10.10.3 Photos is a joke - iPhoto IS still there!

[Synchro3]

Thanks for your help. I never did download it, I bought it on DVD years ago. Seems like an 8 track nowadays.

Aha, ok. No further comment.

I was just able to use another iTunes account and the new version of iPhoto is available under purchases, but download isn't an option, just "update" and so far it's not done anything. I click on the update button and it greys out then nothing happens. If I go to another spot in the App store app, and go back to purchases it's not greyed out and pressing the update button again doesn't do anything but grey out the button.

[/COLOR]I'm afraid to uninstall it, for fear of not being able to reinstall it or have my library get funky if I uninstall it.

I tried moving it out of the applications folder to the desktop but the button didn't change to install (I did sign out and then back in).

AFAIK you can't install apps from different app store accounts in the same applications folder/OS X/Mac.

Install OS X on a new volume, sign in new installed OS X 10.10.3 with this other app store account, unmount the common volume, start the app store, and then install iPhoto (on the new volume). After this, mount the old volume, and copy the iPhoto app the your old partition. If that doesn't help copy your iPhoto library to the new volume.

 

[julianduqueg]

Photos App Is Just Confusing

I recently bought an iPhone 6 and turned on iCloud photos on it. It was all ok for a few weeks but then I started realizing that some of my old iPhone 5S photos appeared on there but some didn't. I thought this would be resolved with iOS 8.3 and the OS X update (which included the Photos app). Well.... it didn't.. it's all a total mess. Some of my photos are repeated, some aren't there, some appear every time I plug my phone into my laptop and I have to go in and delete them all if i want the space. it's very frustrating. Anyone know a solution? Should I just turn off the iCloud Photos thing?

Thank you!

 

[Lankyman]

That's all fine and dandy, but when you get caught in the fray like I am right now, it really, really stinks. Or if they were able to fix it that'd be okay too. The case has been escalated and is being evaluated by "engineering" right now so we'll see what they come up with.

I got iPhoto back by using my TM backup.

 

[bzollinger]

I got iPhoto back by using my TM backup.

I've got iPhoto but it's 8.3.1, and it's got the white cross through it. I've tried the newer version too, but it's without the updates to it doesn't work either...

I found a work around to get it to launch, but I'm hesitant to use it as I had been, when the app is in this state.

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Aha, ok. No further comment.



AFAIK you can't install apps from different app store accounts in the same applications folder/OS X/Mac.

Install OS X on a new volume, sign in new installed OS X 10.10.3 with this other app store account, unmount the common volume, start the app store, and then install iPhoto (on the new volume). After this, mount the old volume, and copy the iPhoto app the your old partition. If that doesn't help copy your iPhoto library to the new volume.

That might work, if I can pull it off, but wow what a mess! That's a lot of work to get an app that was good to go a week ago!

 

[KALLT]

I've got iPhoto but it's 8.3.1, and it's got the white cross through it. I've tried the newer version too, but it's without the updates to it doesn't work either...

I found a work around to get it to launch, but I'm hesitant to use it as I had been, when the app is in this state.

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That might work, if I can pull it off, but wow what a mess! That's a lot of work to get an app that was good to go a week ago!

You could try moving that iPhoto app out of applications, create a new user account and download it from there with that other Apple ID. After all, each user should have their own Apple ID for purchasing apps, so there should be no restriction in this case.

 

[bzollinger]

You could try moving that iPhoto app out of applications, create a new user account and download it from there with that other Apple ID. After all, each user should have their own Apple ID for purchasing apps, so there should be no restriction in this case.

That was a good idea. I just tried it, moved iPhoto out of the applications folder to the desktop of primary user, created another account (admin priveleges), logged in with the new account, setup alternate iCloud account, went to app store> purchases and same thing, only update, no install, and clicking update doesn't do anything...

Thanks for the idea though!

 

[Synchro3]

That was a good idea. I just tried it, moved iPhoto out of the applications folder to the desktop of primary user, created another account (admin priveleges), logged in with the new account, setup alternate iCloud account, went to app store> purchases and same thing, only update, no install, and clicking update doesn't do anything...

Thanks for the idea though!

Yeah, because app store scans all volumes of your Mac for apps, not only the applications folder of your start volume. That's why i wrote to use a new volume and to unmount all old volumes. They have to be invisible for app store.

 

[bzollinger]

Yeah, because app store scans all volumes of your Mac for apps, not only the applications folder of your start volume. That's why i wrote to use a new volume and to unmount all old volumes. They have to be invisible for app store.

Okay, that makes sense. If I get more desperate, I'll give that a go. Thanks for the follow up and the information.

 

[KALLT]

That was a good idea. I just tried it, moved iPhoto out of the applications folder to the desktop of primary user, created another account (admin priveleges), logged in with the new account, setup alternate iCloud account, went to app store> purchases and same thing, only update, no install, and clicking update doesn't do anything...

Thanks for the idea though!

That is indeed strange. Maybe you should attempt to clear your system of some iPhoto files. Copy the iPhoto.app to a safe location, open Launchpad, hold the option key and delete iPhoto from there.

