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And you did not get the point. If your own opinion about the iPad (or anything else to this matter) was the only things that mattered to you, you probably would not go to forums to defend the device.

As a tech geek and early adopting gadget guy, I absolutely love discussing the companies and products. I could skip all the negativity, but at least when I post my opinion my signature tells everyone who I am, so I'm not stirring the pot anonymously.

Who are the haters?

It's easy to spot the people who jump into every other thread here to say something negative, whether it applies or not.
 
drjsway said:
Because netbooks are crap that are not even worth $100. Cramped keyboard, crappy screen (they are all $15 screens whereas the iPad uses an $100 screen), tiny trackpad, horrible processor (seriously, why torture yourself with an atom. The MBA has a C2D and the iPad runs a mobile OS built for processors of this speed)

The MBA is around the same weight as a netbook. It can also run Windows 7. I had a Lenovo netbook and wanted to chuck it against a wall.

So you think that netbooks are competing against the MBA? Personally, I love my asus eee 1005ha. Obviously i don't render video using handbrake, but for web browsing, most windows app the atom processor is strong enough. To each their own, but instead of a MBA, you could get a netbook, iPad, and equivalent laptop, although i would skip he laptop and pocket $700.

Sorry you have had trouble with your windows based laptops.
 
diabolic said:
I could skip all the negativity, but at least when I post my opinion my signature tells everyone who I am, so I'm not stirring the pot anonymously.

Well actually you are on the iPad, since it doesn't support flash :)
 
That's about the most inane spin I've seen put forth yet to explain away the iPad's popularity. Congrats on reaching a new low for haters. :rolleyes:

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You can not deny that netbooks and iPad are used for mostly the same purposes (couch www browsing) and netbooks actually do at least as good job as iPad. This CNET review shows that netbooks are at least as fast and in many cases much faster at browsing than iPad.

I have used both and I can tell you that you are wrong: The iPad does a better job at all the things it is intended to do than any netbook I've seen.
 
I can imagine a SyFy movie with a cool device that look a like to iPad, can't imagine though a guy carrying a huge notebook around and trying to disable laser field.
 
Too bad it isnt running windows? Seriously? LOL

Yeah, just what most of us want, to run a power hogging additional application for virus protection. Wait for it to start up, shut down. Yawn.

Typical Windows hater - guess what, I don't run Anti-Virus, haven't done so for the past 5 years at least. I did an online scan recently, and nope, no malware in sight.
 
Typical Windows hater - guess what, I don't run Anti-Virus, haven't done so for the past 5 years at least. I did an online scan recently, and nope, no malware in sight.

Congrats on being one of the fortuitous few. Maybe you should play the lottery, you sound like a lucky guy. :D
 
Congrats on being one of the fortuitous few. Maybe you should play the lottery, you sound like a lucky guy. :D

I actually have seen quite a few schools which only run on demand file scanning when a document is opened - and all executables banned. They don't run AV protection on the network, haven't been for past 3 years.
 
Wow, this is a bad thread. Back to the original post, about half his reasons translate to "I like it more," but the other half are valid.

A netbook is a small cheap laptop. You may buy one because it's small, or you may buy one because it's cheap. They are not automatically bad, and they have a lot of things in common with iPads in terms of specs.

The user interface and experience is completely different, though, and the only way to miss that fact is if you have avoided physically seeing an iPad or giving thought to online images of the iPad and focused exclusively on reading specs on paper; or if you are determined not to like the iPad for whatever reason.
 
So you think that netbooks are competing against the MBA? Personally, I love my asus eee 1005ha. Obviously i don't render video using handbrake, but for web browsing, most windows app the atom processor is strong enough. To each their own, but instead of a MBA, you could get a netbook, iPad, and equivalent laptop, although i would skip he laptop and pocket $700.

Sorry you have had trouble with your windows based laptops.

I didn't say netbooks are competing against the MBA. I said the only reason to choose one over it is price, and that price is the only advantage a netbook has.

Here are, in my opinions, big flaws of netbooks.

1. The aspect ratio. Netbooks should have a 4x3 aspect ratio and a 1024x768 resolution (which would give it 28% more vertical lines). For most computing tasks, vertical screen real estate is more important than horizontal. Widescreens are better for multi-tasking and having two windows side by side but serves no purpose on such a small screen (other than watching videos).

2. Tiny trackpad. Having a 4x3 aspect ratio would also make the device longer, making room for a bigger trackpad.

3. Focus. Netbooks should focus on doing a few tasks well, instead of trying to do everything poorly. Since it's called a netbook, their primary focus should be on surfing the net.

