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Historically, the OSes continue to support machines up to 5 years old. I call BS on this rumor.
Sadly, Apple seems to be reducing this to ~ 3 years (standard for consumer systems, though Microsoft goes past this for OS support, as without that, they'd loose money).

On the MP's for example, the '06 - '07 systems are EFI32. They lost support for some of the more recent graphics cards in 2009 (nVidia cards are EFI64 based, and will not work). ATI's products use EBC, which is why they've continued to be usable.

10.6 is an interim product, as it contains support for both K32 and K64, and Apple has stated they're not going to do this for long (they need to get the libraries converted to 64 bit). Once done, K32 will vanish.

What you have to remember, is Support = money, and Apple is cheap. Nor do they make anything on supporting old hardware, so it's in their best interest to reduce the support period in order to "encourage" Mac users to upgrade their machines more often (where they do make money). ;)

Apple did not update Mac Pro EFI to support new GPU's.

They will not update EFI to support new OS either.

2010 Mac Pro already started booting default to 64bit.


My bet is that 10.7 will req 64bit EFI and that will not let you install it on a 2006, 2007 or 2008 Mac Pro.
If they've finished the libraries, then K32 support will be gone (ridding OS X of it, will be cheaper and easier for Apple). If not 10.7, 10.8 for sure. As it's already mentioned, the 2010 systems default to K64, which is a significant indicator as to the direction they're going IMO (and have stated they're going this route - it was on the front page of MR at the time - , which seems to have been forgotten).
 
Sadly, Apple seems to be reducing this to ~ 3 years (standard for consumer systems, though Microsoft goes past this for OS support, as without that, they'd loose money).

On the MP's for example, the '06 - '07 systems are EFI32. They lost support for some of the more recent graphics cards in 2009 (nVidia cards are EFI64 based, and will not work). ATI's products use EBC, which is why they've continued to be usable.

10.6 is an interim product, as it contains support for both K32 and K64, and Apple has stated they're not going to do this for long (they need to get the libraries converted to 64 bit). Once done, K32 will vanish.

What you have to remember, is Support = money, and Apple is cheap. Nor do they make anything on supporting old hardware, so it's in their best interest to reduce the support period in order to "encourage" Mac users to upgrade their machines more often (where they do make money). ;)


If they've finished the libraries, then K32 support will be gone (ridding OS X of it, will be cheaper and easier for Apple). If not 10.7, 10.8 for sure. As it's already mentioned, the 2010 systems default to K64, which is a significant indicator as to the direction they're going IMO (and have stated they're going this route - it was on the front page of MR at the time - , which seems to have been forgotten).

The video card support issue is entirely different. It has nothing to do with whether the OS supports systems that are 5 years old or not. I haven't seen anything to suggest that Apple only supports computers ~3 years old for OS upgrades.

As for the K32 vs K64, I suspect you may be correct. But, by the time, Apple drops K32, the Mac Pro 1,1 and 2,1s will probably be over 5 years old.
 
The video card support issue is entirely different. It has nothing to do with whether the OS supports systems that are 5 years old or not. I haven't seen anything to suggest that Apple only supports computers ~3 years old for OS upgrades.

As for the K32 vs K64, I suspect you may be correct. But, by the time, Apple drops K32, the Mac Pro 1,1 and 2,1s will probably be over 5 years old.
Support is all of it though, not just one part (OS or hardware). If enterprise purchasers saw a vendor that said "We'll offer OS support for 5 years, but hardware for 3 years", the response would be "Thanks, but go fly a kite...". They'd buy elsewhere if something like that were to actually happen.

They tend not to be able to buy every single system needed at once, so span the purchases over time. For integration, they need access to the same exact hardware during all the purchases. This also means that hardware upgrades need to be possible for the full MTBR planned for the system to keep the cost/year for the intended performance level (can't afford to replace workstations as rapidly as business machines used for say Office type applications like word processing and whatnot, so the MTBR is longer than a consumer system).

Yet Apple tends to treat thier workstation and server system hardware like consumer machines, and keep it to 3. Not good, but since it's looked at as a closed system, they figure they've users "over a barrel" as it were, and feel they can get away with it.

Perhaps a minor technicality to some, but as budgets are being tightened and system costs increasing, I expect it to become more prominent for Apple's Enterprise/Professional customers as well.
 
It better run on my Mac Pro as it has the power and a stupid block by Apple to make it not work would piss me off lol :D I can't afford £2000 for new one just because they want me to buy another one
 
It better run on my Mac Pro as it has the power and a stupid block by Apple to make it not work would piss me off lol :D I can't afford £2000 for new one just because they want me to buy another one

Do you really NEED the upgrade?

Personally, I don't see the point of upgrading the OS almost every year anyway.
If the new OS'es wouldn't ship with a new computer, I'd probably still be on Tiger.
 
Speaking of XP I turned my late 2009 mini 2.66 into an XP Pro only machine. It's the nicest XP machine I've ever had. 4GB RAM is perfect for XP, and XP reports that the 9300M graphics card is using 512MB of shared RAM instead of the 256MB that OS X allows it. The remaining 3.5GB is more than XP 32-bit can use.