Also delete the following folders/files:
~/Library/Containers/com.apple.iPhoto/
~/Library/Preferences/com.apple.iPhoto.plist
~/Library/Preferences/com.apple.iPhoto.LSSharedFileList.plist

Your iPhoto library in the Pictures folder should not pose a problem, so there is probably no harm in keeping it.

Next, open the Terminal app and type in:

pkgutil --pkgs

Now you will get a list of installed package receipts, including the ones you installed from the App Store. There should be a package for iPhoto, in my case “com.apple.pkg.iPhoto_AppStore”. If so, type in the following command:

sudo pkgutil --forget com.apple.pkg.iPhoto_AppStore

You will be prompted to enter your password. This function will remove the BOM and plist files from /private/var/db/receipts/.

After that, your system should be clear of iPhoto files and you should be able to install it again from the App Store and start using it normally, since the crucial files are in your iPhoto library anyway. If not then you should still be able to use the iPhoto.app you saved earlier. I can definitely confirm that you can install it again if it’s in your purchased tab.

 

[simonsi]

I recently bought an iPhone 6 and turned on iCloud photos on it. It was all ok for a few weeks but then I started realizing that some of my old iPhone 5S photos appeared on there but some didn't.

I think I've had that issue before, I think it was always a Photostream issue.

 

[smoking monkey]

I think people need to remember this is the first version of the app. It will get updated and slowly have more functions added. ATM I think they just wanted the thing to work because it's such and important app. If there is something missing in the app that iPhoto had, it's quite possible it is coming. Or email Apple and let them know what your gripes are and what you'd like added.

 

[simonsi]

I think people need to remember this is the first version of the app.

That would be fine if it was a new app. Would you be happy if when you bought a car it was a Model T and a promise to improve it? No. You expect new cars to be better than the cars before from the time of launch.

Photos was specifically to replace two existing apps in the Apple app line up, to have it so woefully short of existing functions in the other apps is unjustifiable IMHO.

 

[bzollinger]

That is indeed strange. Maybe you should attempt to clear your system of some iPhoto files. Copy the iPhoto.app to a safe location, open Launchpad, hold the option key and delete iPhoto from there.

Also delete the following folders/files:
~/Library/Containers/com.apple.iPhoto/
~/Library/Preferences/com.apple.iPhoto.plist
~/Library/Preferences/com.apple.iPhoto.LSSharedFileList.plist

Your iPhoto library in the Pictures folder should not pose a problem, so there is probably no harm in keeping it.

Next, open the Terminal app and type in:

pkgutil --pkgs

Now you will get a list of installed package receipts, including the ones you installed from the App Store. There should be a package for iPhoto, in my case “com.apple.pkg.iPhoto_AppStore”. If so, type in the following command:

sudo pkgutil --forget com.apple.pkg.iPhoto_AppStore

You will be prompted to enter your password. This function will remove the BOM and plist files from /private/var/db/receipts/.

After that, your system should be clear of iPhoto files and you should be able to install it again from the App Store and start using it normally, since the crucial files are in your iPhoto library anyway. If not then you should still be able to use the iPhoto.app you saved earlier. I can definitely confirm that you can install it again if it’s in your purchased tab.

Thanks for the info, it's really great.

 

[Merode]

Photos app is a joke. I really wanted to like it but I can't.

Disadvantages of Photos:

• Removed geotagging
• Removed map view which was cool for looking for holiday photos
• Removed many slideshows, including Indiana Jones like travel slideshow
• Removed switching libraries from within App (you have to keep "option" pressed while launching app to do this now)
• Tagging faces near image's edges is now near-impossible
• Star system is gone
• Removed unedited version preview with shift press while in editing mode. You have to revert to original to compare versions now.
• Application is surprisingly slow, especially tagging faces if you have lots of them.
• Application lag is especially severe if your library is on JetDrive. It still lags on SSD.
• Removed rotation gesture. You have to go into editing mode to rotate picture.

Advantages of Photos:

• Much better face recognition
• Quite cool moments view.

This is coming from Apple's fanboy's mouth. This app is worse than Microsoft's apps. It repels me.

If this is going to be new trend in Apple's software, I'm not buying another Mac. Their software was their differentiator.

EDIT: And this app crashes more than old Windows 98.

 

[KALLT]

Photos app is a joke. I really wanted to like it but I can't.

Disadvantages of Photos:

• Removed geotagging
• Removed map view which was cool for looking for holiday photos
• Removed many slideshows, including Indiana Jones like - travel slideshow
• Removed switching libraries from within App (you have to keep "option" pressed while launching app to do this now)
• Tagging faces near images edges is now near-impossible
• Star system is gone
• Removed unedited version preview with shift press while in editing mode. You have to revert to original to compare versions now.
• Application is surprisingly slow, especially tagging faces if you have lots of them.
• Application lag is especially severe if your library is on JetDrive. It still lags on SSD.
• Removed rotation gesture. You have to go into editing mode to rotate picture.

