11900k Reviews and discussion

[I7guy]

Office apps are a push, and you're right, Intel or Ryzen, you'll not see a huge difference. Games is a toss up as well - In some games Ryzen will beat out Intel, and other games vice versa. There's only a few percentage points between either one for those use cases.

Running Vms However, that's where Ryzen will shine - The more cores/threads the better for VMs Take a look at the Ryzen 5900x it has 12 cores and 24 threads, where as the 11900k only has 8 cores and 16 threads. Even the 5800x which has the same core/thread count of the 11900k but largely out performs the i9 in nearly every category, it also runs cooler and consumes less power. And the kicker, its less expensive.

If you want intel, that's fine, its a personal decision, but I don't think you can argue that the I9 11900k is a worthy contender. As Gamer Nexus stated, its a waste of sand. I agree, In nearly every category the 11900k is inferior to both AMD and even Intel's last generation the 10900k

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I agree the price of the i9 is off the charts and reflects the recent introduction and is priced way too high. At $613 it's over $100 more than I paid for my 10900K, and totally not worth it for my purposes, imo. Let's ignore the price or assume the 11900K will come down shortly.

For the VM use case, it depends how the virtual machines are configured. How much memory per vm, how many cores per vm and what is the cpu usage component of the vm. A higher ipc count such as rocket lake could benefit heavy cpu usage vms, while the lack of cores relative to an AMD could be issue in certain workloads.

Don't even know where I am going with this, except one should due their due diligence. Price, capacity and capabilities, platform are all things to consider. Youtubers rants not withstanding, rocket lake at the price it is, for me is totally not worth it. Bring it down $100+, now it might be worth it.

 

[maflynn]

how many cores per vm

No question and that's why AMD has a built in advantage, simply because you generally get more cores/threads and thus have a level of flexibility to build/run your VMs in a variety of ways.

I found for my needs and uses the I5 both the 10th gen and 11th gen to be a much better buy then the i9. Less heat, less power, but the cost vs. processing power is in a sweet spot that fits in. As I mentioned if my CPU/Mobo wasn't defective I'd be rocking with intel. That failure for me was a blessing in disguise, simply because I wasn't willing to accept AMD, but I really do feel that the lower power consumption, lower heat but more more cores/threads of the 3700x is a win in my build. My PC is all but silent in an ITX case using air cooling. The only noise is when I play games and the GPU fans spin up. CPU temps are still low enough that the cpu and case fans are not noticable.

 

[maflynn]

Info related to OCing the 11900k (and 11600k). I'm not a big fan of over clocking but anyone wanting one of these and over clock, this may be a bit helpful

 

[maflynn]

This is a good video and offers a nice balanced perspective

 

[ADGrant]

One reviewer had this to say:

"The Intel Core i9-11900K is a pathetic, embarrassing CPU that underperforms versus Intel's own 10900K. The 11600K is worthy of attention as a good value, but not the 11900K."

He described the 11700 as a "waste of sand"

 

[I7guy]

A little less over the top. But I find this channel very good:

 

[maflynn]

I wouldn't recommend this, but I found it fascinating to watch

I queued up the video to about 10:40 of when he actually delid the 11990k Prior that in the video he was doing prep work and attempting to break the glue seal of the IHS

 

[I7guy]

I wouldn't recommend this, but I found it fascinating to watch

I queued up the video to about 10:40 of when he actually delid the 11990k Prior that in the video he was doing prep work and attempting to break the glue seal of the IHS

When one has a youtube channel and has $$$ to burn on experiments like this more power to them. I've seen delidding videos for the 10900K and it was quite interesting.

 

[Steve Adams]

I have the 10900 in my xps workstation. It's PLENTY fast if you are not looking at benchmarks. Everything is instant. It powers through anything I throw at it really. My only issue with my dell is that the tiny cooler they put on it does not stay quiet. A couple of bucks for some new noctua cooling items and it will be silent and fast. I think it's funny to buy new processors etc every year. I also laugh at people getting bent out of shape over benchmarking numbers between processors. I like tests of real world programs to judge performance.

the 11900k does seem like an intel misstep at this time. That being said, I don't think intel is anywhere from "being done" like the haters claim. They have some stuff cooking and will be released soon.

