Mar 16, 2008
17
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selling mine regrettably

I have a MacBook Air 1.6/SSD for about a month.

The positives have been gone over many times and I really do like this machine - in particular the excellent screen, keyboard, quite respectable speed. The Trackpad is a pleasure to use and the machine in general is light and well built.

Given all this I will probably be getting rid of my machine due to the fan noise. I have read and reread many many posts about this and it most certainly IS an issue IF you are bothered by fan noise. All of the other minor issues I would gladly live with.

When the fan spins at the lowest speed (~2500 RPM) which is does a great deal of the time - the machine is practically silent and an absolute pleasure. If you are doing anything that exercises the CPU or blocking the fan outlet at all (ex/ using it in bed), the fan WILL spin up to 6200 RPM and at that speed it is (in my opinion) quite loud. Unfortunately this is not a rare occurrence, and for $2700 - not something I can rationalize when I know that these heat issues will most likely be addressed in a subsequent version (certainly with the 45nm upcoming parts).

Other small quibbles - the case is beautiful - but the sharp edge at the front is uncomfortable if you are using it propped against you. This machine is actually fast enough to do significant processing - it is a shame they didn't put a small FW connection. Battery life is quite reasonable but variable on usage. I respect the decision to make this a full size (footprint) machine - one should note that this is NOT ideal on an airplane in economy class - and I am sure having a seatback hit the polished aluminum surface of the back could cause a mid-flight blood pressure spike. It's nice that it's so thin - but to be honest I don't see the value in being the thinest especially if it has tradeoffs - to me weight is more important. Part of what makes this machine great is you can flip it open and (almost) instantly jump into being productive. Without 3G broadband built in - you have to flip down the cute USB door, plug in your dongle, and connect - the exact opposite of the desired experience.

Again, if not for the fan noise, I would be thrilled and would be keeping the machine. This is not to say that I agree with all the tradeoffs (no 3G, etc), but it would be more than acceptable in my view. Everyone has different values so if fan noise is not an issue for you - then this won't be a factor.

I own a Merom LED backlit MBP. I have had one previous version MBP and a MB and both of these machines had heating and fan issues especially in the early releases. The fans in my MBP sound like an aircraft when I am really exercising the CPU and the bottom could fry an egg - and this is far better than the previous MBP. I have also owned Thinkpad, Sony, Toshiba. Thinkpads generally run much cooler and quieter and my belief is that this is from better cooling design. Note - I am not saying they are better machines (the MBP is my favorite actually) - but some of them DO handle cooling more effectively. True the rear vents make the machine sexy - but one has to question if form over function is a reasonable tradeoff in all circumstances. The iPhone is a fabulous device that makes tradeoffs to form an <almost> perfect device for this point in time. The MacBook Air is very nice - but it is no iPhone of laptops. I think Apple can and will do better - maybe in 2nd or 3rd version (or silent revision). Personally my guess is that Apple really does not have the engineering experience with Intel laptops that the other manufacturers do and other manufactures don't have the product design magic that Apple does.

I hope this helps someone who is in a position to purchase or not in using the information to make his/her own decision. There are many posts that may say "my machine" doesn't do this or that - but the evidence here is that MANY machines DO exhibit some of these problems - and this is likely to be a real issue.
 

bcaslis

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Mar 11, 2008
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I won't disagree with your post, as you say noise is subjective. The fans do make noise at full volume but I don't find them bad.

I am curious though. Are you going from the MBA to the MBP which makes more noise at full tilt? Maybe I didn't understand correctly.

I will say I picked up one of the new MBP, and for heat, battery, and fans they are much better than previous versions. I find that the fans very rarely go above the default 2000 rpm. However with a 7200rpm HD and the two fans it is much louder than my MBA SSD.
 

jflamm

macrumors newbie
Mar 16, 2008
17
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I am curious though. Are you going from the MBA to the MBP which makes more noise at full tilt? Maybe I didn't understand correctly.

I will say I picked up one of the new MBP, and for heat, battery, and fans they are much better than previous versions. I find that the fans very rarely go above the default 2000 rpm. However with a 7200rpm HD and the two fans it is much louder than my MBA SSD.

Sorry for the confusion - the MBP makes significantly more noise (full tilt) than the MBA and when the fans are low - the MBA is practically silent.

However, I find the full-tilt noise (subjective) of the MBA more objectionable because it is so silent at base speed and because it is meant to be a "lifestyle" machine rather than a workhorse and therefore I find the noise bursts to be quite distracting.

I have also heard that the Penryn MBPs are quieter and cooler - and I am very pleased to hear that. I will most certainly upgrade in the near future - hopefully when they put in a larger trackpad and a Blu-ray drive option :)
 

manhorse

macrumors newbie
Mar 16, 2008
11
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I just got mine

I actually just my Macbook air yesterday to replace my 1st generation Macbook. So far I absolutely love this thing. Originally I was not impressed with the fact that this computer lacked in the area of a powerful processor. I then realized what my own habits with a laptop were and realized that Im not doing anything even close to needing a more powerful system. I do email, blogging, coding etc. So going for a light and durable laptop is a major advantage to me. I am very glad I decided to bite the bullet and get one!
 

thehuhman

macrumors member
Jan 28, 2008
78
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NC
I have a MacBook Air 1.6/SSD for about a month.

Given all this I will probably be getting rid of my machine due to the fan noise. I have read and reread many many posts about this and it most certainly IS an issue IF you are bothered by fan noise. All of the other minor issues I would gladly live with.