Advantages of Photos:

• Much better face recognition
• Quite cool moments view.

This is coming from Apple's fanboy's mouth. This app is worse than Microsoft's apps. It repels me.

If this is going to be new trend in Apple's software, I'm not buying another Mac. Their software was their differentiator.

Thanks for the list. I actually didn't notice that you can't rotate pictures anymore, now that I know, I'm baffled by it. This used to be the kind of neat wee touch that Apple is, or was, admired for.

 

[roland.g]

I don't like the white background. I prefer the ability to choose the background.

But bigger than that I hate Collections on my iPhone and the mosaic of year and month view. I prefer the Camera Roll and Photostream Albums. So on my Mac I always view by either events or photos, but when viewing by photos, I sort by film rolls which are essentially events, and then I use the carrots to collapse all film rolls (which could be named) to a single line. I could scroll through the library with the overlay of month and year, and open a particular film roll. Now it it one massive mess. Because the iOS version already sucked.

Likewise I also have two libraries now, an iPhoto library and a Photos library of nearly equivalent size, and yet I don't seem to have less space on my HDD. Seeing as a I had 59 GB free before the update and now I have two 95 GB libraries, duplicating my iPhoto library would have run out space. But I doubt I can delete the old library as it seems to link to it.

 

[jk73]

Photos app is a joke. I really wanted to like it but I can't.

Disadvantages of Photos:

• Removed geotagging

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  Everyone who wants geotagging brought back, please take 30 seconds and send feedback here:
  
  http://www.apple.com/feedback/photos.html
  
  Maybe it's not a lost cause.

 

[oldmacs]

Photos is an even bigger junk heap than the latest massive iWork update...

- It is buggy and slow (even more so than iPhoto)
- Places is gone
- the only main window view option is the stupid 'all photos'.
- Can't edit or create new events
- no option for a constant present and convenient info window
- very very inflexible for different navigation options

They are just a few of the issues, and reasons I'm staying with iPhoto (After a massive stuff around to get iphoto working under 10.10.3.. Wish they'd just given iPhoto an awesome update.

 

[Merode]

Everyone who wants geotagging brought back, please take 30 seconds and send feedback here:

http://www.apple.com/feedback/photos.html

Maybe it's not a lost cause.

Just did that and submitted "a few" more suggestions.

 

[GlenK]

There are a large number of people posting things that you can't do that CAN be done. The more I study and learn the more I like it.

Here is an excellent guide that someone posted that clears up confusion on a number of issues.

http://www.imore.com/how-use-photos-os-x-ultimate-guide

 

[RiderX]

When you start Photos the first time, it just looks like a dumb IOS App. That's where all the frustration comes from.

I created a dummy iPhoto library with a few albums and photos. Then I converted this library and started playing. Actually, most of all the iPhoto features are still present. Editing seems to be improved.

I suggest to use a dummy library for your first tests, and not your 50GB library of your life. Then play for a day and decide yourself. It is worth to use the dummy library parallel with iPhoto and Photos to compare what has changed or what is still similar.

It isn't as bad as it seems at first sight.

 

[roadbloc]

How does Photos compare to... say... iPhoto 4 which is what I use for my photo collection? Just out of sheer curiosity. I'm not a big photo collector and have stuck to an older version of iPhoto because the newer versions felt bloated and slow. With Apple in a habit of dumbing down apps recently, is Photos clean and snappy or still feeling bloated like iPhoto became?

 

[hxlover904]

I had high hopes for Photos but man... what a dog of an app.
I really don't see anything that special about the editing features & as a library tool it totally & utterly sucks.
Moments are just a joke.
Example... On one date it has combined all the photos my daughter took while goofing off with the iPad with the photos I took for work on my 5D.
I cannot split these without having to create Albums.
And hello... I NEED to see file/image names under the images...
Also when I see my iPhoto events how the hell do I change the sort order to newest first? Every time I go looking for my newest event I have to scroll through over 1,700 events.

Worryingly when I then opened iPhoto it gave me an alert splash-screen that said something about my library now being converted to Photos so choose a library...

Memo to Apple... I did not spend nearly 4K on a desktop machine to have it act like a giant iPad...

if you go into view->metadata->titles, it brings back the titles of the images and allows you to add titles.

 

[jk73]

When you start Photos the first time, it just looks like a dumb IOS App. That's where all the frustration comes from.

I created a dummy iPhoto library with a few albums and photos. Then I converted this library and started playing. Actually, most of all the iPhoto features are still present. Editing seems to be improved.

I suggest to use a dummy library for your first tests, and not your 50GB library of your life. Then play for a day and decide yourself. It is worth to use the dummy library parallel with iPhoto and Photos to compare what has changed or what is still similar.

It isn't as bad as it seems at first sight.

Well, "It isn't as bad as it seems" isn't much of an endorsement for an app that was in the works for a year. The inability to add or edit locations, alone, makes Photos all but unusable for me.

 

[2010mini]

iPhoto was bloated and slow. Photos works so much better