The Asus Eee you own has 3 USB ports and an SD card reader. Why? How many things are you going to plug into a tiny netbook at once? There seems to be no thought put into these decisions. It's the "let's throw everything in and sell them as features" approach.

Cut out all the crap and make it as light and thin as possible. Netbooks are WAY too thick for their form factor (it has a 10" screen and thicker than all MB/MBPs).

4. Put in a better screen. It astounds me how little people care about the quality of their displays, considering it's what they're staring at the whole time. Most netbooks use $15 displays and even the higher resolution ones aren't better quality, they're just higher resolution.

In the end, you get what you pay for. A $300 netbook costs around $200 to make and MS gets $35 of that for licensing Windows. The real question is, why skimp on your computer? The cheapest car (in the US) is $10,000 and you need to pay for insurance, registration, etc. Most people spend an hour a day (maybe two) in their cars. I would guess that they spend much more time on their laptops. If you can justify spending that much on transportation, why skimp on something you use much more?
 
The HP Slate has leaked, and here's the opinion of people who got a little hands-on time with it:

Conecti.ca's posted up a full hands-on and mini-review. Their conclusion? "The official verdict is meh." Yeah, ouch. Apparently the Slate's biggest strength is also its greatest weakness -- it's essentially a touchscreen netbook, and that means that while it can run everything including Flash, it can be "slow and annoying."

http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/19/hp-slate-leaks-its-way-into-the-wild-meh/
 
In my opinion, netbooks should be complementary devices to your PC and not full on PCs.

Part of the flaw for them is the form factor. I like the way you can lounge with the iPad, whereas the netbook is basically a small laptop. The other thing is that whilst you can see flash sites, you don't really want to. iPlayer looks and runs awfully in any os on a netbook.

Another annoying thing is netbooks keyboards are a compromise. the keys are too small and also without a backlight, its taking a long time for me to type this out on my mini 9!
 
I didn't say netbooks are competing against the MBA. I said the only reason to choose one over it is price, and that price is the only advantage a netbook has.

Fair enough. I think there are other advantages as well: 1) form factor is still smaller (although a bit chunkier). Frankly I dont want to carry a 12 or 13" laptop. A 10" is all the size I want for portability. 2) Has all the ports accessible. MBA doesnt even have a accessible ethernet port! 3) Battery life. MBA gets 3 hours maybe. I can easily manage 6+ on my netbook. 4) Removable battery. I dont know why anyone would get a MBA over anything to be honest. A MBP is a much more useful MAC imo

Here are, in my opinions, big flaws of netbooks.

1. The aspect ratio. Netbooks should have a 4x3 aspect ratio and a 1024x768 resolution (which would give it 28% more vertical lines). For most computing tasks, vertical screen real estate is more important than horizontal. Widescreens are better for multi-tasking and having two windows side by side but serves no purpose on such a small screen (other than watching videos).
I agree the screen resolution could be better although I like widescreen but would rather have 1366x768 which is what most of the newer netbooks come with.

2. Tiny trackpad. Having a 4x3 aspect ratio would also make the device longer, making room for a bigger trackpad.
Track pad size could be increased width wise even with the same aspect ratio. some netbooks trackpads are aweful like an old acer aspire I had. Mine is ok, esp. since I use a bt mouse with it.

3. Focus. Netbooks should focus on doing a few tasks well, instead of trying to do everything poorly. Since it's called a netbook, their primary focus should be on surfing the net.

The Asus Eee you own has 3 USB ports and an SD card reader. Why? How many things are you going to plug into a tiny netbook at once? There seems to be no thought put into these decisions. It's the "let's throw everything in and sell them as features" approach.

Cut out all the crap and make it as light and thin as possible. Netbooks are WAY too thick for their form factor (it has a 10" screen and thicker than all MB/MBPs).
NoNoNoNo Netbooks should be capable of doing any task you want to do with them to a point (unless you are a graphics artists who wants to render in 3d). I use mine to surf, download pictures from my video cam, work on excel documents, sync my ipad :p while being tethered on my phone (2 usb connections used), remote vnc into home desktop (the workhorse), rip/copy dvds, IM, etc. I even play lotro on my netbook, although it doesnt have the horsepower for doing too much.I even watch video up to 720P resolution although after sometimes that gets a little rough.

4. Put in a better screen. It astounds me how little people care about the quality of their displays, considering it's what they're staring at the whole time. Most netbooks use $15 displays and even the higher resolution ones aren't better quality, they're just higher resolution.