When the fan spins at the lowest speed (~2500 RPM) which is does a great deal of the time - the machine is practically silent and an absolute pleasure. If you are doing anything that exercises the CPU or blocking the fan outlet at all (ex/ using it in bed), the fan WILL spin up to 6200 RPM and at that speed it is (in my opinion) quite loud. Unfortunately this is not a rare occurrence, and for $2700 - not something I can rationalize when I know that these heat issues will most likely be addressed in a subsequent version (certainly with the 45nm upcoming parts).

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That's a shame about the fan problem on yours. Have you considered that maybe it is something that could be repaired by Apple? I've had my MBA for 6 weeks now, and I use it every day, in just about every conceivable way, and I've never experienced the fan issues. I've watched YouTube videos, I've transferred large files, I've worked on large files in PhotoShop CS3, and listened to music from I-tunes library. I have not used it in bed (thereby blocking the vents). Just wanted you to know that we are not ALL having that fan problem, and maybe there is a fix for yours, besides getting rid of the computer.:)
 

jflamm

macrumors newbie
Mar 16, 2008
17
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That's a shame about the fan problem on yours. Have you considered that maybe it is something that could be repaired by Apple? I've had my MBA for 6 weeks now, and I use it every day, in just about every conceivable way, and I've never experienced the fan issues. I've watched YouTube videos, I've transferred large files, I've worked on large files in PhotoShop CS3, and listened to music from I-tunes library. I have not used it in bed (thereby blocking the vents). Just wanted you to know that we are not ALL having that fan problem, and maybe there is a fix for yours, besides getting rid of the computer.:)

Are you saying that the fan never spins up to 6200 RPM? If this is the case then I certainly will consider getting it fixed. Note, it does spin back down and whether or not this is viewed as a "problem" is subjective - a valid interpretation is that it is normal behavior.
 

thehuhman

macrumors member
Jan 28, 2008
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NC
Are you saying that the fan never spins up to 6200 RPM? If this is the case then I certainly will consider getting it fixed. Note, it does spin back down and whether or not this is viewed as a "problem" is subjective - a valid interpretation is that it is normal behavior.

Honestly, I have never experienced the spinup you're talking about. I used to have a Dell Inspiron that did that, and it WAS annoying, so I was so relieved when I got this MBA. The first thing I liked about it, was that it was so quiet. It just seems that we are at opposite ends of this issue. And I would hate for you to "throw the baby out with the bath water" if it is really something that could be "fixed".:)
 

bcaslis

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Mar 11, 2008
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While under normal tasks the fan doesn't spin up to it's max. But under long videos, it will eventually get up to the max. It may take quite a while to do so, but it will eventually. Quicktime can go much longer before getting up to full speed than flash, but so far I've always seen this happen.
 

thehuhman

macrumors member
Jan 28, 2008
78
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NC
While under normal tasks the fan doesn't spin up to it's max. But under long videos, it will eventually get up to the max. It may take quite a while to do so, but it will eventually. Quicktime can go much longer before getting up to full speed than flash, but so far I've always seen this happen.

Well now, you've peaked my interest... to the point where I am going to do just that. I don't even have a full-length movie loaded on this computer. Will transfer something tonight, and give it a try. Thanks. :eek:
 

Alkiera

macrumors regular
Mar 11, 2008
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Even my MBA, which tends to run cooler/quieter than others, does spin up the fans under extended Flash video usage (YouTube, mostly, and not all videos, just some). It also does it when I'm using iMovie to export a decent-size video, or other similar tasks. It doesn't bother me too much, as even at 6000 rpm (mine doesn't go to 6200, just 6000), if I'm playing videos, I can't hear the fan over the audio. If I'm converting video, I understand and don't care.

I never have fan spinup playing any video but Flash-based stuff. Heck, I can download an FLV and play it in VLC with no problems, but in-browser it uses tons more CPU.

One thing that seems to be consistent is the SSD models seem more likely to spin up that way than the HD models. If it's the startup speed that you want, I can tell you that my HD model wakes up from sleep just as fast; I open it, swipe the touchpad to wake it up, and the screen is up waiting for password almost as soon as I get my hands to the home row.

Starting up cold is slow, but I almost never shut it all the way off.
 

bcaslis

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Mar 11, 2008
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Even my MBA, which tends to run cooler/quieter than others, does spin up the fans under extended Flash video usage (YouTube, mostly, and not all videos, just some). It also does it when I'm using iMovie to export a decent-size video, or other similar tasks. It doesn't bother me too much, as even at 6000 rpm (mine doesn't go to 6200, just 6000), if I'm playing videos, I can't hear the fan over the audio. If I'm converting video, I understand and don't care.

I never have fan spinup playing any video but Flash-based stuff. Heck, I can download an FLV and play it in VLC with no problems, but in-browser it uses tons more CPU.

One thing that seems to be consistent is the SSD models seem more likely to spin up that way than the HD models. If it's the startup speed that you want, I can tell you that my HD model wakes up from sleep just as fast; I open it, swipe the touchpad to wake it up, and the screen is up waiting for password almost as soon as I get my hands to the home row.

Starting up cold is slow, but I almost never shut it all the way off.

Thats interesting I would why an SSD model would tend to spin up the fan more? I have an SSD, I don't have any experience with the HD model.
 

thehuhman

macrumors member
Jan 28, 2008
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NC
Ouch!


What a terrible thing! I can picture that happening in my own home, as I have also left mine in that "pile" on the coffee table. And I live with a wife that has that SAME habit of "tidying up" all the time. Well, at least if it ever happens here, the fate will be that mine will be tossed in the recycle bin... and carrying that baby to the curb once a week is one of MY jobs. Whew! :D
 
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