 

[c0ppo]

I like tests of real world programs to judge performance.

Sorry, I couldn't resist it

 

[maflynn]

the 11900k does seem like an intel misstep at this time. That being said, I don't think intel is anywhere from "being done" like the haters claim. They have some stuff cooking and will be released soon.

They're not done, but they've dug themselves into a hole and if Alder Lake is no better then Rocket Lake then things will be getting much worse for them

 

[Steve Adams]

I agree, but all the claims the AMD stuff is faster and the M1, Both are much slower in the work that I do. I cannot find the graphs, but in photo/video/graphics creation the intels are still faster than both the other. In gaming amd is faster. in battery life, M1 has intel beat, but not by much on most systems now.

 

[I7guy]

I have the 10900 in my xps workstation. It's PLENTY fast if you are not looking at benchmarks. Everything is instant. It powers through anything I throw at it really. My only issue with my dell is that the tiny cooler they put on it does not stay quiet. A couple of bucks for some new noctua cooling items and it will be silent and fast. I think it's funny to buy new processors etc every year. I also laugh at people getting bent out of shape over benchmarking numbers between processors. I like tests of real world programs to judge performance.

the 11900k does seem like an intel misstep at this time. That being said, I don't think intel is anywhere from "being done" like the haters claim. They have some stuff cooking and will be released soon.

Intels' 11900K and some other cpus seems like there was more than meets the eye though the lens of the youtubers:

- new internal graphics processor
- AVX512 (https://www.prowesscorp.com/what-is-intel-avx-512-and-why-does-it-matter/)
- better ipc
- less cores than the 10900 (well I guess that's an added feature)

Not one of the videos that "reviewed" the 11900K showed a workload that was comparable to my use case. Yeah it's great with all the benchmarks and all the games, and business apps and I know if I have to run those benchmarks what to expect. But unless my daily use case matches those benchmarks, I wouldn't buy a cpu based on those benchmarks.

 

[Steve Adams]

I would not buy any computer based on benchmarks. Real world useage for my use case is the ONLY way I would buy any computer. Like I said, I was going to buy an M1. A 16gb ram pro version. Until I watched some videos regarding video processing and it fell flat on it's face. I was willing to endure the seering pain of using MacOS again to have the speed and efficiency of it. But, after seeing the video where the guy puts up his 12k puget computer, an xps 13 16gb, an M1 16gb and a 40k MacPro. The deal was done with my XPS workstation. I have to add some more ram etc but the computer is FAST at video editing.

 

[I7guy]

The puget computers are expensive. They are expensive due to puget is a custom systems integrator. I looked at their website, they use the same off-the-shelf components a mere mortal can buy.

Threadrippers have their place, but not in my use case. They probably wouldn't speed up my games or vms. But if my livelihood and $$$, where time is money, depended on a configuration like that. I would buy the appropriate components to my use case.

I have video editing software that I haven't tried. Most of my stuff is still on spinners and haven't moved over to the nvme storage yet. But as was said the 10900K is fast enough for my use at this point in time.

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[Steve Adams]

I did say he paid 12K for the puget. but he also paid 40k for the mac pro which was only faster in each test by a few seconds. The M1 was just molasses editing videos. His puget was from 2018 and his mac pro from 2020. Makes it even harder to swallow to shell out 40k on a box that saves you a few seconds. But hey, you get to crow that you paid 500 bucks for your wheels.

Here are three screen shots from the video showing workflow times.

What is really interesting is the fact that in the last test, the 40k mac pro would not even work, but the M1 did it. It took forever, but it did it.

 

[Janichsan]

I did say he paid 12K for the puget. but he also paid 40k for the mac pro which was only faster in each test by a few seconds. The M1 was just molasses editing videos. His puget was from 2018 and his mac pro from 2020. Makes it even harder to swallow to shell out 40k on a box that saves you a few seconds. But hey, you get to crow that you paid 500 bucks for your wheels.