After loading the Bootcamp drivers from one of the mini's CDs all functions work perfectly on my XP only mini.

Speaking of new Mac OSs I too am looking forward to 10.7. I don't really want all that social networking/app store crap but if it offers actual improved performance and (God forbid) windows that can be resized from any corner (like Windows) I'll be glad to buy and install it.
 
Looks like it will be time to put together another Windows box after all. If 10.7 won't install on my early 08 Mac Pro I'm done with Apple. I love the OS, but I'm getting really, really tired of their blatant money grabbing, forced obsolescence. What's that Steveo? I can't even have a wallpaper on my 3G with iOS4? Interesting. It works perfectly fine when my 3G is jailbroken, but miraculously it causes a stock 3G to explode? Oh... I see. I'm supposed to buy an iPhone 4. Gotcha. Go piss up a rope Steveo.
 
Oh yes. You all had better replace your pre-2009 Mac Pros. LOL

I hope they're reading this thread in Cupertino. It will give them something to laugh about.

This thread is absolute idiocy.
 
When 10.7 comes out, we don't HAVE to upgrade to it. Our computers wont implode if we keep using Snow Leopard. if this rumour is true and pre 2009 Mac Pros wont work with it then don't upgrade to it. Theres nothing wrong with not having the latest OS. I still have 10.3.9 in my old iMac because i have no reason to upgrade it.

I probably wont buy 10.7 because i simply don't need it. Plus i don't want to have to change any software that wont run on it. I'll wait till 10.8, and if that wont work on my 2009 Mac Pro i'll wait until i need to upgrade the computer. By then OS11 will probably be out (and i cant think of anymore appropriate animals to call it, maybe it'l be called... ermm....hamster).
 
This thread is absolute idiocy.

Absolutely. It doesn't make any sense whatsoever to make any hasty conclusions at this stage. There is no evidence for this at all, so don't jump the gun and just keep working with your current systems.
 
Oh yes. You all had better replace your pre-2009 Mac Pros. LOL

I hope they're reading this thread in Cupertino. It will give them something to laugh about.

This thread is absolute idiocy.

I'm not saying that when 10.7 hits I'm rushing out to turn my early 08 into a boat anchor and replace it with a new comp. I'm just saying that if Apple wants to effectively kill off three year-old hardware, I'm done with them and when I do need to upgrade, it sure as hell will not be a new Apple.
 
My friend bob down the street, he likes to mow our grass on the weekends, told me today that there will be some fancy new wireless usb with 10.7, I can't believe they'd so such a thing *throws hands up in the air*.



:D haha
 
Lion for 64bit computers only. Since anything with EFI32 will not boot a 64bit kernel. That means 09 and up only.

from what I hear recently.
 
Lion for 64bit computers only. Since anything with EFI32 will not boot a 64bit kernel. That means 09 and up only.

from what I hear recently.

the front page reports it requires a 64-bit processor (Core 2) and says nothing about the EFI. every Mac Pro has a 64-bit processor. even if it does require EFI64, that only obsoletes the 2006/2007 model.
 
I don't really like how the Mac Pro 1,1 which says 64-bit on the box is going to be obsoleted probably through its EFI eventually I guess with 10.8 :( I still have a 500MHz TiBook that runs 10.4 but I'd like to be able to run the latest OS as well :D without buying £2k machines all the time lol
 
the front page reports it requires a 64-bit processor (Core 2) and says nothing about the EFI. every Mac Pro has a 64-bit processor. even if it does require EFI64, that only obsoletes the 2006/2007 model.

It wont require EFI64, since so many other, non-Pro Macs have EFI32, AFAIK as late as early 2009 (Possibly Late 08, Im not too sure about this one). Id say 10.8 will be EFI64(Because by 2012/13 Apple can "justify" killing off Machines that were last sold in January '08) and then 10.9 will require a 2009/2010 (ie Nehalem) Mac Pro.
 
Maybe the group of guys that get Mac OS X running on PCs will be able to work around the EFI 32 limit when 10.8 comes around? It will suck when people who haven't bought Macs will be running it and I won't lol :rolleyes:
 
I'm pretty sure that older Mac Pros can run 64-bit windows (including the kernel). If a certain version of OS X cannot run on these machines because it requires a 64-bit kernel, if would be a shame.

Anyway, Lion requires a 64-bit processor, not a 64-bit firmware. Note that all first-gen core 2 Macs shipped with a 32-bit EFI, and that's a lot of machines.
 
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I'm pretty sure that older Mac Pros can run 64-bit windows (including the kernel). If a certain version of OS X cannot run on these machines because it requires a 64-bit kernel, if would be a shame.

Anyway, Lion require a 64-bit processor, not a 64-bit firmware. Note that all first-gen core 2 Macs shipped with a 32-bit EFI.

Frankly, 64-bit Windows and Ubuntu run fine on 2006 Mac Pros but for some reason, they cannot boot into 64-bit kernel in Snow Leopard.
 
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