In the end, you get what you pay for. A $300 netbook costs around $200 to make and MS gets $35 of that for licensing Windows. The real question is, why skimp on your computer? The cheapest car (in the US) is $10,000 and you need to pay for insurance, registration, etc. Most people spend an hour a day (maybe two) in their cars. I would guess that they spend much more time on their laptops. If you can justify spending that much on transportation, why skimp on something you use much more?

Screens fine. Its not as vibrant as a MBP screen but thats ok. The netbook is not my primary computer. I have a sweet dual mon win 7 machine at home. My question would be: why spend $1500 for what is essentially a travel laptop, especially when you dont do alot of traveling. If I have my netbook at work, I sometimes hook it up to one of my work monitors and run 1600x1200 with its included VGA port. Who cares if microsoft gets $35? Apple gets 1/2 of what you pay for the ipad (~250) and 30% of apps cost on top of that. They are worse than m$ft for nickel and diming their customers.

To each their own, but netbooks definitely have a place in my house, tho i suspect my ipad will supplant alot of my netbooks uses. We will see after the newness wears off.
 
I don't see why all the hate on netbooks. I don't have one myself... But i think they are great devices. Why bother comparing netbooks to ipads? Net books are half the price of an iPad. They are meant to be cheap alternative to laptops. And they do that VERY well.

True the internet experience is not as good...but it does a lot of things well at the price.

I think netbook are great devices. I think they load webpages faster than the iPad. But at the end of the day I like the iPad more. But if i could only pick one and i did not have a pc or laptop i would probably pick the netbook. The ipad requires something to connect to. With that said i won't enjoy owning a netbook nearly as much as owning an iPad.

To steviem..I Agee that netbooks should compliment a pc or laptop, but the best part about it is it is not NECESSARY.
 
Fair enough. I think there are other advantages as well: 1) form factor is still smaller (although a bit chunkier). Frankly I dont want to carry a 12 or 13" laptop. A 10" is all the size I want for portability.

Whats the difference in carrying a 13" laptop if it's the same weight and half as thick?

2) Has all the ports accessible. MBA doesnt even have a accessible ethernet port!

I think the lack of ports is a PRO, not a CON. I haven't used wired internet in years. The future is wireless. Until then, one USB port is enough.

3) Battery life. MBA gets 3 hours maybe. I can easily manage 6+ on my netbook. 4) Removable battery. I dont know why anyone would get a MBA over anything to be honest. A MBP is a much more useful MAC imo

True, battery life is not the MBA's strength (although you should definitely get 4+ hours). I don't see how a MBP is much more useful considering the MBA is about as fast as the entry model 13" MBP (before the refresh, of course)..

I agree the screen resolution could be better although I like widescreen but would rather have 1366x768 which is what most of the newer netbooks come with.

Even with an increase in resolution, I still think 4x3 is ideal on a 10" screen. Most of the time, you are scrolling down, not left to right, am I right? What do you think a widescreen is better for, except watching movies?

Track pad size could be increased width wise even with the same aspect ratio. some netbooks trackpads are aweful like an old acer aspire I had. Mine is ok, esp. since I use a bt mouse with it.

Again, most of the time, we are scrolling down.

NoNoNoNo Netbooks should be capable of doing any task you want to do with them to a point (unless you are a graphics artists who wants to render in 3d). I use mine to surf, download pictures from my video cam, work on excel documents, sync my ipad :p while being tethered on my phone (2 usb connections used), remote vnc into home desktop (the workhorse), rip/copy dvds, IM, etc. I even play lotro on my netbook, although it doesnt have the horsepower for doing too much.I even watch video up to 720P resolution although after sometimes that gets a little rough.

Ripping DVDs is slow on my desktop and I don't even do it on my MBA. Tethering your phone could be done wirelessly so there is no reason for an extra port. Everything else, the iPad can do just fine (using Numbers instead of Excel) so why the need for a netbook? I don't know what lotro is though.

I think a netbook should still do other things but keep the focus on making web browsing a more enjoyable experience. An iPad can do other things but Internet and media consumption is its priority and where it really excels.

Screens fine. Its not as vibrant as a MBP screen but thats ok. The netbook is not my primary computer. I have a sweet dual mon win 7 machine at home. My question would be: why spend $1500 for what is essentially a travel laptop, especially when you dont do alot of traveling.

It's still a $15 to, at the very most, $30 screen. If it looks okay to you, then fine. I don't think the MBA is just for traveling. It's a great around the house machine and the thin form factor makes it much more enjoyable than even a MBP for using on the couch or in bed.

Maybe we have different philosophies here but what you think are flaws, I think are pros. Any moving parts on a portable machine is not ideal. The MBA, with an SSD, no optical drive, only 1 USB port (which will be removed when we are able to go completely wireless), is perfect.