Here are three screen shots from the video showing workflow times.

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What is really interesting is the fact that in the last test, the 40k mac pro would not even work, but the M1 did it. It took forever, but it did it.

I gather they haven't used M1 native versions of the programs, have they?

 

[Steve Adams]

Yes it was.

 

[Steve Adams]

The m1 is not a heavy hitter in the power department. it can do light stuff very fast, but chokes under heavy use.

 

[maflynn]

The m1 is not a heavy hitter in the power department. it can do light stuff very fast, but chokes under heavy use.

AFAIK, the M1 isn't designed to be a heavy hitter, being in the MBA and Mini. Still those numbers are impressive, and Apple is seemingly winning the PR battle with the M1. I'm more interested in seeing the 15/16" MBP and what the M1X (or what ever Apple will call it) can do, as the 15/16" MBP is Apple's workhorse.

 

[Steve Adams]

I understand that the M1 is not supposed to be, the numbers are not impressive considering the marketing spin behind the Mjesus chip. Apple themselves claim it's faster than 99 percent of windows x86 based chips and has better battery life than 99 percent. Both statements are 100 percent false. Apple fans run with this nonsense and spew false information because god tim told them it's true.

 

[I7guy]

I understand that the M1 is not supposed to be, the numbers are not impressive considering the marketing spin behind the Mjesus chip. Apple themselves claim it's faster than 99 percent of windows x86 based chips and has better battery life than 99 percent. Both statements are 100 percent false. Apple fans run with this nonsense and spew false information because god tim told them it's true.

The numbers in that one use case are not impressive. Use cases that depend on cores and multi-threading, put up against a threadripper, or even the new xeon 40 core chip, the m1 will lose. The m1 (although I don't have one) was never meant to compete in space dominated by cores.

Why the mac pro couldn't finish the last test, I would like to know why.

 

[Ethosik]

Intel still has stability and compatibility. AMD still every few years encounters some odd issue. Recently there were USB issues - and all my friends that have AMD processors noticed it. JayZ also mentions this in a recent video on why people would still choose Intel.

 

[Steve Adams]

The numbers in that one use case are not impressive. Use cases that depend on cores and multi-threading, put up against a threadripper, or even the new xeon 40 core chip, the m1 will lose. The m1 (although I don't have one) was never meant to compete in space dominated by cores.

Why the mac pro couldn't finish the last test, I would like to know why.

Your comments just proved my point. It's not a powerhouse. its not faster than 99 percent of laptops running windows. It was touted by Apple to be the be all end all of processing power in a laptop. Making a claim of being faster than 99 percent of windows based laptops is a rediculous marketing ploy to make the fan base drool and go bonkers.

I use these programs, intel smokes the M1 doing this type of work. I agree on the MacPro. the video presenter did not have an answer either. he said it just choked out.

 

[I7guy]

Your comments just proved my point. It's not a powerhouse. its not faster than 99 percent of laptops running windows. It was touted by Apple to be the be all end all of processing power in a laptop. Making a claim of being faster than 99 percent of windows based laptops is a rediculous marketing ploy to make the fan base drool and go bonkers.

I use these programs, intel smokes the M1 doing this type of work. I agree on the MacPro. the video presenter did not have an answer either. he said it just choked out.

You're taking my comments and making them a general use case. Video editing is one pro use case that can be very demanding.

From what I have seen in some different benchmark use cases the m1 will beat out intel based laptops, maybe with speed/performance, but certainly with battery life. This may not be true across the board 100%, but it's hard to argue the m1 for many, provides a bump in usability due to speed and battery life.

Take a system board with high end off-the shelf components, latest generation (pci-4), fast memory, lots of cores, big cooling, big power supply etc., these systems will win in certain workloads. And who knows if whatever Apple has up it's sleeve with the "m1x/m2/m2x" will be able to ever beat these types of systems. We won't know until it gets there.