Of course, it is more expensive but my argument is that a netbook exists solely because of price. No product in Apple's line up exists because of price. Let's say everything in the Apple Store is priced at $1. There will still be buyers for a MB, MBP, MBA, Mac Mini, iMac, Mac Pro, iPad, iPhone, iPod Classic/Touch/Nano/Shuffle. They all serve different needs.

Let's say everything in the PC world is priced at $1. Would anyone still buy a netbook?
 
Whats the difference in carrying a 13" laptop if it's the same weight and half as thick?

Size. My netbook fits in bag perfectly whereas a MBA would not. THen there is the paranoia factor of actually lugging a MBA haphazardly like I am able to on my netbook.

I think the lack of ports is a PRO, not a CON. I haven't used wired internet in years. The future is wireless. Until then, one USB port is enough.
To each his own, but I use two out of 3 usb ports quite a bit, as well as the VGAout.

Even with an increase in resolution, I still think 4x3 is ideal on a 10" screen. Most of the time, you are scrolling down, not left to right, am I right? What do you think a widescreen is better for, except watching movies?
Would you rather have 1024x768 or 1366x768? I will take increased resolution almost always. Now with the ipad, I think 4x3 is a better form factor

Ripping DVDs is slow on my desktop and I don't even do it on my MBA. Tethering your phone could be done wirelessly so there is no reason for an extra port. Everything else, the iPad can do just fine (using Numbers instead of Excel) so why the need for a netbook? I don't know what lotro is though.

For fair disclosure, I dont rip alot of DVDs on my netbook. I do like tethering wired however for the added benefit of charging my cellphone battery while tethering. WiFi tethering is harder on a phone imo. LOTRO is like world of warcraft.

I think a netbook should still do other things but keep the focus on making web browsing a more enjoyable experience. An iPad can do other things but Internet and media consumption is its priority and where it really excels.

Agreed

It's still a $15 to, at the very most, $30 screen. If it looks okay to you, then fine. I don't think the MBA is just for traveling. It's a great around the house machine and the thin form factor makes it much more enjoyable than even a MBP for using on the couch or in bed.
Yes but the iPad is much better for the couch or in bed than a MBA or netbook.


Of course, it is more expensive but my argument is that a netbook exists solely because of price. No product in Apple's line up exists because of price. Let's say everything in the Apple Store is priced at $1. There will still be buyers for a MB, MBP, MBA, Mac Mini, iMac, Mac Pro, iPad, iPhone, iPod Classic/Touch/Nano/Shuffle. They all serve different needs.

Let's say everything in the PC world is priced at $1. Would anyone still buy a netbook?

Would anyone buy a shuffle? Or a macbook? Seems to me its all about the price. And the MBA is all about the price in another way :p Why buy a mackbook instead of a MBP? Price will always be a consideration of some sort. But yes, I suppose our philosophies differ, but seeing as I have a nice desktop, an ipad, and a great phone, the netbook fills a nice niche for me. Besides I can use the extra $$ for HDTVs, PS3s, XB360s, Squeezebox radios etc :)
 
after reading through these posts I gotta say there are some good points on both sides. But in the end it really all just comes down to what you want and need. I know for me it was an Ipad and I love it, but my dad for instance went with a netbook. He went that way because of the physical keyboard since he travels alot for work. Even though I do love my ipad I do know it has some limitations but for me it is better but for some one else it may be far worse.
 
Would anyone buy a shuffle? Or a macbook? Seems to me its all about the price. And the MBA is all about the price in another way :p Why buy a mackbook instead of a MBP? Price will always be a consideration of some sort. But yes, I suppose our philosophies differ, but seeing as I have a nice desktop, an ipad, and a great phone, the netbook fills a nice niche for me. Besides I can use the extra $$ for HDTVs, PS3s, XB360s, Squeezebox radios etc :)

I bought a shuffle and I already have an iPod. A shuffle is great for people who work out or run a lot. The added weight of a nano bouncing around makes running an annoyance (unless, I suppose, if you get one of those arm bands but I think they look silly).

Reason for getting a MB over MBP is largely aesthetic. Most women I know prefer the look of the white MB over the aluminum MBP. But I agree that the MB is the most redundant of everything in Apple's lineup.

A MBA is kind of like an iPad. You don't see the point in it until you use one and fall in love with it. If you have a nice desktop, an iPad, and a phone, why do you still need a netbook? You don't need anything else but at least a MBA offers something you don't have: a powerful and full-sized ultraportable laptop.
 
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